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  • nickey1952
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2004
    • 683

    #1

    Webmaster Access Amsterdam>?

    How is the show?
    Didn't go this year.
    Let us know.
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  • cyber_ninja
    Twerk That Ass
    • Jul 2001
    • 2197

    #2
    im sure it realy sucks

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    • nickey1952
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2004
      • 683

      #3
      it really sucked last year, content seminar was not held due to the moderator could not be found. he was too busy looking for weed i guess, he should of just come to los angeles and gone to the supermarket..
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      • SpeakEasy
        Confirmed User
        • Sep 2002
        • 2681

        #4
        Originally posted by nickey1952
        it really sucked last year, content seminar was not held due to the moderator could not be found. he was too busy looking for weed i guess, he should of just come to los angeles and gone to the supermarket..



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        • Evil Chris
          OG
          • Dec 2001
          • 13248

          #5
          I was wondering how the show was going too.

          Where is JFK and his advance pictures?


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          • ThumbLord
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2009
            • 1932

            #6
            it was a good show.
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            • billywatson
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2002
              • 3281

              #7
              Originally posted by ThumbLord
              it was a good show.
              Thumb Lord is being a bit kind, but, having met the man at this show, I know it's his nature.

              It was an OK show at best. A few panelists were late to speak on their own panel, no lights in the room while they were speaking, no pen / paper offered on tables during the seminars (Maybe I'm just used to Phoenix Forum?).

              However, I did meet a handful of good people -- Thumb Lord being one -- so hopefully some business will follow.

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              • ThumbLord
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2009
                • 1932

                #8
                thanks for the kind words mr. watson, so yes it was sort of OK.
                It was a pleasure to rescue you from either Danish Drunks and/or explaining the law on smoking outside and/or inside coffee shops
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                • Pornopat
                  AdultTubeSubmits.com
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 10598

                  #9
                  For me it was an excellent show.
                  Thumblord I have not recognised you. I know it has been like 5 years since we met and a lot of people look different now.
                  Last edited by Pornopat; 09-28-2009, 04:02 AM.
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                  • Matyko
                    PsyHead
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 8681

                    #10
                    it was nice... however i missed like half the people i wanted to meet finally, for example You Pornopat, and I was too wasted all the time, but next time I will do it smarter.. so see you all next year!
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                    • Pornopat
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                      • Dec 2003
                      • 10598

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Matyko
                      it was nice... however i missed like half the people i wanted to meet finally, for example You Pornopat, and I was too wasted all the time, but next time I will do it smarter.. so see you all next year!
                      yeah on sunday my buddy Kees came to get me to say hello to you but I was busy in a meeting. When I was finally done we could not find you anymore.
                      Sorry I missed you dude!
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                      • ThumbLord
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 1932

                        #12
                        well yes I did only meet half of the people on my list, you Pornpat was one of them, but heh there is always next years Show.
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                        • Matyko
                          PsyHead
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 8681

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Pornopat
                          yeah on sunday my buddy Kees came to get me to say hello to you but I was busy in a meeting. When I was finally done we could not find you anymore.
                          Sorry I missed you dude!
                          No worries Sir, next time!
                          I've heard you won Pornopoly - is this true? ))
                          I just a closer look to that game on Sunday, it had some funny event cards like 'hahaha bought your program, collect $200" :D
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                          • AdultEUhost
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                            • Oct 2005
                            • 2579

                            #14
                            I agree, it was a good show !
                            Saw and spoke to a lot of friends, customers and new people !
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                            • MaDalton
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                              • Feb 2004
                              • 39861

                              #15
                              just came home - i think it was a good show
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                              • spankmo
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                                • Jun 2009
                                • 177

                                #16
                                am sitting here wading through a ton of biz cards, paper, notes and whatever.. was a busy weekend for us. cheers

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                                • Sam Granger
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 3958

                                  #17
                                  Networking wise it was amazing, really enjoyed meeting Mike & Gerard from Webair, Lori, Jenni, ThumbLord, BillyWatson, notime, Claudio, Shaft and MaDalton to name a few. I'm still recovering from the partying and talking!

                                  The seminars were so-so, I did learn a few things but the business I managed to do there made up for it.

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                                  • ThumbLord
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2009
                                    • 1932

                                    #18
                                    it was very nice talking to you Sam and your dutch is almost better then mine
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                                    • notime
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 8025

                                      #19
                                      Show was really good in my opinion. I met many new people. It was good to see people again that I already know. Seminars had a few new interesting pieces of knowledge (or gave me ideas) next to the common well know same old same old and self promotion, which is ok, since people need to make money too

                                      But most of all it was great fun. Some moments I laughed so hard that tears were rolling over my cheeks (ask MaDalton about Carlos)...;) hehe
                                      When you spend some actual quality time with people, they open up and tell & ask much more then just a standard hand shake and a business card exchange.

                                      @Thumblord: Wow, what a story you told me about your visit in the US where you ended up in the hospital. Glad you're still here amongst the living!

                                      @Pornopat: I enjoyed our chat in the "LOUP" restaurant.

                                      @MaDalton: Carlos did something I would refer too as a "classic" hehe

                                      @Spankmo: I was sitting behind you in the mobile seminar and I saw you where getting really exited at some moments when the panel was talking about some details. At that moment I got a completely different opinion about you, which changed my wrong assesed prejudice I had before. The passion you have for mobile for SO radiant, it must be good! Good thing I have your card I'll contact you soon.

                                      @Sam; Good seeing you again my friend. Looking forward to start our potential business.

                                      For people having doubts the Amsterdam show, or any other show, I have a little secret to share:
                                      -Any show is as good as you make it yourself
                                      -Don't go to a show with result "expectations" or to get "hard orders/deals". Go open there with an open mind, just enjoy talking to people, gain knowlegde and have fun. The business results will follow automaticly after this show (or the next, or the one after that, etc.). It's about people. People make business, what ever the URL or business model is or wether it's big or small, old school or newbie.

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                                      • ThumbLord
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2009
                                        • 1932

                                        #20
                                        it was nice talking to you as well Jack will be in touch soon about some things
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                                        • Martin
                                          "Assassins"
                                          • Dec 2001
                                          • 17277

                                          #21
                                          Anybody get laid?

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                                          • notime
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 8025

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by ThumbLord
                                            it was nice talking to you as well Jack will be in touch soon about some things
                                            I'll be looking forward to that
                                            Thanks for quality time. It came straight from your heart, I could tell.
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                                            • Roald
                                              SecretFriends.com
                                              • May 2001
                                              • 27910

                                              #23
                                              I was actually a bit surprised it turned out this well!


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                                              • notime
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jun 2003
                                                • 8025

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Martin
                                                Anybody get laid?
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                                                • DamianJ
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                  • 15808

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Roald
                                                  I was actually a bit surprised it turned out this well!
                                                  Me too.

                                                  The turn out was much larger than I anticipated. The mix of people was good. Still too many billing companies. But, such is life! (NB Maybe make billers pay 4 times as much as the rest of us, like the 'talent' pass being cheaper).

                                                  I certainly made enough new deals to warrant going. Some great new members' areas upsells, some preferential treatment for some feeds and some new potential for me helping people with their email marketing.


                                                  It didn't rain, Barney's had a new strain, and my non-industry ladyfriend had a blast.

                                                  All good.

                                                  Thanks Eric and all for sorting it!

                                                  PS Any jazz fans *have* to check out the 'alto' club next year. Went last night and it was damn damn good. Oldest Jazz club in Amsterdam.

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                                                  • notime
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 8025

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                                    I was actually a bit surprised it turned out this well!
                                                    Just saw you in a flash Roald while you were in a busy meeting and I did not want to disturb you. Hope to speak to you next time or at the next show.

                                                    I agree the show was better then I expected.
                                                    Over 500 people were there and some Dutch guys from the industry would pop in here and there too on some days.
                                                    Last edited by notime; 09-28-2009, 11:45 AM.

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                                                    • Janh
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2006
                                                      • 332

                                                      #27
                                                      It was a great show.
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                                                      • ThumbLord
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2009
                                                        • 1932

                                                        #28
                                                        Hi Jan, have not spoken with you I think but got your card somehow, from Jack I think, but not sure, will be in touch but have to wade through tons of cards/ideas and stuff.
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                                                        • katharos
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                          • 1515

                                                          #29
                                                          i know it was boring as hell ... i drunked myself so much night before so i forgot to wake for my train ... i am sorry to all fans but lets make a party next year!

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                                                          • Tasty1
                                                            Bla bla blaa
                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                            • 9529

                                                            #30
                                                            Great show and a lot of interesting people.
                                                            I i've learned again by just talking and listening while drinking a beer.
                                                            And it is always fun talking and drinking with Jack till the morning.
                                                            Jan was to busy this time to spent a lot of time drinking, but Nicolas represented ero-advertising well.

                                                            It look liked a lot of people went to the Bananabar saturday, but the hotel bar was reopened after people came in at 3:00 Martin, i don't know if they get laid, but they must have had some fun.

                                                            Did PornoPat win the pornopoly game? I just read Hasbro has send an letter relating to copyrights to Lifestyle Amateurs?

                                                            Looking forward to Vegas.

                                                            everything is fake

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                                                            • Meeper
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2007
                                                              • 2642

                                                              #31
                                                              It was a great show for us!
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                                                              • Marie
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                                                                • May 2003
                                                                • 3024

                                                                #32
                                                                I enjoyed it, haven't spent a lot of time at the show though.
                                                                I met some interesting people so it was kind of a good show. I can see how you guys found it a little boring...
                                                                The pornopoly game was nice. Congratulations Pat!
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                                                                • Pornopat
                                                                  AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                  • 10598

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ThumbLord
                                                                  well yes I did only meet half of the people on my list, you Pornpat was one of them, but heh there is always next years Show.
                                                                  Next year we will set up a meeting ahead.

                                                                  Originally posted by Matyko
                                                                  No worries Sir, next time!
                                                                  I've heard you won Pornopoly - is this true? ))
                                                                  I just a closer look to that game on Sunday, it had some funny event cards like 'hahaha bought your program, collect $200" :D
                                                                  Yeah I won the finals Oystein won the first round on my table but he could not play the finals. We decided to let me play and split the money if I won.

                                                                  Originally posted by notime
                                                                  @Pornopat: I enjoyed our chat in the "LOUP" restaurant.
                                                                  Its always nice to hear other people feel the same way about some stuff.

                                                                  Originally posted by airholland
                                                                  Did PornoPat win the pornopoly game? I just read Hasbro has send an letter relating to copyrights to Lifestyle Amateurs?
                                                                  Yes I did and yes Lifestyle amateurs did get a letter like this. They reached a settlement very fast and Lifestyle Amateurs now has the official right to Pornopoly....

                                                                  Originally posted by Marie
                                                                  The pornopoly game was nice. Congratulations Pat!
                                                                  Thanks again for your honesty on the other table. I was looking for you to buy you lots of beer but did not find you. Next time though..
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                                                                  • onlytease
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                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                    • 1553

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Was a good show and very enjoyable
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                                                                    • baddog
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 107089

                                                                      #35
                                                                      We thought it was a good show. It was pretty obvious that lots of business was being done.

                                                                      Did not go to the seminars, so can't speak for that.

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                                                                      • Mrs F.U.B.A.R.
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 627

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                        I was wondering how the show was going too.

                                                                        Where is JFK and his advance pictures?
                                                                        his internet connection sucked so he was unable to upload pics
                                                                        however he comes home tomorrow from Munich and we will be able to get to work on the pics then... and see what was missed by those of us that weren't there
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                                                                        • Jeppe
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 951

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Great show for us - we got a lot of new ideas and potential deals set up. Best show for us so far.

                                                                          Originally posted by Pornopat
                                                                          Yes I did and yes Lifestyle amateurs did get a letter like this. They reached a settlement very fast and Lifestyle Amateurs now has the official right to Pornopoly....
                                                                          Congrats on the win!

                                                                          We did in fact receive a C&D letter from Hasbro, but negotiated a deal where we could do the tournament as a one-off event, and there's not going to be one next year, that's for sure. So to the guys who got one of boards; hang on to it
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                                                                          • SZNY
                                                                            SZNY
                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                            • 2800

                                                                            #38
                                                                            It was a great show, was good to meet new people and having some good talk with industry friends. Actually I was surprised that it was so more busy compared with previous years and that everyone is open minded to do business.

                                                                            Too bad I was there only 1.5 days but also needed to see my family and kids after a long time. Now I'm back in Czech Republic but kinda miss Amsterdam already.
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                                                                            • Exoclick
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Feb 2007
                                                                              • 265

                                                                              #39
                                                                              We had a great show. We met a lot of people, exchanged a lot of business cards and good conversations. Now the hard part is to do the follow ups.

                                                                              @Spankmo : I must agree with Jack, I saw you really wanted to get a microphone You should be a speaker next time. See you soon in Castefa!

                                                                              @Maria : Next time be more at the show, except for the 69Cash girls, it was too many guys and not enough girls around. But I guess that's always like that.

                                                                              The best for me :

                                                                              * The Speed networking sessions and networking in general.
                                                                              * Some of the conferences.
                                                                              * All the Belgian beer I drunk! I was so missing it.
                                                                              * 3 sunny days in Amsterdam, it's a really nice city.
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                                                                              • Jman
                                                                                Already an AI veteran
                                                                                • Sep 2003
                                                                                • 22838

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                We thought it was a good show. It was pretty obvious that lots of business was being done.

                                                                                Did not go to the seminars, so can't speak for that.
                                                                                I will second this. Hotel lobby was the place to have a beer, chat and get some business done.

                                                                                ROI is obvious on this event.

                                                                                Congrats to Eric and his team for putting out a fantastic show.
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                                                                                • Janh
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                                  • 332

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by ThumbLord
                                                                                  Hi Jan, have not spoken with you I think but got your card somehow, from Jack I think, but not sure, will be in touch but have to wade through tons of cards/ideas and stuff.
                                                                                  Uff... yeh i was very busy those days

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                                                                                  • ThumbLord
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jan 2009
                                                                                    • 1932

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I will asap, have to go through a lot of stuff and heh I am a one man/person operation so please give me some slack.
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                                                                                    • Miz_Wright
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                                                                                      • Jul 2007
                                                                                      • 593

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Incredible show for us - I didn't make it to any of the panels/ seminars 'cos I was too busy meeting new folks and working out new business.

                                                                                      Janh, I'm going to hit you up soon to follow up on the conversation I had with Jack
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                                                                                      • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                        • 9555

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        After I went back I slept for about 16 hours, now trying to follow up with everything.

                                                                                        Very glad to meet you Thumblords, Sam, who are in this thread.

                                                                                        Many Thanks to you Jack and Jan for all the hospitality on Sunday.

                                                                                        Excuse to those I just forgot to mention.

                                                                                        Wish I was in better shape, had close to no sleep the night before I arrived.

                                                                                        I'm very positive about the show anyway.
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                                                                                        • Ivor CashInEnvelope
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                                                                                          • Jul 2009
                                                                                          • 35

                                                                                          #45
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                                                                                          • ThumbLord
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                                                                                            • Jan 2009
                                                                                            • 1932

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            it was very nice to finally meet you Carlos, did send an e-mail for the follow up and will be on ICQ today or tomorrow to get the details worked out.
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                                                                                            • Filthy Dan
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • Sep 2009
                                                                                              • 34

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Well how nice, Lot`s of people that i have spoken are in this thread. Thumblord, it was nice meeting you, hope you enjoyed the ride home. Yep i found my way back. Sam Granger howdy! LizAEBN, do you remember my name? Nope i`m not Mathew ;) Notime, do i remember you as Jacques or Jack?

                                                                                              For now, i`m gonna check out GFY since i`m still a n00b inhere (and in a way i love it)
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                                                                                              • ThumbLord
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jan 2009
                                                                                                • 1932

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                nice talking to you too Filthy Dan, thanks again for the ride back home and glad you found the way back to civilazation.
                                                                                                And yes Liz he is not Mathew.
                                                                                                have fun on the board and GFY !
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                                                                                                • ThumbLord
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2009
                                                                                                  • 1932

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  btw Dan your sign is too big, 120x60 will have to do
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                                                                                                  • Tasty1
                                                                                                    Bla bla blaa
                                                                                                    • Jan 2005
                                                                                                    • 9529

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Filthy Dan
                                                                                                    Well how nice, Lot`s of people that i have spoken are in this thread. Thumblord, it was nice meeting you, hope you enjoyed the ride home. Yep i found my way back. Sam Granger howdy! LizAEBN, do you remember my name? Nope i`m not Mathew ;) Notime, do i remember you as Jacques or Jack?

                                                                                                    For now, i`m gonna check out GFY since i`m still a n00b inhere (and in a way i love it)
                                                                                                    See ya!
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                                                                                                    everything is fake

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