Question 4 Content Producers

[Barefootsies]

I have seen a few of these deals now. I always wonder what goes through the Markham (and others) heads when you see exclusive content being shot for $100.00?

I imagine in my mind Markham doing 360's and magazine's flying all over the room in disgust.

While I could shoot single girl, 6-8 sets, for $250.00/350.00 (clothed/nude). There is no way I would be doing it exclusive for that!

I saw riggo was just using it as a way to get his name out there, and kind of a promo price. But for the serious content producers shooting in HD, and doing some high quality work. I imagine it must make it tough, brutal, or next to impossible to compete.

Thoughts?

[MaDalton]

i already told him what i think about it - but after 6 years i have learned that 95% of those people disappear after a while and leave unhappy clients behind that sent money but did not receive what they ordered. while we are still here.

[DWB]

It makes my head hurt.

I wouldn't sell exclusive hardcore scenes for anything less than $2000. Probably closer to $3000 if they wanted something hard to get like bareback-creampie-asian-shemales-fucked by white men.

I keep high prices and have been working non-stop for years with my only down time chosen by me.

With that said, shooting general porn or non-niched content... I wouldn't even try. I focus on hard to get content and it pays off. Selling something for $100 is insulting.

[San]

Paul Markham is like 90 years old and will be dead from cancer in a couple months. Do you think he could care less?

[Paul Markham]

Paul Markham is like 90 years old and will be dead from cancer in a couple months. Do you think he could care less?

Fuck off idiot.

If you were joking I apologise, I will beat the cancer and we never shoot a girl for less than $400 a set. Can make that easy. Why do some shooters shoot for this price? Because they can't get more, because their work is not good enough. That's obvious.

I do care that this business has sunk so low some guys are selling for that price and worse still some are buying for it. I'm sure sites full of $100 scenes will stop people from migrating to Tubes.

But it exposes the years of lies that we told ourselves. Non exclusive is saturated. Absolute bull shit. If it were saturated there would be 100s of non exclusive shooters shooting content sites could put up every day at an affordable price.

Why so many believed the lie is the real problem. Shows the business brain of most of them.

[MaDalton]

Fuck off idiot.

If you were joking I apologise, I will beat the cancer and we never shoot a girl for less than $400 a set. Can make that easy. Why do some shooters shoot for this price? Because they can't get more, because their work is not good enough. That's obvious.

I do care that this business has sunk so low some guys are selling for that price and worse still some are buying for it. I'm sure sites full of $100 scenes will stop people from migrating to Tubes.

But it exposes the years of lies that we told ourselves. Non exclusive is saturated. Absolute bull shit. If it were saturated there would be 100s of non exclusive shooters shooting content sites could put up every day at an affordable price.

Why so many believed the lie is the real problem. Shows the business brain of most of them.

don't mind him, he's Dark Jedi

[Grapesoda]

I have seen a few of these deals now. I always wonder what goes through the Markham (and others) heads when you see exclusive content being shot for $100.00?

I imagine in my mind Markham doing 360's and magazine's flying all over the room in disgust.

While I could shoot single girl, 6-8 sets, for $250.00/350.00 (clothed/nude). There is no way I would be doing it exclusive for that!

I saw riggo was just using it as a way to get his name out there, and kind of a promo price. But for the serious content producers shooting in HD, and doing some high quality work. I imagine it must make it tough, brutal, or next to impossible to compete.

Thoughts?

a good majority of the programs that go for those deals get ripped off to be honest about it. producing content is difficult. producing quality content consistently over a period of time is very very difficult. posting on GFY or putting up a website with some pics, and vid clip is very very easy. $.02

[Grapesoda]

i already told him what i think about it - but after 6 years i have learned that 95% of those people disappear after a while and leave unhappy clients behind that sent money but did not receive what they ordered. while we are still here.

words of wisdom from the new guy

[Grapesoda]

It makes my head hurt.

I wouldn't sell exclusive hardcore scenes for anything less than $2000. Probably closer to $3000 if they wanted something hard to get like bareback-creampie-asian-shemales-fucked by white men.

I keep high prices and have been working non-stop for years with my only down time chosen by me.

With that said, shooting general porn or non-niched content... I wouldn't even try. I focus on hard to get content and it pays off. Selling something for $100 is insulting.

how much for a white guy blowing a twink POV in a car parked on van nuys blvd at 3am?

[MaDalton]

words of wisdom from the new guy

i must be one of those 5% ;)

but we never thought about shooting for that price at any time - not even as total noobs

[Jim_Gunn]

Someone shooting amateur videos- exclusive or non-exclusive- for a pittance isn't any competition for my services. My clients are mostly big programs & porn companies that want really specific things- top quality scenes, shot in HD, brand new female talent, big dicked porn studs who know how to fuck, great makeup, nice locations, excellent still photography, a specific scenario acted out and all the other elements that go with that.

[Paul Markham]

don't mind him, he's Dark Jedi

Who was also an idiot. But no worries I can take it. The cancer is beaten and all that's needed is radiation to completely clear it. And then a long holiday to convalesce. Will then get back to shooting saturated non exclusive content. Because obviously surfers sign up to the site with it, sponsors keep buying and we make a decent profit.

We would not shoot girls for this price for exclusive and get people all the time asking for a deal on exclusive that's simply not worth bothering with. The last one was an ex whale, who used to send us a ton of sign ups, and it shows how this business has plummeted.

He wants us to shoot a couple of girls on a continual commission deal. Everyone gets paid if the site make money, if it does not I suppose he leaves us high and dry and we will still have to pay the model if we wnat to keep our reputation. I don't think he can afford to pay for the content up front and wants everyone to work on a promise.

And I suppose that's the situation of these guys selling and buying for these prices. The shooters can't get more and the buyers can't afford decent content. So affiliates look long and hard at those buying. Can they afford $500 a scene, do they know the difference between good and bad content and do the people signing up?

Cue all the flamers to come in and tell me how good these guys are and how great the sites work.

[Barefootsies]

Great feedback guys!

This thread is not about bashing riggo, or Paul, or these others who can shoot so low and offer it for an insanely low price exclusive. I was simply curious what the Dallton's, Bradley's, Markham's and Gunn's (among others) content guys thought about such things in today's economy and adult industry. I like to see the remarks of some of the industry leaders of content production and their views.

[SilentKnight]

Paul Markham is like 90 years old and will be dead from cancer in a couple months. Do you think he could care less?

A lot of GFYers will smile and celebrate the day your sorry trolling ass is banned.

[Tat2Jr]

Paul Markham is like 90 years old and will be dead from cancer in a couple months. Do you think he could care less?

Wow... karma is gonna be a bitch when she finally catches up to you.

[SilentKnight]

I have seen a few of these deals now. I always wonder what goes through the Markham (and others) heads when you see exclusive content being shot for $100.00?

I imagine in my mind Markham doing 360's and magazine's flying all over the room in disgust.

While I could shoot single girl, 6-8 sets, for $250.00/350.00 (clothed/nude). There is no way I would be doing it exclusive for that!

I saw riggo was just using it as a way to get his name out there, and kind of a promo price. But for the serious content producers shooting in HD, and doing some high quality work. I imagine it must make it tough, brutal, or next to impossible to compete.

Thoughts?

It's like discount wedding photographers. Anyone can find someone in the yellow pages that'll do a wedding for $500 bucks. But chances are high the pics will be sub-standard and the client unhappy. It's a bull and bear market.

Brings to mind the phrase - 'guy with camera'.

[Nikki_Licks]

Paul Markham is like 90 years old and will be dead from cancer in a couple months. Do you think he could care less?

Not funny at all. You're an asshole

[Tat2Jr]

Oh... and more on topic - I dunno why anyone would get into the content selling game, let alone the cheap route. I'd rather keep my content for myself and work the hell out of it for much more money then I could make selling it once to a webmaster.

BTW - This doesn't mean I want you to stop selling your content barefooties... I've got big plans for it!

[Nikki_Licks]

I have seen a few of these deals now. I always wonder what goes through the Markham (and others) heads when you see exclusive content being shot for $100.00?

I imagine in my mind Markham doing 360's and magazine's flying all over the room in disgust.

While I could shoot single girl, 6-8 sets, for $250.00/350.00 (clothed/nude). There is no way I would be doing it exclusive for that!

I saw riggo was just using it as a way to get his name out there, and kind of a promo price. But for the serious content producers shooting in HD, and doing some high quality work. I imagine it must make it tough, brutal, or next to impossible to compete.

Thoughts?

I have been pondering this myself. Hell, I could not even get ready to set up for a 100 bucks...so to speak.

Has anyone ever purchased any of this content to see what they are getting for a 100 bucks?

[Barefootsies]

Oh... and more on topic - I dunno why anyone would get into the content selling game, let alone the cheap route. I'd rather keep my content for myself and work the hell out of it for much more money then I could make selling it once to a webmaster.

BTW - This doesn't mean I want you to stop selling your content barefooties... I've got big plans for it!

[Tat2Jr]

......I'd rather keep my content for myself and work the hell out of it for much more money then I could make selling it once to a webmaster.

Having said that... I have to spend a lot more time in front of the computer then behind the lens. With my MS I can't shoot more then a few times a month anymore, so I'm glad I went that route now.

[DWB]

how much for a white guy blowing a twink POV in a car parked on van nuys blvd at 3am?

Well, I don't shoot in the USA as there are too many of you who do it better than I do, so I stick to shit hole countries where nobody else dares to go.

Buuuuut.... for you, I would shoot that scene for free the next time I'm in town.

[Barefootsies]

I have been pondering this myself. Hell, I could not even get ready to set up for a 100 bucks...so to speak.

Has anyone ever purchased any of this content to see what they are getting for a 100 bucks?

I know a couple of guys who've chimed in some of the riggo threads. Apparently they are happy with the results. But they also are needing fairly simple content.

[Barefootsies]

Well, I don't shoot in the USA as there are too many of you who do it better than I do, so I stick to shit hole countries where nobody else dares to go.

Buuuuut.... for you, I would shoot that scene for free the next time I'm in town.

[billywatson]

Am I missing something here, or has no one mentioned they're not really exclusive at low prices. Sure, the content producer might be telling you they are...then he's selling them 20 times over.

[JP-pornshooter]

people will go cheap to get their foot in.. like any other business, you buy market share.
many of the programs have trouble with their shooters, inconsistent content, missing paperwork, poorly organized etc so they value their long term producers.
shooting content is not like having a job, it is like having a business and many people have no clue what it takes..

[amacontent]

not funny at all. You're an asshole

what he said !!!

[Barefootsies]

people will go cheap to get their foot in.. like any other business, you buy market share.
many of the programs have trouble with their shooters, inconsistent content, missing paperwork, poorly organized etc so they value their long term producers.
shooting content is not like having a job, it is like having a business and many people have no clue what it takes..

[sinclair]

...and never underestimate the "free booty" factor. I don't think it applies much to the $100 offers in question cause you still have to pay the model. But I have a few local "competitors" that will shoot at ridiculously low prices just so they can be in the scene and get the "free booty".

Others have put it spot on, consistent work at a level of quality that is acceptable to the buyer is the name of the game. The $100 shooters will not be around long enough to fit that bill.

Sinclair

[Jay-Rock]

When I started shooting 3 years ago I shot for $100 a set but the clients ordered 100 sets for complete solo sites.

Those clients also paid for models/locations/clothing

Thats 10k for me and 10k for the model (and the model usually got 2k worth of clothes for the shoots).

We shot it all in about 15-20 days. That is pretty decnt pay.


Now I shoot for big companies like met-art and onlytease that pay even more per set. They don't order 100 sets at a time unfortunately or I would be doing much better.

Mainstream guys are getting paid $500 to shoot video or stills. If I can't make more then that in profit each time I shoot then I just don't shoot.

Just recently a big company hired me on board to begin shooting for their program. They agreed to my rate but then after had models picked out for shoots tried to lower my rate to $400 a day for shooting video and stills. I do like shooting hardcore, but I can make 3 X what they are offering shooting for my current clients. I have seen guys that will shoot for almost nothing for these companies, but their shit comes out looking subpar every time.