Any Mason here?

[million]

Just wondering

[The Ghost]

[Blackamooka]

Masons are dorks.

[Supz]

[Agent 488]

yes how can i help you?

[Mutt]

no, but i am a Stone Cutter - don't repeat that pls

[CunningStunt]

I'm a stonecutter.

[million]

haha I guess not :P

[Nismo]

I am in the No Homers club.

[CaptainHowdy]

I'm hansom...

[Dollarmansteve]

Bo don't know diddly.

[JFK]

Bo don't know diddly.

long time no see

[fatfoo]

no, but i am a Stone Cutter - don't repeat that pls

Ha ha ha ha ha

P.S. I am not a Mason.

[CIVMatt]

Yes, there are a couple of us here

[brassmonkey]

yes may the force be with you day and night

[xxxdesign-net]

It's secret, but watch for secret handshakes at shows

[2012]

I'm the Grand Poobah bitches, what up ?

[NS_Gorilla]

yes I am..we are every where...

[CIVMatt]

It's secret, but watch for secret handshakes at shows

Who told you about the secret handshakes at shows?

[Martin]

There is a Lodge around where my brother lives. It's amazing how well protected that are is too. Cops everywhere.

[xxxdesign-net]

Who told you about the secret handshakes at shows?

secret

[PornoStar69]

[Fletch XXX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic...iracy_theories

[PornoStar69]

[Twistys Tim]

I do not think that either of them are Masons. Catholics are not allowed to join Masonic orders.

[Fletch XXX]

whats funny is how they do this stuff:

Candidates for regular Freemasonry are required to declare a belief in a Supreme Being.

So they wont even welcome atheists like me, just another weird religious cult to keep the already enslaved god fearing folks thinking they are "free"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

[NS_Gorilla]

I do not think that either of them are Masons. Catholics are not allowed to join Masonic orders.

Its not the Masons that stop Catholics from joining but the Catholic Church by telling their parishioners that if they join the Masons that they will burn in hell and be excommunicated.

[Dollarmansteve]

whats funny is how they do this stuff:

Candidates for regular Freemasonry are required to declare a belief in a Supreme Being.

So they wont even welcome atheists like me, just another weird religious cult to keep the already enslaved god fearing folks thinking they are "free"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

Masonry excludes no man based on their private, individual beliefs. To assume that "supreme being" is an exclusive term implying one must believe in God / a god or gods (ie a religious deity) is presumptive and narrow minded. Ignorance breeds fear and contempt.

Humility is a requirement however, you must check your arrogance at the door.

[Fletch XXX]

Sorry, it is my opinion that any group that demands, requires, anyone to declare belief and inferiority to a god is going to do more harm to mankind than propel us forward.

And what you post is incorrect, by being an atheist, I am definitely not allowed in the group.

I firmly believe the religious do our world, and hiumanity more harm than good. So lumping yourselves together in a group and declaring your inferiority to a god equates with a weakness of not only the mind, but of the will, and in my line of reasoning, the will is everything.

As though wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Man is the only god. The Ubermensch is you, not some god.

[NS_Gorilla]

Masonry excludes no man based on their private, individual beliefs. To assume that "supreme being" is an exclusive term implying one must believe in God / a god or gods (ie a religious deity) is presumptive and narrow minded. Ignorance breeds fear and contempt.

Humility is a requirement however, you must check your arrogance at the door.

Well put..

[Twistys Tim]

Its not the Masons that stop Catholics from joining but the Catholic Church by telling their parishioners that if they join the Masons that they will burn in hell and be excommunicated.

I may be wrong, but in the UK unless you are a white Anglo Saxon protestant (and being a policeman helps) then you are not allowed to join the Masons. This means no blacks, jews, Catholics, Asians, etc. etc. etc. etc.

[CIVMatt]

I do not think that either of them are Masons. Catholics are not allowed to join Masonic orders.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[Fletch XXX]

I may be wrong, but in the UK unless you are a white Anglo Saxon protestant (and being a policeman helps) then you are not allowed to join the Masons. This means no blacks, jews, Catholics, Asians, etc. etc. etc. etc.

yes, one of the old requirements was to be "born free" meaning, no slaves, translation "no blacks"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

requirements listed on wiki

[GrouchyAdmin]

No, Mason is at TrafficGigolos.

[CIVMatt]

yes, one of the old requirements was to be "born free" meaning, no slaves, translation "no blacks"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

requirements listed on wiki

lol, that's not quite right either

[Dollarmansteve]

Sorry, it is my opinion that any group that demands, requires, anyone to declare belief and inferiority to a god is going to do more harm to mankind than propel us forward.

And what you post is incorrect, by being an atheist, I am definitely not allowed in the group.

I firmly believe the religious do our world, and hiumanity more harm than good. So lumping yourselves together in a group and declaring your inferiority to a god equates with a weakness of not only the mind, but of the will, and in my line of reasoning, the will is everything.

As though wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Atheism is one of 2 things

a) anti-theism
b) the rejection of the belief in religious deities

Since Masonry is completely secular, you are incorrect in assuming that "supreme being" implies a religious deity. But hey, Wikipedia is the final authority on everything, right?

[Fletch XXX]

I am anti-theistic more often than not. Which means I could NEVER, bow to a god, never declare my inferiority to one. This belief has made my Will as strong as an oak in the face of those who choose weakness and inferiority over being the Overman.

[NS_Gorilla]

I may be wrong, but in the UK unless you are a white Anglo Saxon protestant (and being a policeman helps) then you are not allowed to join the Masons. This means no blacks, jews, Catholics, Asians, etc. etc. etc. etc.

That may be true in the UK where most are Ancient, Free & Accepted Freemasons, but here in the states we are mostly Free and Accepted Masons (there are a few states that are Ancient, Free & Accepted Freemasons) we allow all races and creeds in to our fraternity.

[Fletch XXX]

Since Masonry is completely secular, you are incorrect in assuming that "supreme being" implies a religious deity. But hey, Wikipedia is the final authority on everything, right?

You seem to prefer to discredit wiki and ignore your own groups requirements to justify your position.

I am simply stating mine.

The requirements are clearly posted and declaring belief in supreme being is the main one lol Since I could never declare such a thing, puts me at odds with the lodge masters.

No gods, no managers.

[Twistys Tim]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard

It may be the dumbest thing you have ever heard, but you have to consider the source

The Vatican ruling on masonic membership

[Fletch XXX]

It may be the dumbest thing you have ever heard, but you have to consider the source

The Vatican ruling on masonic membership

nice, ive been infatuated with religon since Catholic school. Its more interesting than politics and sports combined!!

"The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion."

My first act of actvism was not standing when priest entered class, he asked why I didnt, I said, why should I?" I was reprimanded at second grade for not bowing to a priest and I wont bow to a god.

I do not mean to offend, but I state my position with clarity and firmly.

[xxxdesign-net]

Since Masonry is completely secular, you are incorrect in assuming that "supreme being" implies a religious deity.

what is your definition of "supreme being" then ?

Who is the grand architect ?

[Dollarmansteve]

You seem to prefer to discredit wiki and ignore your own groups requirements to justify your position.

I am simply stating mine.

The requirements are clearly posted and declaring belief in supreme being is the main one lol Since I could never declare such a thing, puts me at odds with the lodge masters.

No gods, no managers.

There isn't really a 'position' that is open for debate. Your 'position' is baseless and incorrect. For example, your belief in the "will" of man constitutes a belief in a supreme being, even if that supreme being resides inside ones self. You choose to get bogged down in sematics. Masonry is non-exclusive and nothing about masonry conflicts with a man's personal beliefs. That is the last I will say about it.

[Smiley]

again, its the Catholic church saying you cant join, not the Masons saying you cant be Catholic...

Catholics need everyone to believe in their one god...

my sig says it all...BUT i would trust and believe in a Mason way more than ANY religion nut out there....Religion feeds off fear to the followers....Masons are way more business minded and they may have some laws that you dont have to agree upon, but to group Masons as religious, wrong...

what wrong with saying if your in a club that you have to pledge your loyalty to the group...it was for the masonary secrets oh so long ago....and go to any fraternity in a college, youre pledging your loyalty to that frat house....

[Dollarmansteve]

what is your definition of "supreme being" then ?

Who is the grand architect ?

"Grand Architect" is not a term that is used in masonry, but I understand what you're asking.

Unlike dogmatic religion, masonry specifically promotes the freedom of the mind. It's specific purpose is to promote philosophical thought on existence, values, "morals", personal choices, etc..

[Twistys Tim]

Since Masonry is completely secular, you are incorrect in assuming that "supreme being" implies a religious deity. But hey, Wikipedia is the final authority on everything, right?

Masons in the UK pledge an allegiance to the Queen of England (who is the head of the Church of England) and regularly as part of ceremony recite the Lords Prayer. How is this secular...?

[Fletch XXX]

For example, your belief in the "will" of man constitutes a belief in a supreme being,

lol I wont even continue here.

that is hilarious. god is dead, you are very misinformed, you can start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Übermensch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

[NS_Gorilla]

There isn't really a 'position' that is open for debate. Your 'position' is baseless and incorrect. For example, your belief in the "will" of man constitutes a belief in a supreme being, even if that supreme being resides inside ones self. You choose to get bogged down in sematics. Masonry is non-exclusive and nothing about masonry conflicts with a man's personal beliefs. That is the last I will say about it.

I have to agree with you. And all these misconceptions about Masonry is what fuels the flames of ignorance. Every one is stuck on the whole "Supreme Being" and think that Masonry is about Religion..it is not. Because of the internet and ex-members who joind the Masons in hope of learning the "secrets" (thanks to National Treasure) You will never understand what is to be a Mason or what Masons do for the community where their Lodges are or the money that is raised for charities they support. I am proud to be a Mason And A Scottish Rite Mason.

[Dollarmansteve]

Masons in the UK pledge an allegiance to the Queen of England (who is the head of the Church of England) and regularly as part of ceremony recite the Lords Prayer. How is this secular...?

Each grand lodge has it's own by-laws - but the central tenets of masonry are secular.

[CIVMatt]

Most Masons are Catholic

Religion is usually not allow to even be discussed anywhere in a lodge/temple/whatever and if you do get into a god battle you'll probably be asked to leave.

Quite honestly NS_Gorilla is 100% right and it's usually a pretty good clue someone has no idea what they are talking about when they bring up god and masons