Blair starts facing problems

[Theo]

Tony Blair has suffered another ministerial resignation as he prepares to ask MPs to back "all means necessary" to deal with Iraq. Health Minister Lord Hunt follows in the wake of cabinet minister Robin Cook, who quit on Monday because he objected to military action being taken against Iraq without a fresh UN mandate.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2859189.stm


and in anytime today he is about to lose a 2nd minister.

A contradiction is that the % of the citizens that are not against the war increased the last two days. I don't know how accurate is this, but it makes some sense. People tend to support their govt's final decision in such major issues even if they don't agree with it.

[sacX]

That speech by Robin Cook was on the money!

[eRock]

Blair's a good man...he's not backing down to his beliefs weather it's destroying his career or not. That's a man you can trust.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by eRock
Blair's a good man...he's not backing down to his beliefs weather it's destroying his career or not. That's a man you can trust.

Some people call that:

- blindness
- stupidity
- pride
and some other:

- friendship....

Blair will be gone by the end of spring. He will be working for a petrolium consortium pumping the oil of Iraq for it's masters.

[rooster]

yea a better strategy would be to appease a murderous dictator.



"Blair will be gone by the end of spring."

Maybe they will replace him with a guy like chirac or schroeder that are openly anti-american. Thats what you want isnt it.

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by eRock
Blair's a good man...he's not backing down to his beliefs weather it's destroying his career or not. That's a man you can trust.

A good leader, is someone you do not want to lose. Unless these imbeciles running all of our governments actually do something great in Iraq, they will end up losers in any of their upcoming elections (popularity polls for all major players, are at all time lows).

[eRock]

Originally posted by Juggernaut


A good leader, is someone you do not want to lose. Unless these imbeciles running all of our governments actually do something great in Iraq, they will end up losers in any of their upcoming elections (popularity polls for all major players, are at all time lows).

You're prob'ly right, but like they say...No guts, no glory.

[Theo]

before the elections in England, Blair promised the return of Elginian marbles from the british museum to Greece. When he became prime minister he didn't keep his promise. I have many friends studying in England and the feedback i'm getting is that pretty much he fucked a lot the economy. Of course the recession is not only UK's phenomenon.

His position regarding the war is not a surprise. England takes part in every war, nothing new here, but I have a feeling that the current dissatisfaction of the english people with Blair is not mainly due to war. It's a more general dissatisfaction.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by rooster
yea a better strategy would be to appease a murderous dictator.



"Blair will be gone by the end of spring."

Maybe they will replace him with a guy like chirac or schroeder that are openly anti-american. Thats what you want isnt it.

Nope. I am not anti -american ( I just came back from Florida last Sunday) . I like the americans, they are in normal conditions very friendly and straight forward.

I am anti-war when there is still a resoluition possible with negociation, I am anti-lie, the ones BUSH spreads without ANY evidence ( again tonight, claiming that IRAQ was involved in Al-Quaida and 9/11 = this guy should write movies for Hollywood).

I am anti-fear, the fear inflicted on the US population to get them to follow blindly their " leaders"...

That's what I am against ....

[Theo]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Nope. I am not anti -american ( I just came back from Florida last Sunday) . I like the americans, they are in normal conditions very friendly and straight forward.

my friend here if you don't agree with an american you are antiamerican. Common practise.

[Joe Sixpack]

Non-conformist = anti-American.

[eRock]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Nope. I am not anti -american ( I just came back from Florida last Sunday) . I like the americans, they are in normal conditions very friendly and straight forward.

I am anti-war when there is still a resoluition possible with negociation, I am anti-lie, the ones BUSH spreads without ANY evidence ( again tonight, claiming that IRAQ was involved in Al-Quaida and 9/11 = this guy should write movies for Hollywood).

I am anti-fear, the fear inflicted on the US population to get them to follow blindly their " leaders"...

That's what I am against ....

Well, you don't have to worry about it then, do you? You're not an American...problem solved.

[eRock]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Non-conformist = anti-American.

No...bashing America(ns) = anti-American

[NetRodent]

Originally posted by rooster
yea a better strategy would be to appease a murderous dictator.



"Blair will be gone by the end of spring."

Maybe they will replace him with a guy like chirac or schroeder that are openly anti-american. Thats what you want isnt it.

Chamberlain was a pretty popular guy if I recall. His appeasement policy worked wonders.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel



my friend here if you don't agree with an american you are antiamerican. Common practise.

Ya, and I really find this annoying ... It wasn't like that before that chimp stoler the elections. ( Bombs away!!!).

I really think that the US are on their way down. Both political parties ( Rep - Dem) don't budge , a real standoff, no xcollaboration.

The Political future ( or worst, present) of the US is not gleaming. Neither party has any personna that can give back the lustre to that country.

Maybe eventually Hilary Clinton, but I am not that conviced.

Anyway, I still like americans and we can see that they are torn by this situation, to the point that if you don't side with BUSH, you are a traitor.


Sad, very sad

[Matt_WildCash]

Originally posted by eRock
Blair's a good man...he's not backing down to his beliefs weather it's destroying his career or not. That's a man you can trust.

Totally agree, the people you can't trust are the lefty tree huggers who just bitch and moan about other parties trying only to up there own popularity.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by eRock

Well, you don't have to worry about it then, do you? You're not an American...problem solved.

You are right 100%. What you are doing as a country will not influence other country. It will stop at your borders.

You should go to scholl next morning instead of riding your 3 wheel bike

[eRock]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Ya, and I really find this annoying ... It wasn't like that before that chimp stoler the elections.

Ever heard of Bill Clinton? We might not even be in this situation if it weren't for him! And Hilary Cl,inton for president!?
Oh man that's a good one. Any more good jokes up your sleeve?

[eRock]

Originally posted by directfiesta


You are right 100%. What you are doing as a country will not influence other country. It will stop at your borders.

You should go to scholl next morning instead of riding your 3 wheel bike

Stop it! You're killing me!
More jokes! More jokes!

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by eRock

Ever heard of Bill Clinton? We might not even be in this situation if it weren't for him!

Explain, and do post links or copy text. Your regurgitation are of no interest to me...

[rooster]

The far left proves over and over again that they are willing to do damage to this country to fulfill their political agendas.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by rooster
The far left proves over and over again that they are willing to do damage to this country to fulfill their political agendas.

What is the far-left's political agendas?

You seem familiar with them?

[rooster]

8 years of slashing millitary, fbi, cia. Not doing anything in retaliation of the first trade center bombing and various other terroist attacks. Not getting bin laden when he had the chance. Entering into a weak agreement with north korea and not doing anything when they broke the agreement.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by rooster
8 years of slashing millitary, fbi, cia. Not doing anything in retaliation of the first trade center bombing and various other terroist attacks. Not getting bin laden when he had the chance. Entering into a weak agreement with north korea and not doing anything when they broke the agreement.

lol

[rooster]

"What is the far-left's political agendas?

You seem familiar with them?"


Do nothing. Apply bandaids to the economy. Slash defense spending. Tax the hell out of people. etc

[DannyW]

before the elections in England, Blair promised the return of Elginian marbles from the british museum to Greece

You can't have our Elgin Marbles back, we accidentally sanded all their faces off about 50 years ago.

Sorry.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by rooster
"What is the far-left's political agendas?

You seem familiar with them?"


Do nothing. Apply bandaids to the economy. Slash defense spending. Tax the hell out of people. etc

That's worse than boosting military budget, tax cuts and running up a huge deficit?

Have you ever studied economics?

[eRock]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Explain, and do post links or copy text. Your regurgitation are of no interest to me...

I'm not gonna go looking for links right now, but if you REALLY find it necassary, email or ICQ me & I'll put some together for ya.

During the Clinton years, many times he could have stopped Al-Queda (sp?) & Bin Laden...had him in our sites but did absolutely nothing. Now if we have acted on this like he should have, we more than likely would not be where we are today. Make sense?

[eRock]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


That's worse than boosting military budget, tax cuts and running up a huge deficit?

Have you ever studied economics?

Well, Bush didn't bring us into a recession & we did have a major terrorist attck on us, so it's safe to assume that what was done before effected our country VERY negatively.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by eRock

I'm not gonna go looking for links right now, but if you REALLY find it necassary, email or ICQ me & I'll put some together for ya.

During the Clinton years, many times he could have stopped Al-Queda (sp?) & Bin Laden...had him in our sites but did absolutely nothing. Now if we have acted on this like he should have, we more than likely would not be where we are today. Make sense?

No, but post link here. This IS as bulletin board to all to see....

PS: Bush didn't even know who was the Talibans ( he tought it was a rock group, ... lol). So why should Clinton be responsible for something that was not "a problem" during his term.

May I also remind you that Clinton Bombed Iraq during his term...

[eRock]

Originally posted by rooster
8 years of slashing millitary, fbi, cia. Not doing anything in retaliation of the first trade center bombing and various other terroist attacks. Not getting bin laden when he had the chance. Entering into a weak agreement with north korea and not doing anything when they broke the agreement.

Finally...someone who knows what they're talkin' about!

[Theo]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Ya, and I really find this annoying ... It wasn't like that before that chimp stoler the elections.

It shouldn't really annoy you. This board doesn't represent the average american. Trust me on this. Twenty retard pornographers, some media channels and few newspapper lines won't build me an opinion for a whole nation. On the other hand my opinion on these retard minds will represent my country.

[eRock]

Originally posted by directfiesta

So why should Clinton be responsible for something that was not "a problem" during his term.

May I also remind you that Clinton Bombed Iraq during his term...

Cuz what he didn't do has directly effected what's goin' on now! Think, man! Think!

I would hardly call what Clinton did "Bombing Iraq". He basically threw a couple of missles out into the desert to shut people up. Obviously, we now know that did absolutely nothing.

[Theo]

Originally posted by DannyW


You can't have our Elgin Marbles back, we accidentally sanded all their faces off about 50 years ago.

Sorry.

Parthenon marbles belong to Greece. Elgin stole them from Greece during turkish occupation. Elgin made attempts to sell the Marbles to the British government but the price he asked was so high that they refused to buy them. As the years passed, the Marbles influenced the lives of people in Britain. Churches, buildings and houses were built in Greek classical style. At the moment the majority of british want the marbles to return to Parthenon where they belong. The problem for Blair and the past prime ministers is the political cost of such decision since many will negative criticize it. Feel sorry for your prime minister.

[DannyW]

Parthenon marbles belong to Greece ... Feel sorry for your prime minister

I don't think he's losing too much sleep over marbles just at the moment.

[eRock]

Originally posted by DannyW


I don't think he's losing too much sleep over marbles just at the moment.

[Webby]

Blair needs the Elgin marbles stuffed in his mouth to get him to shut the fuck up.

He's gone anyway.... whatever outcome of Bush's "war" ...

[Kat - Fast]

Originally posted by DannyW


I don't think he's losing too much sleep over marbles just at the moment.

I wish the two-faced scum would go to sleep permanently.
He has allowed the UK to turn into the shithole it currently is. Violent crime is up, taxes are up, illegal immigrants are up, utilities sold off abroad... Blair

[Praguer]

Originally posted by eRock
Blair's a good man...he's not backing down to his beliefs weather it's destroying his career or not. That's a man you can trust.

A good leader will give priority to his people beleifs not his. The vast majority of the British oppose war.

[eRock]

Originally posted by Praguer


A good leader will give priority to his people beleifs not his. The vast majority of the British oppose war.

No, it's what he believes is best for his country & people. Do you expect him to lay down & roll over just cuz the majority doesn't think it's right to stand up.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by eRock
No, it's what he believes is best for his country & people. Do you expect him to lay down & roll over just cuz the majority doesn't think it's right to stand up.

He's supposed to represent the people NUMNUTS! THEY ELECT HIM!

Haven't you ever heard the saying: "The people get the government they deserve" - where do you think that comes from, genius?

Are you really this stupid?

[421Fill]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Some people call that:

- blindness
- stupidity
- pride
and some other:

- friendship....

Blair will be gone by the end of spring. He will be working for a petrolium consortium pumping the oil of Iraq for it's masters.

Yeah... kinda like how you blindly support the stupidity of giving Sadamm "one more chance", and how proud you are of the friendships you are gaining with all of the other anti-war mongers out there.

See... two ways to look at everything. Sucks, don't it?

[Kat - Fast]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


He's supposed to represent the people NUMNUTS! THEY ELECT HIM!

Haven't you ever heard the saying: "The people get the government they deserve" - where do you think that comes from, genius?

The idiots of this country have exactly who they deserve in power.

[eRock]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Are you really this stupid?

Yes...yes I am. Am I gettin' ya all worked up, Sixpack? Awwwww...poor baby's about to blow a gasket.

Yeah, they elcted him based on his beliefs & what he can/will do for his country.

Now, calm down & count to 10. You'll feel better.

[jas1552]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


He's supposed to represent the people NUMNUTS! THEY ELECT HIM!

Haven't you ever heard the saying: "The people get the government they deserve" - where do you think that comes from, genius?

Are you really this stupid?

In a representative democracy we elect people who we believe have good enough judgement to make decisions. Not follow polls.
Leaders lead rather than do what popular opinion dictates.

[Why]

whether i personally agree with bushs decision to go to war or not, i as an american feel that i should support that decision. war is a time when we should stand together, specially with north korea in the state its in, added to the growing anti-american sentiment that seems to be growing weekly. we should all support our troops and whatever else. im sure some of them feel like they shouldnt be there. but its what we gotta do.

thats my

[eRock]

Originally posted by jas1552

In a representative democracy we elect people who we believe have good enough judgement to make decisions. Not follow polls.
Leaders lead rather than do what popular opinion dictates.

Thank you...

[DannyW]

I really don't agree that this current set of resignations represents the end for Blair.

There are many people in the UK and in the Government who agree with the war, and many that do not. It's not an easy decision for anyone. I personally agree with it, though it would have undoubtedly been better to have had the international community behind us.

But regarding Blair, even his strongest opponents will concede that he is following a path he truly believes to be right for the country and the world - and most give him credit for that. Even Robin Cook in his resignation speech praised Blair for his integrity and leadership, and for doing everything possible to try and get a solution the UN felt comfortable with. Cook was right to follow his principles and resign from the cabinet, and acknowledges that Blair is right to follow his too.

I don't deride people for having a different view to me. You are not stupid to believe what you do, and nor am I. And nor is Blair.

Within the UK there has been dignity and integrity from both sides in this debate, both recognising that the other has a legitimate point of view. I hope that the British people and Government will continue to have an intelligent debate, and each to follow their principles. Providing Blair continues to follow his principles, their is no question in my mind that he would be ousted or feel he has to resign.

However, if Blair is subsequently proved to have been wrong in leading us into war, he will without question resign. But he'll resign on principle. He won't need tabloids and public opinion to tell him to go.

I hope and believe he will not proved wrong, in which case his support will be overwhelming.

Danny

[ThunderBalls]

Originally posted by Why
whether i personally agree with bushs decision to go to war or not, i as an american feel that i should support that decision. war is a time when we should stand together, specially with north korea in the state its in, added to the growing anti-american sentiment that seems to be growing weekly. we should all support our troops and whatever else. im sure some of them feel like they shouldnt be there. but its what we gotta do.

thats my

So no matter what you blindly follow bush right or wrong. What if he invades a dozen countries before this is all over....you gonna support that too?

[Sarah_Jayne]

starting? um, it is just coming to a head. Also, keep in mind that for those of us in the UK it isn't just int'l policy that is being judged it is domestics as well. He sold out his party to get elected. He did a great job with that but some of the old school that went along with it are starting to have the little voices in their head surfaced again. It is an exciting time for political nuts like me but the weird thing is that all the fun isn't between the parties but inside them.