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  • Kenny B!
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    • Jun 2003
    • 5718

    #1

    Hiring: PHP Programmers - 4 Full Time Positions available!

    I?m posting this for an adult company based out of Toronto, they are looking for 3 PHP Programmers and 1 Team Lead, salary is 65K - 80K depending on experience.

    All the requirements, responsibilities and expectations are listed below, if you would like more information please contact:
    Tobias Liu
    [email protected]
    (647) 883-9003

    Sr. PHP Programmer

    Skills Requirements
    o Strong written/verbal communication
    o Solid team player with passion to participate in mentoring and team building
    o Strong web application documentation, design, coding and testing experience
    o Proven analytical ability to create/modify application code to support new functionality.
    o Strong debugging experience with code written by other developers
    o Proven ability to provide effort and elapsed time estimates for assigned work.
    o Proven ability to execute project deliverables within effort and elapsed time estimates
    o Proven experience in meeting workload estimates as defined in project work plan.

    Responsibilities:
    o Construct, develop, code, debug and maintain web site applications.
    o Conform to in-house software development processes
    o Conform to define software design methodology for the development and implementation of Internet based application to support all aspects of web site functionalities.
    o Perform code evaluation and determine recommendations for adaptation.
    o Creation of Low Level Design Document from Functional Specification and Technical design document.
    o Conduct Low Level Design Review with Team Lead and Technical Lead to ensure that the Low Level Designs conform to respective Functional Specifications and Technical Designs.
    o Participate in code reviews with Team Lead and Technical Lead to ensure that the code adheres to the low level design, and that the code meets coding standards compliance.
    o Apply rigorous testing methodologies and use cases to analyze and verify software programs, algorithms, data transformation, forms, reports and interfaces.
    o Timely communication of issues and status information to Team Lead concerning system development activities.
    o Generate application test data as necessary and validate any data conversion requirements for final implementation and production rollout.
    o Participate in project status review meeting with Team Lead.

    Technical Expectations
    o 4+ years of PHP design/coding/testing in Open Source environment building large scale distributed web sites.
    o Experience working in a formal software development environment
    o 2-3+ years of Object Orientation software coding experience for web application
    o 1-2+ years of Working with a second object oriented language such as perl or java.
    o Linux, Mac O/S, MySQL, PHP 4/5, Apache/Light HTTP technology experience based on LAMP model
    o Computer Science trained graduate or with equivalent work experience


    Web Development Team Lead

    Skill Requirements

    o Proven team building and leadership experience in a web development environment
    o Staff training and team development skills and experience
    o Strong written/verbal communication skills
    o Experienced in estimating effort and elapsed time required to complete project deliverables.
    o Skilled in both Object Oriented and Non-Object Oriented Design and programming techniques.
    o Several years of skill in PHP and at least one other object oriented language such as perl or Java.
    o Experience designing with large scale distributed databases.
    o Strong business and technical analytical ability so as to create robust technical design documentation from business requirements documentation.
    o Proven ability to define success criteria to meet and measure quality expectations.


    Responsibilities:

    o Provide feedback on business requirements documentation to ensure resolution of any apparent ambiguity or contradictions.
    o Functional Breakdown, Design, Programming, testing and maintaining web site applications to support the business requirements.
    o Perform impact analysis for design modification and obtain signoff from the Architecture Team.
    o Participation in the selection and implementation of third party software to support design where it is practicable.
    o Appropriate documentation for each development step ? including functional, design, and testing specifications.
    o Developing and documenting workload estimates (ie: Creation of workload breakdown plan to define and track software development efforts)
    o Delivering functionality within these estimated effort and time frames
    o Selection, implementation and/or modification of web development practices and methodologies to support continuous improvement efforts.
    o Provide assistance to junior programmers to generate Low Level Design documentation for new or modified functionality.
    o Conduct Design reviews with Technical Architect, Project Manager and Manager of Software Development for final design approvals.
    o Conduct documentation and code reviews for their team members to ensure standards compliance.
    o Define test methodology and use cases to analyze and verify software programs, forms, reports and interfaces.
    o Communicate issues and status information to Project Management Office concerning system development activities.
    o Liaison with Project Mangement Office to resolve scheduling conflict and project dependencies.
    o Update system data and prepare conversion requirement as necessary for new implementation and production rollout.
    o Participate in project status review meetings with other Team Leads and the Development Manager


    Technical Expectations

    o 5?6+ years of PHP 4/5 design/coding/testing/implementing using Open Source approach
    o Supervise and lead a team of 6 ? 10 programmers
    o 4+ years of Object Orientation design and development experience for large scale distributed web applications
    o Linux, Mac O/SX, MySQL, PHP, Apache/Light HTTP technologies experience
    o Computer Science trained graduate or equivalent work experience

    For more information please contact:
    Tobias Liu
    [email protected]
    (647) 883-9003

    Thanks!
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  • mrkris
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    • May 2005
    • 2737

    #2
    Your low ball of 65k is actually an insult to anyone that meets those requirements.

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    • Chris
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • May 2003
      • 27880

      #3
      that is alot of programmin
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      • pr0
        rockin tha trailerpark
        • May 2001
        • 23088

        #4
        Originally posted by mrkris
        Your low ball of 65k is actually an insult to anyone that meets those requirements.
        In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire
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        • sextoyking
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          • Dec 2001
          • 6034

          #5
          Originally posted by pr0
          In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire
          yep...........
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          • mrkris
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            • May 2005
            • 2737

            #6
            Originally posted by pr0
            In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire
            Perhaps if the position was for running a bank, but this is for a developer position. Good developers are in demand and even 80k is low. Adult tends to be cheap, wanting more bang for little buck, so I can understand your response.

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            • borked
              Totally Borked
              • Feb 2005
              • 6284

              #7
              Originally posted by mrkris
              Perhaps if the position was for running a bank, but this is for a developer position. Good developers are in demand and even 80k is low. Adult tends to be cheap, wanting more bang for little buck, so I can understand your response.
              quoted for truth

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              • pr0
                rockin tha trailerpark
                • May 2001
                • 23088

                #8
                Originally posted by mrkris
                Perhaps if the position was for running a bank, but this is for a developer position. Good developers are in demand and even 80k is low. Adult tends to be cheap, wanting more bang for little buck, so I can understand your response.
                I'm not just talking adult. I know plenty of programmers losing their jobs. In fact i have a buddy that just picked up 2 guys from Yahoo.

                But i do have 1 "fact".

                Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.
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                • mrkris
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                  • May 2005
                  • 2737

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pr0
                  I'm not just talking adult. I know plenty of programmers losing their jobs. In fact i have a buddy that just picked up 2 guys from Yahoo.

                  But i do have 1 "fact".

                  Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.
                  What I am saying is there are plenty of jobs available. You just have to meet the criteria. If you are an entry level developer, sure it might be difficult, but if you have the skills, it's not that difficult.

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                  • Ethersync
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                    • Mar 2008
                    • 5289

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pr0
                    Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.
                    So fucking true...
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                    • Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 16502

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pr0
                      In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire
                      Unless that new hire is fresh out of college or has a slight understanding of whats going on, its a lowball...

                      New hire does not mean not qualified and doesn't deserve pay as they should.

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                      • Sands
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                        • Feb 2007
                        • 3134

                        #12
                        I'll do it for tree fiddy.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by pr0
                          Most programmers have heads bigger than their actual wallets.
                          Most non-programmers can have the same thing said for them, why do you think its so hard to find a good programmer?

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                          • mrkris
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                            • May 2005
                            • 2737

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Retox Josh
                            Most non-programmers can have the same thing said for them, why do you think its so hard to find a good programmer?
                            Zing

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                            • pr0
                              rockin tha trailerpark
                              • May 2001
                              • 23088

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Retox Josh
                              why do you think its so hard to find a good programmer?
                              because they all already work for me
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                                • Jan 2004
                                • 16502

                                #16
                                Originally posted by pr0
                                because they all already work for me
                                I can name 5 very good programmers, who don't work for you

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                                • pr0
                                  rockin tha trailerpark
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 23088

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Retox Josh
                                  I can name 5 very good programmers, who don't work for you

                                  yea you're right...all the programmers in this thread are AMAZINGLY good, drive ferraris & dont work for me
                                  Last edited by pr0; 10-23-2008, 12:00 PM.
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                                  • Sands
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                                    • Feb 2007
                                    • 3134

                                    #18
                                    PHP Code:
                                    if($sands == 'cool') {echo 'Yaaay!';} else {echo 'Booo!'} 
                                    

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                                      • Jan 2004
                                      • 16502

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by pr0
                                      I've ran through every half ass programmer on GFY (from 2001-2007). So if you know some that don't work for me, they don't post here.
                                      I know 5 very good programmers who post here that haven't worked for you
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                                      • mrkris
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                                        • May 2005
                                        • 2737

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by pr0
                                        I've ran through every half ass programmer on GFY (from 2001-2007). So if you know some that don't work for me, they don't post here.
                                        Yes, I'm so sure you have.

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                                        • Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 16502

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Sands
                                          PHP Code:
                                          if($sands == 'cool') {echo 'Yaaay!';} else {echo 'Booo!'} 
                                          
                                          if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';

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                                          • Sands
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2007
                                            • 3134

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Retox Josh
                                            if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';
                                            I like adding the curlies

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                                            • borked
                                              Totally Borked
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 6284

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Retox Josh
                                              if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';
                                              echo ($sands == 'cool' ? 'Yaaay' : 'Boooo!');

                                              For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com
                                              (consider figuring out the email as test #1)



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                                              • fuzebox
                                                making it rain
                                                • Oct 2003
                                                • 22351

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by mrkris
                                                Your low ball of 65k is actually an insult to anyone that meets those requirements.
                                                Disagree

                                                The post dot-com tech world is pretty low paying, especially for an average php developer position... I've seen many offers starting at the 30-40k range get filled pretty quick.

                                                Obviously being a freelance consultant is a lot different than having a dayjob.

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                                                • borked
                                                  Totally Borked
                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                  • 6284

                                                  #25
                                                  I've never seen a lead on $80k

                                                  For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com
                                                  (consider figuring out the email as test #1)



                                                  All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

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                                                  • camperjohn64
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                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                    • 1531

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Sands
                                                    I like adding the curlies
                                                    The curlies are really imporant when on a team. If a junior programmer adds code, he may miss that they were never there to begin with and the program fucks up.

                                                    I agree that 65-80k is low. Anyone you get, will only stay until they find a real job. Maybe that is your goal though - to find a cheap programmer for 3 months.
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                                                    • cgu
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                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 188

                                                      #27
                                                      I think every prog is on board until they find a better deal. In LA a good prog will go for 95k. I think Texas Instruments pays 250k + tons of benefits for MIT grads. So enjoy a good prog while you've got them the market will eventually take them away from you.

                                                      Better to just hire a programming company to do the work then you've got someone to yell at at the end of the day aside from yourself.
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                                                      • mrkris
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                                                        • May 2005
                                                        • 2737

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                        Disagree

                                                        The post dot-com tech world is pretty low paying, especially for an average php developer position... I've seen many offers starting at the 30-40k range get filled pretty quick.

                                                        Obviously being a freelance consultant is a lot different than having a dayjob.
                                                        Maybe it's your location. Yes, 30-40k range are filling up ... for junior developers, but not lead developers. I get emails regularly for interviews at places starting at 90k+ with what I would consider a low end senior developer.

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                                                        • jwerd
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                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                          • 1953

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Retox Josh
                                                          if($sands == 'cool') echo 'Yaaay!'; else echo 'Booo!';
                                                          PHP Code:
                                                          echo ($sands == 'cool') ? "Yaaay!" : "Booo!"; 
                                                          
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                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                            • 16502

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by borked
                                                            echo ($sands == 'cool' ? 'Yaaay' : 'Boooo!');
                                                            Originally posted by lamerhooD
                                                            PHP Code:
                                                            echo ($sands == 'cool') ? "Yaaay!" : "Booo!"; 
                                                            
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                                                            • k0nr4d
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                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                              • 9231

                                                              #31
                                                              hell, i'd probably do full time for about 90-100k
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                                                              • Deej
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                                                                • Jun 2005
                                                                • 24386

                                                                #32
                                                                quality interview thread

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                                                                • Un4given
                                                                  Registered User
                                                                  • Jan 2008
                                                                  • 16

                                                                  #33
                                                                  At least they seem to know what they want, most don't have a clue.

                                                                  If a person did have those skills they could be a great asset to a company.

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                                                                  • viencarl
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • May 2007
                                                                    • 4234

                                                                    #34
                                                                    just a bump for all programmers here

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                                                                    • InternetIsForPorn
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2007
                                                                      • 848

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Lol and here I am paying $600/mo to my lead developers! Haha.

                                                                      Good thread, keep it going.

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                                                                      • Kenny B!
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                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 5718

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I'm sure a bump in salary can be discussed if the candidate is that great. The employer will also pay for all relocation costs!
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                                                                        • Ethersync
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                                                                          • Mar 2008
                                                                          • 5289

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by InternetIsForPorn
                                                                          Lol and here I am paying $600/mo to my lead developers! Haha.

                                                                          Good thread, keep it going.
                                                                          Yeah, I have 5 full time programmers and I don't pay anywhere near 80k a year total for them. They are top notch guys too and earm 3 to 4 times what most people in their town make.
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                                                                          • Voodoo
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                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                            • 10600

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Code:
                                                                            switch ($sands) {
                                                                            case "cool":
                                                                                echo "Yaaay!";
                                                                                break;
                                                                            default:
                                                                                echo "Boooo!";
                                                                            }

                                                                            "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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                                                                            • Voodoo
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                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                              • 10600

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Code:
                                                                              $sands="cool";
                                                                                   while($sands != "not cool"){
                                                                                      echo "Yaaay!";
                                                                              }
                                                                              else
                                                                              {
                                                                                   echo "Booo!";
                                                                              }

                                                                              "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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                                                                              • Kenny B!
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                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                • 5718

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Bumpedy Bump!
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                                                                                • GrouchyAdmin
                                                                                  Now choke yourself!
                                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                                  • 12085

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by borked
                                                                                  echo ($sands == 'cool' ? 'Yaaay' : 'Boooo!');
                                                                                  I love abusing ternary, too.

                                                                                  Code:
                                                                                  <?php
                                                                                  define('RAD', TRUE);
                                                                                  define('BOGUS', FALSE);
                                                                                  define('DUDE', '');
                                                                                  define('NOWAY', 'Fucknaw.');
                                                                                  define('TOTALLY', 'Furshure.');
                                                                                  define('BEDAT', '==');
                                                                                  echo ( DUDE . $sands . BEDAT . RAD . DUDE ? TOTALLY . DUDE : NOWAY . DUDE) ."\n";
                                                                                  ?>

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                                                                                  • Juicy D. Links
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                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                    • 122992

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    i cod guud

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                                                                                    • mrkris
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                                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                                      • 2737

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop nop

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                                                                                      • Sands
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                                                                                        • Feb 2007
                                                                                        • 3134

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I must not code. Code is the mind-killer. Code is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my code. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my code is gone I will turn and face PHP's path, and only I will remain.

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                                                                                        • V_RocKs
                                                                                          Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                          • 32449

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by pr0
                                                                                          In these market conditions i think 65-80k is quite fair for a new hire
                                                                                          I have 1/5th of these qualifications and I wouldn't do the job for less than $200K a year... But then that is because I actually know how to turn that 1/5th into cold hard cash...

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                                                                                          • V_RocKs
                                                                                            Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                                            • 32449

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            As far as pay goes...

                                                                                            I can see the lower level guy taking $75K and liking it... Thinking this is a step into more experience...

                                                                                            But the team leader should be asking for $100-120K and they should be getting a signing bonus + moving expenses...

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                                                                                            • farkedup
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                                                                                              • Nov 2007
                                                                                              • 2490

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                              As far as pay goes...

                                                                                              I can see the lower level guy taking $75K and liking it... Thinking this is a step into more experience...

                                                                                              But the team leader should be asking for $100-120K and they should be getting a signing bonus + moving expenses...
                                                                                              You don't know how bad this economy has gotten do you? Here in MI jobs are extremely hard to come by.

                                                                                              Salary isn't everything, BUT if you're expecting to get a guy in for 60-80hrs a week then obviously that salary isn't even close BUT if its a good 9-5 type job or hell 11-7 I prefer with flexibility and perks its not bad at all.
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                                                                                              • V_RocKs
                                                                                                Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                • 32449

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                You are correct. I don't know how bad the economy is...

                                                                                                I make enough to not have to worry about it...

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                                                                                                • AdPatron
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                  • 17706

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I make $150K doing my own thing. If someone wants to hire me to program, they will need to beat that.

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                                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                                    • 16502

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                                    You are correct. I don't know how bad the economy is...

                                                                                                    I make enough to not have to worry about it...
                                                                                                    Best reply ever.

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