TGP Submitters -- Please Read

[pimplink]

It seems there are issues with autosubmission programs --see autosubmit thread.

Due to the immense labor costs involved and some level of training involved, hand submission is not feasible. BUT IF IT WERE, here's my question: would YOU pay for hand submission of your sites? You get confirmation emails. You get hand submitted to 650 TGPs. You get detailed reports. You get verification information.

Assuming someone can give you this service for $10 per month, would you sign up?

Would this solve the autosubmit issues discussed above?

What problems would this kind of system have?

[Hypo]

If anyone provides 650 sites daily handsubmissions for $10 a month, he is definitely using an autosubmitter of sorts.

[pimplink]

Assume that it's done by hand--not an autosubmitter but a form filler program like "Fill It In" and manually checked for errors then submit button is pressed.

Would this service, see details above, be worth $10 a month?

Originally posted by Hypo:
If anyone provides 650 sites daily handsubmissions for $10 a month, he is definitely using an autosubmitter of sorts.

[Amputate Your Head]

Sure, but it's not practical on the other end. For $10/month I can submit away every single day with RS, but there's no way you can submit to 650 a day, every day, by hand, for let's say... even 2000 webmasters. How would you get the right gallery URL info? I create some 200+ different htmls with two or three recips each every day, but they are never named the same thing twice and always in different directories.
You'd have to have a work force the size of Sony's to get it done, and $10 a month per webmaster sure won't pay that expense. Not to mention... why? That's what autosubmitters are for.

Just what I see. (but a very creative idea... if you can pull it off, let me know. I'd pay)

[dada]

adult webmaster software hand submits to 650 sites.... those are real browser submissions.
it also has real time success report log..
that analyzes errors, success is 90% and higher. It is even better than human submission.... computers makes less mistakes
and the submission is exactly THE SAME hand submission that is done manually.

[Backov]

Originally posted by dada:
adult webmaster software hand submits to 650 sites.... those are real browser submissions.
it also has real time success report log..
that analyzes errors, success is 90% and higher. It is even better than human submission.... computers makes less mistakes
and the submission is exactly THE SAME hand submission that is done manually.

Uh huh. So use it to submit to The Hun, and see if you get a confirmation email. And if you do, see if you get listed.

There are LOTS of ways to tell if a submission is from an auto-submitter. My program auto submits and I don't try to hide it - there's no point. It says quite clearly in the user agent that it's AVSBlitz submitting, and if the link list webmasters want to ban it, they can - it's better than trying to fool them into thinking that it's NOT an autosubmitter. I am not too fond of programs that allow you to change the user agent and do other things to "fool" the link list owner into accepting an auto-submission. The guy doesn't want it for a reason, so leave him out of it.

And to address the $10/month thing - I don't think you could do it either. Even with Indian labor. ;> Maybe $10/day..

Cheers,
Backov

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[Quoth the Raven]

How does this sofware differ from HTK and why is it 2.5 time more expensive than LinkUpPro?

Originally posted by dada:
adult webmaster software hand submits to 650 sites.... those are real browser submissions.
it also has real time success report log..
that analyzes errors, success is 90% and higher. It is even better than human submission.... computers makes less mistakes
and the submission is exactly THE SAME hand submission that is done manually.

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[CDSmith]

All that for ten bucks?

I'd certainly give it a go. What would I have to do, give you 30 gallery urls with all the submission information for each? Pay you your ten bucks via paypal? Anything else?

I would certainly do this, and if it got results I'd do it on an ongoing basis.
Good luck, please let me know when this is ready.
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[dada]

The Hun doesn't allow auto submissions.
but all other 800 sites in our database are auto submitted to.
we do not hide the autosubmitter... since there's nothing to hide, the user agent should be the same as usual, it's built in explorer technology, so it actually fills the form and submits exactly the same as manual submissions.
off course we monitor all tgps rules and we disable sites that ask gor no auto submissions

[Juicy D. Links]

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I highly recommend it , and no I dont have any stake in it :-)

[deluxe]

If you could really do that for 10 bucks a month I would give it a go for sure.

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[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Backov:
Uh huh. So use it to submit to The Hun, and see if you get a confirmation email. And if you do, see if you get listed.

I have. Got lots of traffic from it too. Zilla & AL4A as well.

[dada]

aws is adult webmaster software
http://www.adultwebmastersoftware.com

[Backov]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

Originally posted by Backov:
Uh huh. So use it to submit to The Hun, and see if you get a confirmation email. And if you do, see if you get listed.

I have. Got lots of traffic from it too. Zilla & AL4A as well.

So you admit that you violated the Hun's rules on a board that he reads? Good idea.

Cheers,
Backov



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[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Backov:
[B] So you admit that you violated the Hun's rules on a board that he reads? Good idea./B]

I didn't violate shit. I made a very nice looking and clean gallery with 25 (larger than necessary) pics, no blind links to anything, no hotlinks, no scripts, no tricks, 1 sponsor banner, 1 banner exchange banner at the bottom, and a recip SOLELY to Hun at the very top center of the whole damn thing. Sure, I submitted it to him through a proggy that emulates an actual browser submission, but what the fuck is wrong with that? His site is in the database, I don't submit more than 1 gallery a day, and if using a submitter is the only reason for not getting listed after playing fair and creating a gallery like that, then ya know what? I don't need the fucking listing THAT bad. I've done everything humanly possible to please the various TGPs out there, with all the crazy fucking rules they've got now... but I will NOT stoop to kissing ass. I will continue to use my submitter, and if someone gets sick of it, then they will blacklist me and that will be the end of it. They will be happy to not see my clean gallerys anymore, and I will never know the difference. So take your snide little fucking remarks and shove it in your ass dickhead.

[Amputate Your Head]

Why does every single topic that starts off with someone having a good idea about something, trying to help someone, or even just a debate over something have to end up with some cum stain making a smart fucking comment in a lame ass attempt to get in the better graces of someone who most likely doesn't give a fuck anyway?
Jesus, I'm fucking astounded at the behaviour of "adults" sometimes.

[Heinz]

Did anyone here ever submitted to 650 TGP per hand? I mean not only clicking 650x a button, but 650x checking the rules and 650x filling the form. The longest submit tour I ever made was 200 TGP, and after this I felt like a zombie.
And you will pay 10$ for the complete month?
Let me know if you find someone who is dumb enough for this.

Btw: the style of the autosubmitter threads remembers me at the dialer threads on the awi board. But this is the place where webmasters are fucking around

[Bake]

I would pay that for sure If you could get a steady 100k a day Im sure I would pay 20 a month.I wouldent even care if some where auto submits.

[pimplink]

Thanks for the feedback so far guys, it's been very informative and I appreciate it. Now, back to the original topic and value points for a handsubmission project--

Assume what I said earlier but instead of 650 TGPs [let's face it only fraction of that amount send enough quantity to bother], the handsubmitter submits to 300 high traffic and depending on your niche, niche specific high traffic sites?

$10 a month with minimum contract of 3 months.

Would this work for you? How about maximizing submissions by submitting multiple times to the TGPs that allow multiple daily submissions?

Additional submits [based on TGP max daily limits] is priced, let's say $30 per month?

Any other realistic services or "options" you guys want with this to justify the price 10 or 30 dollars?

Please let me know, I'm validating the model while working on the tracking software/reporting.

What if we threw in reporting services as well for free? ie., you get a monthly report of where you have been placed?

Also throw in free search engine submissions for your pages?

Worth the cash? What is the maximum you would pay for this MANUAL service?

What if there were some minimal placement guarantees?

What if we limited the number of webmasters using this custom, all manual, service to only 200 webmasters?

Don't worry about the labor and logistics issues, I'd like to know if there is demand first...then I'll discuss supply later.

NOTE to autosubmit software makers: Please don't view this as competing with you... this is a different market segment and we can both occupy same market.

[Amputate Your Head]

I definitely LIKE where you are going with this pimp.... but one thing got stuck in my throat: "What if we limited the number of webmasters using this custom, all manual, service to only 200 webmasters?"

How are you going to decide which 200 that will be? And is that a fair practice? Does this then become "Who can pay me more"?

hmmm.... I'm really liking this idea, but...... more refinement! Give me more refinement! (and 'nutha beer too)

peace 4 the night brutha.... it's pizza 'n beer time!

[Bake]

why dont you offer to hand submit to all the big guys , and auto submit to the smaller ones ? and yes SE posting would be nice as well.I will use this service for sure if it gets going.

[pimplink]

Would this be feasible?

Handsubmit -- top 200 biggest traffic TGPs
Autosubmit -- over 600 smaller sites

Originally posted by Bake:
why dont you offer to hand submit to all the big guys , and auto submit to the smaller ones ? and yes SE posting would be nice as well.I will use this service for sure if it gets going.

[Amputate Your Head]

Pimp, you wouldn't be keeping this thread going if you didn't have something solid up your sleeve, and I gotta tell ya the suspense is fuckin' killing me! What is it bro? How are you gonna pull this off?
Dammit, someone beat me to the little drink umbrella idea, and now this.

[Thricedead]

I'd go for it at $30.00 a month, the SE submission would be nice, but I think I'd prefer my own counter
The minimal placement sounds great! But my scepticism blooms.
As to how much I'd be willing to pay, I'd be happy at thirty bucks ( tho I like the sound of ten bucks as a trial ) and a three month minimum, gotta see how it works out.



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[pimplink]

I'm still refining this idea, dude! Thanks for the good comments.

Any other comments re handsubmission? How many webmasters, realistically, would want to use this premium service?

Any other features you guys want? Sorry, I can't guarantee hits--I can guarantee some miminal placements though.

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Pimp, you wouldn't be keeping this thread going if you didn't have something solid up your sleeve, and I gotta tell ya the suspense is fuckin' killing me! What is it bro? How are you gonna pull this off?
Dammit, someone beat me to the little drink umbrella idea, and now this.

[Backov]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Jesus, I'm fucking astounded at the behaviour of "adults" sometimes.

Ya me too, especially when they attempt to justify their violation with lame excuses that we've all heard before. Don't those people suck? The internet makes them feel all big, so they like to go and post attacks on boards to distract themselves from their pathetic little lives. Some of those people have time for 128+ posts, when they've only been registered for less than a month! Those people really have no lives.

Pimp - good idea man, although I still think you should up the price. Don't undercut yourself man. You could make that $30/month and not effect your sales in any way.

Cheers,
Backov


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[Amputate Your Head]

Grow up Backdoor.

[pimplink]

Quick Reminder Guys, if I go through with this premium service, you guys will need to give me URLs of gallery pages with the buttons of the TGPs that my company will hand submit to.

Do you guys want to this by hand on your end or do you want an automated interface that takes your existing "generic" html and plugs in the recips automatically?

This may affect the price. Let me know what you guys think.

[Amputate Your Head]

Pimp.... I'm probably not as idea savvy as you, but I'm seeing two wasy here.

What if, I was to make my gallerys the same way I do now, about a couple hundred html pages complete with the recips, and then we could somehow just fill in a form for you or something which basically would submit the URL list to you? Although that kinda defeats the purpose really, because in that time, I could've just submitted the gallerys. hmmm... (more work on this plan)

Or.... if I think I understand what you're saying, we could just submit ONE galley page (say, index.html for lack of creativity) and then you are going to duplicate that gallery as many times as need be to get two or three recips per page? This sounds good on the webmasters side.... less work... but it definitely adds to your tasks. I'm still kinda confused, but if you could automate that for your end somehow.....

I'm rambling now....

[Hypo]

Amputate Your Head,

Don't take this personally, but your nickname makes me sick everytime I see it. I dont feel like reading a post just because your nickname is so morbid. Your posts are good but your nickname is not. Please change it to something less displeasing. Pretty pretty please!

Pimplink,

If you handsubmit to TGPs for 100 webmasters, you would have to have to do it through a 100 different computers or use 100 different proxies and eliminate cookies everytime else TGPs would not accept the submissions, considering them multiple. Have you thought of that? If everything works out that way, I might sign up for your service 10 times

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Hypo:
your nickname makes me sick everytime I see it.

Hey, I resemble that remark...

[pimplink]

Dynamic IPs and cookie scrubbers have been built in to the process.

Thanks for the feedback, its definitely an important point to factor into the system.

Which actually adds value to the service.

What price point would most people COMFORTABLY subscribe to this?

$30 [around the price of 1 sign up]

$70 [ 2 average adult site sign ups]

$100 [ 3 signups]

Originally posted by Hypo:
Amputate Your Head,

Don't take this personally, but your nickname makes me sick everytime I see it. I dont feel like reading a post just because your nickname is so morbid. Your posts are good but your nickname is not. Please change it to something less displeasing. Pretty pretty please!

Pimplink,

If you handsubmit to TGPs for 100 webmasters, you would have to have to do it through a 100 different computers or use 100 different proxies and eliminate cookies everytime else TGPs would not accept the submissions, considering them multiple. Have you thought of that? If everything works out that way, I might sign up for your service 10 times

[Hypo]

Hey, didnt it start with $10??

But I guess I'd be comfortable with $30, and if it gets me the hits without getting my domains banned I'll easily go higher.

[Hypo]

AYH, you still havent changed your nick!!! Do it and I'll make you a fantastic free logo for your site.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Hypo:
Hey, didnt it start with $10??

I'm with this.... $10 is cool, but $50? or $100? You're gettin' waaaaayy outta my range now. I can just keep using RS for $10. Still a good idea, but don't get greedy.... it'll kill it.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Hypo:
AYH, you still havent changed your nick!!!

No can do my friend.... besides, I'm a graphics genius.

[pimplink]

I spoke with the labor provider, they can handle up to 50 webmasters per contract period.

Email me if you'd like to be put on a priority/pre sale list for this service. It's not gonna be up unless I get enough people willing to try it out.

Originally posted by pimplink:
It seems there are issues with autosubmission programs --see autosubmit thread.

Due to the immense labor costs involved and some level of training involved, hand submission is not feasible. BUT IF IT WERE, here's my question: would YOU pay for hand submission of your sites? You get confirmation emails. You get hand submitted to 650 TGPs. You get detailed reports. You get verification information.

Assuming someone can give you this service for $10 per month, would you sign up?

Would this solve the autosubmit issues discussed above?

What problems would this kind of system have?

[The Truth]

I don't know about this... it seems interesting but impossible. Especially for 10 bucks a month, but I notice the price is already creeping up. I would try it but I would definetly register a new domain and create a new identity to do it under. My name is widely accepted by 90% of the BIg Boys of TGP land so I aint taking any chances with that.

Bottom line - if you build it - I will cum

[Tuzz]

How about a seperate addon to this service...
I already have a script that does this-

user chooses which TGPs to submit to
user takes gallery and inserts a recip template code wherever they want the recips to appear.
user pastes template into textarea and hits submit.
script builds HTML pages with recips inserted (4 per page) and tgp name in the url for identification.
script FTPs html pages to users local server.(would take about 5 minutes)
script prints HTML page for user showing

General gallery info- num pics, desc, email, etc.. ( simple since all galleries would be the same except for recips )

then for each gallery page-

Individual gallery url(clickable to check gallery integrity)
corresponding TGP submit page (clickable for convience)

and duplicate text file for easy copying and transfer.


My submit script builds 200 gallery pages with recips inserted in 2 seconds, FTP transfer would take about 5 minutes.

It also autosubmits but everyone has been there, done that, and I find a 70%higher acceptance rate for hand submits. I now just use it to build the seperate HTML pages and submit by hand.

Useful???

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[CDSmith]

Originally posted by pimplink:
Email me if you'd like to be put on a priority/pre sale list for this service.

Love to. What's your email address? (It's not on your profile for some reason)
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[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Hypo:
Don't take this personally, but your nickname makes me sick everytime I see it. I dont feel like reading a post just because your nickname is so morbid. Your posts are good but your nickname is not. Please change it to something less displeasing. Pretty pretty please!

You're joking, right?

Hippo, get over it. I'm now thinking of changing my name to "vivisect your entrails", or how about "cut out your spleen"?
hmm, "scalpel your eyes out" is another good one. Is it dinner time yet?

Live and let live bro. I think AYH's nick is cool, and sort of....hilarious
(just wait til his brother "kicks your head through goalpost" arrives here
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[spankstrocko]

Ditto

I need your e-mail too

Spankstrocko

[Tuzz]

Nobodys email shows up...maybe a glitch in the bbs script?

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[pimplink]

Email me at [email protected] -- it's also in my profile, I just want a list of webmasters who would want this service. Would make the decision to go ahead with setting up the offices/labor pool easier.

It's basically going to be like a telemarketing outfit doing calls for their clients but our clients are webmasters and we will do hand submits.

Maybe limiting the number of webmasters participating in this program would make it more feasible?

Is custom pricing better?

[pimplink]

Email me. Let's talk details. Your script looks like a great add on to my proposed service...automates the recip part. Still less work for webmasters while giving them the advantage of higher probability of being listed due to hand submission.

Originally posted by Tuzz:
How about a seperate addon to this service...
I already have a script that does this-

user chooses which TGPs to submit to
user takes gallery and inserts a recip template code wherever they want the recips to appear.
user pastes template into textarea and hits submit.
script builds HTML pages with recips inserted (4 per page) and tgp name in the url for identification.
script FTPs html pages to users local server.(would take about 5 minutes)
script prints HTML page for user showing

General gallery info- num pics, desc, email, etc.. ( simple since all galleries would be the same except for recips )

then for each gallery page-

Individual gallery url(clickable to check gallery integrity)
corresponding TGP submit page (clickable for convience)

and duplicate text file for easy copying and transfer.


My submit script builds 200 gallery pages with recips inserted in 2 seconds, FTP transfer would take about 5 minutes.

It also autosubmits but everyone has been there, done that, and I find a 70%higher acceptance rate for hand submits. I now just use it to build the seperate HTML pages and submit by hand.

Useful???

[This message has been edited by pimplink (edited 08-28-2001).]

[CDSmith]

Okay, I've emailed you. thanks. (It seems no one's email is showing up in the email part of the profiles though)


And to you other guys here.... Ya couldn't just shut the hell up and let this thing cost 10 bucks could ya... COULD YA!!! You bunch of big-mouths just upped the damn price without even seeing the product, JEEZ what a bunch of brainiacs we have here.

I would rather have tried out the program for a month or two at 10 bucks per month first, and then agreed to a price hike once the program is proven.
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[Backov]

Originally posted by CDSmith:
And to you other guys here.... Ya couldn't just shut the hell up and let this thing cost 10 bucks could ya... COULD YA!!! You bunch of big-mouths just upped the damn price without even seeing the product, JEEZ what a bunch of brainiacs we have here.

I would rather have tried out the program for a month or two at 10 bucks per month first, and then agreed to a price hike once the program is proven.

Ya, but we don't want the guy to work his ass off for peanuts - him making good money will give him motivation to not slack off with this service. I'd like to see it fly, I think it's a great idea.

Cheers,
Backov



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