Conversion Rate

[wethoney]

What's the average rate these days and what is the minimum rate you'll take to promote a site. I heard it said that the average is around:

1:2000

But people won't really promote you unless your under 1:1000 how accurate is that?

[p00p]

1:30

[AaronM]

I woud give hp if my site conversions were that high. I can see that from crap traffic but not as an overall average. OUCH!

[KRL]

My patience level starts to run thin if an advertiser goes beyond 1:300.

The best strategy is to get some kind of transaction from nearly everyone, even if its peanuts, peanuts add up with sufficient volume.

[Jakke PNG]

Currently my overall ratio with ccbill sponsors for this year is 1:1600. That sucks donkeyballs. I'm changing sponsors as we speak.. again.

[wethoney]

Originally posted by AaronM
I woud give hp if my site conversions were that high. I can see that from crap traffic but not as an overall average. OUCH!

Well maybe the "average" site sucks ass

[gothweb]

It depends a lot on what kind of traffic you are using, how the sponsor counts traffic, how much money each sale gets you, and so forth.

Ask yourself-- Could I be making more with this same traffic. If you think so, then the ratio isn't good enough. Otherwise, who cares?

[wethoney]

Originally posted by KRL
My patience level starts to run thin if an advertiser goes beyond 1:300.

1:300 is kicking ass. Are there that many affiliate programs out there that can maintain that level? Not according to the statastician.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by wethoney



Well maybe the "average" site sucks ass

Could be just that. I am not a frequent surfer so it is difficult for me to say. What I do know is that my conversions are about 1:70 for TGP traffic. I can live with that.

[wethoney]

Originally posted by p00p
1:30

Everyone dreams..

[wethoney]

Originally posted by AaronM


Could be just that. I am not a frequent surfer so it is difficult for me to say. What I do know is that my conversions are about 1:70 for TGP traffic. I can live with that.

1:70... Damn for which site? Hold on a second while I load the "webstripper".

[wethoney]

Originally posted by AaronM
I woud give hp if my site conversions were that high. I can see that from crap traffic but not as an overall average. OUCH!

I was taking a look at the statastician and from the looks of that if you are doing bettter than 1:1000 your doing pretty good. On a "pay" tour. I would suppose a free tour is a different story.

[newbiewebmistress]

The last I checked I was 1:600 with silvercash... Anyone else? I hope it picks up soon.

[netstarz]

1-20 or so on 4-free type stuff and 1-500 on average for paysites. My traffic is a mix of ppc, purchased banner spots and toplists.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by wethoney



1:70... Damn for which site? Hold on a second while I load the "webstripper".

What site? For some reason I am hesitant to mention it. I will tell you that if you follow the links in my sig, you can probably figure it out.

[wethoney]

Originally posted by newbiewebmistress
The last I checked I was 1:600 with silvercash... Anyone else? I hope it picks up soon.

What's so bad about 1:600??? Unless your sending 599

[FlyingIguana]

is that 1:70 from the join page?

[AaronM]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
is that 1:70 from the join page?

1:70 from the front page.

That is a rough number...Some days it wanders closer to 1:100.

[wethoney]

Originally posted by AaronM



What site? For some reason I am hesitant to mention it. I will tell you that if you follow the links in my sig, you can probably figure it out.

"Foxy In Bath" Needs to be a Wethoney Girl! Send her over.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by wethoney


"Foxy In Bath" Needs to be a Wethoney Girl! Send her over.

LOL...She lives in Vegas...Go get her.

F.Y.I. That is not the link I am talking about.

[wethoney]

Originally posted by AaronM


LOL...She lives in Vegas...Go get her.

F.Y.I. That is not the link I am talking about.

Vegas.. cool. only a short drive away. I would suspect the site is listed int he "folio"

[J B]

Looking at my StatsRemote I see the following:

Ratios this month for about 50 programs (no email sales):
best: 1:29
worst: 1:1683

and a few 0:... with programs where we send almost no traffic...

average: 1:429

[AaronM]

Originally posted by wethoney


Vegas.. cool. only a short drive away. I would suspect the site is listed int he "folio"

I will give you a hint. If you can not figure it out from these then there is no hope.

Edited to remove images. I do not want to hear you bitch about spam.

[KRL]

Originally posted by wethoney


1:300 is kicking ass. Are there that many affiliate programs out there that can maintain that level? Not according to the statastician.

You have to know your traffic and have a good feel for exactly what they want. Thus find advertisers with a lot of niche programs so you can target precisely.


Traffic Cash Gold and FM's CECash both offer a huge assortment of niche site selections and do exceptionally well.

[gothweb]

Originally posted by wethoney


1:300 is kicking ass. Are there that many affiliate programs out there that can maintain that level? Not according to the statastician.

Hmm... My sites do about that, overall. Of course, results vary a lot. People in my program range from 1:60 to much worse. I guess what I am wondering is whether the overall average of a program matters, or how *you* do with your traffic.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by gothweb
I guess what I am wondering is whether the overall average of a program matters, or how *you* do with your traffic.

Depends on if it your own site or not.

[KRL]

Free Progs for e-mail - conversions should be under 1:50, with some as strong as 1:20.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by KRL
Free Progs for e-mail - conversions should be under 1:50, with some as strong as 1:20.

Puff puff pass..Then send me your traffic. Of course, I am referring to a free trial...Not a free membership.

[Dildozer]

Ok here's what i like about the statistician, they count their conversions on the first page uniques, which all sponsors should do.

Come on people, counting conversions thru second page clicks is just another way of camoflaging shittier conversions. People who say you do 1:70, seriously how many do you send to that first page to have 70 second page hits?

And furthermore, is it the advertiser's fault if people don't click thru to the second page or is it the sponsors?
I guess it'll have to go both ways, if the advertiser advertises the site the right way without blind links, and if the tour entices the surfer to click through

But still, my main rant is about sponsors gloating about 1:70 conversions when they're calculated with second page uniques. Who the fuck are you fooling?

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Dildozer
Ok here's what i like about the statistician, they count their conversions on the first page uniques, which all sponsors should do.

Come on people, counting conversions thru second page clicks is just another way of camoflaging shittier conversions. People who say you do 1:70, seriously how many do you send to that first page to have 70 second page hits?

And furthermore, is it the advertiser's fault if people don't click thru to the second page or is it the sponsors?
I guess it'll have to go both ways, if the advertiser advertises the site the right way without blind links, and if the tour entices the surfer to click through

But still, my main rant is about sponsors gloating about 1:70 conversions when they're calculated with second page uniques. Who the fuck are you fooling?

Step up to the plate before you attempt to call me a liar. I am counting front page clicks...Not 2nd or any other page. Try it with TGP traffic then come back and call me a liar again.

[wethoney]

Originally posted by AaronM
[B]

I will give you a hint. If you can not figure it out from these then there is no hope.

What's her cut of that 1:70 rev?? Fiddy Bucks

[slapass]

Gothweb your stuff is so focused that I am not sure I would worry if someone is doing 1:5000 as just sticking it up a on a high traffic hardcore sight probably would not generate sales.

But a hardcore reality site goes 1:2000 and I remove the link and look for a new thing to promote. This last week was the slowest I have had ain awhile. This weekend picked up a bit so I am just hoping it was Holiday and Terrorist keeping people busy. The14th was the start of a pickup which was odd as I did well early that day.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by wethoney



What's her cut of that 1:70 rev?? Fiddy Bucks

Nah... I pay her $4.95 per shoot. Just enough to giver her a morning coffee fix. That's all she asks for.

[Ron2k1]

If I make galleries with lot's of sponsor links and I get listed at a few tgp's my ratio can be worse then 1:1500

But when I make very clean galleries and I get only half of the clicks my ratio is allready 1:750, so it depends on what of traffic you send.

Today I'm on 1:343 with TGP traffic, that's traffic from very clean galleries

I don't care if only very few people click on my sponsor links as long as those very few people give me sales.

[Dildozer]

Originally posted by AaronM


Step up to the plate before you attempt to call me a liar. I am counting front page clicks...Not 2nd or any other page. Try it with TGP traffic then come back and call me a liar again.

Hmmm my rant isn't about you being a liar or not and i'm glad that you're doing so fine with TGP traffic. Good for you.
My problem is with people and sponsors saying their conversions are as low as that when they're actually converting much much higher than that in reality

[Tipsy]

Ratios mean absolutely nothing. I have traffic that converst better than 1-50 although in limited supply. I also have traffic that I'm happy to get 1-500 on as there's lots available. These are both $35-$40 sponsors.

Ratios mean nothing.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Dildozer


Hmmm my rant isn't about you being a liar or not and i'm glad that you're doing so fine with TGP traffic. Good for you.
My problem is with people and sponsors saying their conversions are as low as that when they're actually converting much much higher than that in reality

I am referring to my site...Not one I push TGP stuff on. I am claiming 1:70 and you are suggesting that sponsors who do this are counting 2nd page hits.

Seems pretty direct to me. If I am reading you wrong then I apologize.

[JenC]

I think Aaron's talking about Toni Freeland.com. He shoots the content for that one. It's a fucking KILLER site and I never convert at any more than 1:175 with it. Normally I convert around 1:100.

Last month I made 22 sales on it and that was only on sporadic TGP traffic.

It's in my sig.

[JenC]

I think my sig is phuct.....

Wait, there it is.....

[p00p]

Originally posted by wethoney


Everyone dreams..

LargeCash converts at 1:30, chimp. Read their banner....

[p00p]

Originally posted by wethoney


Everyone dreams..

Plus, WetHoney, the site I saw of yours sucks ass. There is no wonder it doesn't convert worth shit.

[wethoney]

Originally posted by p00p

LargeCash converts at 1:30, chimp. Read their banner....

Chimps can't read

[res]

1:270

[EscortBiz]

I have webmasters who do 1:30 - 1:170 (many from GFY) and them the ones who buy exit bullshit traffic cant convert my program and mostlikly any other program

Its all in the form of traffic not just about the site where the traffic is going to

[besterman]

Yes, traffic quality is VERY important. People just don't get that TGP traffic is for people wanting free porn who would hardly ever pay for it. Also it is important to keep loyal customers, repeat business is a MAJOR source of revenue...

[Donnie Gangsta]

Fucking people... geez...

Have any of you ever tried to use an external hit counter for your traffic? out.php?link or something like that..... ? Almost every sponsor I've seen counts 50% or less of the real clicks. It's probably intentional because it's not like it's hard to code an accurate hit counting script..

Three that come to mind:
Porncash is 70%
Nastydollars is 50%
Orgasmcash is 50-70%

e.g. - for porn cash, only 30% of the real clicks are counted.... try it! just go get an outbound tracking script and see for yourself

So anyone who toils and worries over their ratio is wasting their time..... dude who the fuck cares what the ratio is? I'm very cynical, but I think that porn is porn...Any traditional site tour is going to convert the same as any other (ARS, Maxcash, TopBucks, CE, etc, etc.. they're all the fucking same). Sites with content oriented tours tend to do better typically speaking, so your ratio might be a bit better, but so the fuck what? $$$ is what matters. Sponsors usually know what they're doing. If you're not converting with them, maybe evaluate your own marketing techniques, and not bitch at them for having a tour, which is probably just like any other sponsor's. You should worry about how much $ you make at the end of the day/week/whatever.... If you mail, worry about how many sign ups per million sent.. if you do TGP, how many per gallery, AVS the same, etc, etc.. I'm sure most people do a plethora of things, so just worry about the bottom line... what the fuck does it matter if you're 1:70 if your clicks are shaved 75%.......... and also, another thing that is annoying is when someone says What the fuck!! 1000 hits and no sign ups.... dur... it is an average over time anyway..

Have a pleasant day.

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
Fucking people... geez...

Have any of you ever tried to use an external hit counter for your traffic? out.php?link or something like that..... ? Almost every sponsor I've seen counts 50% or less of the real clicks. It's probably intentional because it's not like it's hard to code an accurate hit counting script..

Three that come to mind:
Porncash is 70%
Nastydollars is 50%
Orgasmcash is 50-70%

e.g. - for porn cash, only 30% of the real clicks are counted.... try it! just go get an outbound tracking script and see for yourself

So anyone who toils and worries over their ratio is wasting their time..... dude who the fuck cares what the ratio is? I'm very cynical, but I think that porn is porn...Any traditional site tour is going to convert the same as any other (ARS, Maxcash, TopBucks, CE, etc, etc.. they're all the fucking same). Sites with content oriented tours tend to do better typically speaking, so your ratio might be a bit better, but so the fuck what? $$$ is what matters. Sponsors usually know what they're doing. If you're not converting with them, maybe evaluate your own marketing techniques, and not bitch at them for having a tour, which is probably just like any other sponsor's. You should worry about how much $ you make at the end of the day/week/whatever.... If you mail, worry about how many sign ups per million sent.. if you do TGP, how many per gallery, AVS the same, etc, etc.. I'm sure most people do a plethora of things, so just worry about the bottom line... what the fuck does it matter if you're 1:70 if your clicks are shaved 75%.......... and also, another thing that is annoying is when someone says What the fuck!! 1000 hits and no sign ups.... dur... it is an average over time anyway..

Have a pleasant day.

Well said

[Rich]

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
Fucking people... geez...

Have any of you ever tried to use an external hit counter for your traffic? out.php?link or something like that..... ? Almost every sponsor I've seen counts 50% or less of the real clicks. It's probably intentional because it's not like it's hard to code an accurate hit counting script..

Three that come to mind:
Porncash is 70%
Nastydollars is 50%
Orgasmcash is 50-70%

e.g. - for porn cash, only 30% of the real clicks are counted.... try it! just go get an outbound tracking script and see for yourself

So anyone who toils and worries over their ratio is wasting their time..... dude who the fuck cares what the ratio is? I'm very cynical, but I think that porn is porn...Any traditional site tour is going to convert the same as any other (ARS, Maxcash, TopBucks, CE, etc, etc.. they're all the fucking same). Sites with content oriented tours tend to do better typically speaking, so your ratio might be a bit better, but so the fuck what? $$$ is what matters. Sponsors usually know what they're doing. If you're not converting with them, maybe evaluate your own marketing techniques, and not bitch at them for having a tour, which is probably just like any other sponsor's. You should worry about how much $ you make at the end of the day/week/whatever.... If you mail, worry about how many sign ups per million sent.. if you do TGP, how many per gallery, AVS the same, etc, etc.. I'm sure most people do a plethora of things, so just worry about the bottom line... what the fuck does it matter if you're 1:70 if your clicks are shaved 75%.......... and also, another thing that is annoying is when someone says What the fuck!! 1000 hits and no sign ups.... dur... it is an average over time anyway..

Have a pleasant day.

I disagree about all sites being the same, but totally agree with everything else. Especially using a recurring sponsor, good exclusive content sites will make you more money.

I don't even really keep track of traffic anymore, just ROI, factoring in expenses + time. Then I figure out what's making me the biggest profit, and do more of that.

[Shoplifter]

It has to be under 1:1500 for mixed traffic (SE TGP) and most importantly it has to rebill or convert from trial at about 25% of total signups. But I usually look at total earnings....It has to bring in at least $100 / day or it's not worth the time.

This may not sound like much to ask for, but it is rare to see these days. As well as someone mentioned above the character of several processors has changed recently. All of my sites that
are with CCBill that were previously earning well have now dropped into obscurity.

The other thing is providing relevant high quality content for webmasters to use. Especially if the site is themed or niche.

If anyone has a good program and needs the services of a pro webmaster with dedicated servers and hundreds of domains I am looking for a few good sites. ICQ me 17249164 .

[Rich]

Shoplifter, if you're looking for a new site to promote, try the program in my sig. You're not going to find a site that sells better than this: http://www.nasty-cops.tv/

We've sent a couple hundred joins so far and they convert trials to new members at 50% or better consistantly.