Google SEO question, help me settle this argument

[clickhappy]

Whats most important to ranking high in Google? Content or inbound links?

[OzMan]

yes you are teh corrects

[Theo]

inbound links

[Deej]

content and relevance... then comes inbound links, properly placed, "named" and timed...


i might even go as far as saying the title is more important than inbound links...


its easier anyway...

inbound links are tricky, useful yes, but not the deal maker...

[clickhappy]

yes you are teh corrects

which one will rank you higher?
more content
or
more inbound links?

[clickhappy]

content and relevance... then comes inbound links, properly placed, "named" and timed...


i might even go as far as saying the title is more important than inbound links...


its easier anyway...

inbound links are tricky, useful yes, but not the deal maker...

This SEO guy Im thinking of hiring said it's inbound links.
He said thats why when you search for "click here" in Google Adobe comes up #1. Because most people use the phrase "click here" when linking to Adobe. Even though "Click here" doesnt appear on the Adobe site.

[D Ghost]

There is no one most important, rather a combination of important factors. LIke Relevant Inbound Links

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

niether

there are many dynamics at play for high serp results and the formula for returning results is dynamic itself

inbound links mean nothing

keyword bombing will soon mean nothing

everything means nothing but really means everything

that being said... if you have a budget .. hit me on ICQ

[beta-tester]

nothing....relationships with google employees ))

[Jdoughs]

• Before you even blink an eye for anyone, have them send you examples of search results with their work, and what they have listed in the engines. Ensure the domains they are showing are indeed thiers, and check the serps history on those domains, to see if its a fluke one time thing, or if it has some weight and substance to them.
• Alot of Seo’s will show you what their ”clients” results are or were. Stop talking to these guys, you want to see results they have for thier stuff. What they did on someone elses stuff with someone elses resources has nothing to do with your site and what you have, or with what they have to bring to the table. Unless that client is offering you their resources, its completely irrelevant.
• Dont pay anyone that shows you long tail search terms like “barbie cummings suck the black wang” One nicely placed link will give someone that, and too easily done by accident. If they cant show you a big term, they arent worth paying. “Milfs, Big Cocks, fetish, free porn, black porn, gay porn, THOSE ARE KEYWORDS TO RANK FOR, not “”cocking milfs buttfucked backwards”. It is possible for quality search engine guys to have several small terms and longer tail terms and still be ok, you have to judge for yourself. They may have the brains and just not the link power for the big ones.
• When you find someone who actually knows. Best be ready to go ahead with the deal and be prepared to pay. If they do have a clue, the chances of them helping you for a fee isnt very high, and if they do, they will expect just compensation. Some of my terms made high 5 figures since the sites went live so its not info a seo would be happy to give away for 2-3k. If you are looking for good people, in this field it will cost you.
• Expect a backlink/site developement budget. If you plan on taking on a project and expect to take search engine ranks away from big boys, then you will need a network to do so. If not from your own neighbourhood, then from link purchase. This isnt a one time, monthly thing, you will want them longterm. If the adult SEO you are talking to hasnt mentioned it, you will want to know where its going to come from.
• Know what you want. And know what the person you are willing to pay big dollars to wants and is capable of. Know what hes linking with, know what he is building pages with, take note of everything he did on his sites, and on your sites. You will not have this type of access to his or her brain forever, so use it wisely and get as much info as you can.
  http://www.net-brains.org/seo/hiring-an-adult-seo/

It may be the most important thing, it all depends how he works it. That is probably the only answer.

Some use brute link power, some use thousands of shit links, there is many ways, and many ways work. The results he has shown you should tell you if what he says has value.

He has shown you some results i hope?

[Mark_E4A]

This SEO guy Im thinking of hiring said it's inbound links.
He said thats why when you search for "click here" in Google Adobe comes up #1. Because most people use the phrase "click here" when linking to Adobe. Even though "Click here" doesnt appear on the Adobe site.

I would have to agree that it is mostly on inbound links

more then 50% of the algo anyways

[Barefootsies]

This SEO guy Im thinking of hiring said it's inbound links.

Wrong.

Updates. Relevance. Content. Page structure. Links are dead last.

I have some sites on the front page for their category. I have done next to NO link building, other than a few other sites I have. I do not do link trading because many remove your link as soon as you put theirs up.

If you update often. Use good page structure. Including page titles, etc. Then traffic, and good SEO will come easily.

SEO is not the end all magic wand. I know sites in some of my niches with a lot more traffic who are not even ON the first FIVE or TEN pages under SERPS.

SEO is a piece in the puzzle. You are best served by building a small network of similar sites. Cross link them smartly. Update often and use the right page structure.

[Mark_E4A]

Wrong.

Updates. Relevance. Content. Page structure. Links are dead last.

I have some sites on the front page for their category. I have done next to NO link building, other than a few other sites I have. I do not do link trading because many remove your link as soon as you put theirs up.

If you update often. Use good page structure. Including page titles, etc. Then traffic, and good SEO will come easily.

SEO is not the end all magic wand. I know sites in some of my niches with a lot more traffic who are not even ON the first FIVE or TEN pages under SERPS.

SEO is a piece in the puzzle. You are best served by building a small network of similar sites. Cross link them smartly. Update often and use the right page structure.

updates do not get you ranked better then relevant inbound links....

[Theo]

ok well when some of you end up getting 40-70k/day traffic from G/Y/M over a single domain come and tell me it was done thanks to a page title, page structure or content. Of course it takes a combination of factors, but lack of linking power won't get you that far.

[Mark_E4A]

ok well when some of you end up getting 40-70k/day traffic from G/Y/M over a single domain come and tell me it was done thanks to a page title, page structure or content. Of course it takes a combination of factors, but lack of linking power won't get you that far.

[Jdoughs]

I would rank both content and links as the 2 most important for LONGTERM success.

I would have a hard time ranking one over the other, but if i had too, i would trade raw link power for content.

[Barefootsies]

Of course it takes a combination of factors

THIS.... sums it up chief.

Links are a piece in the puzzle taken on the whole.

[Mark_E4A]

I would rank both content and links as the 2 most important for LONGTERM success.

I would have a hard time ranking one over the other, but if i had too, i would trade raw link power for content.

I have sites that have not updated in over 2 years and rank VERY GOOD in google, because i have alot of links to me and done a certain way

[Shaze]

Wrong.

Updates. Relevance. Content. Page structure. Links are dead last.

I have some sites on the front page for their category. I have done next to NO link building, other than a few other sites I have. I do not do link trading because many remove your link as soon as you put theirs up.

If you update often. Use good page structure. Including page titles, etc. Then traffic, and good SEO will come easily.

SEO is not the end all magic wand. I know sites in some of my niches with a lot more traffic who are not even ON the first FIVE or TEN pages under SERPS.

SEO is a piece in the puzzle. You are best served by building a small network of similar sites. Cross link them smartly. Update often and use the right page structure.

wow...not too sound like an ass but there is alot of misinformation in this post.

[Jdoughs]

I have sites that have not updated in over 2 years and rank VERY GOOD in google, because i have alot of links to me and done a certain way

I have a site ranked for massive terms on google right now and its been there for 18 months.

I havent changed shit on it for months (12-16). So i will just finish up by saying i gotcha

[Mark_E4A]

THIS.... sums it up chief.

Links are a piece in the puzzle taken on the whole.

right 100% right

but the q was links over content

it is a combo of both, but inbound links come first

[Mark_E4A]

I have a site ranked for massive terms on google right now and its been there for 18 months.

I havent changed shit on it for months (12-16). So i will just finish up by saying i gotcha

hit me up on icq please, i can show you some shit lol but i wont post it here

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[Mark_E4A]

Jdoughs btw if your really bob and dougs lost brother, you are my idle

[Barefootsies]

I have a site ranked for massive terms on google right now and its been there for 18 months.

I havent changed shit on it for months (12-16). So i will just finish up by saying i gotcha

I have one as well that I haven't updated in two or more years still showing up on page one of SERPS. I do not, or have not, done anything with the site. Including any "links". So you haven't got shit.

Must be the content, keywords, and page structure then huh? Or are those links building on automatic pilot?

[Barefootsies]

wow...not too sound like an ass but there is alot of misinformation in this post.

Feel free to start posting your solid first page listed sites in Google, and I'll stand corrected hoss.

[~Ray]

who needs one way backlinks?

~Ray

[woj]

It's like asking what is more important in a car, engine or transmission... you need both...

[Jdoughs]

I have one as well that I haven't updated in two or more years still showing up on page one of SERPS. I do not, or have not, done anything with the site. Including any "links". So you haven't got shit.

Must be the content, keywords, and page structure then huh? Or are those links building on automatic pilot?

I havent got shit? Not sure what you mean by that but i assure you it's not shit i have.

[Barefootsies]

It's like asking what is more important in a car, engine or transmission... you need both...

[Mark_E4A]

I have one as well that I haven't updated in two or more years still showing up on page one of SERPS. I do not, or have not, done anything with the site. Including any "links". So you haven't got shit.

Must be the content, keywords, and page structure then huh? Or are those links building on automatic pilot?

just curious, you said in your previous post that updates was #1

if you havent updated in over 2 yrs and still showing up on page 1? how can it be updates?


not pickin on you, just noticed that


everyone has their own ideas what works and what doesnt

[WiredGuy]

Content and inbound links are both important, but inbound links will weigh more.

Case in point: Google search for miserable failure linking to George Bush's site without those words on the pages.
WG

[Jdoughs]

hit me up on icq please, i can show you some shit lol but i wont post it here

205700725

I have and havent gotten a response.

[Barefootsies]

just curious, you said in your previous post that updates was #1

if you havent updated in over 2 yrs and still showing up on page 1? how can it be updates?


not pickin on you, just noticed that


everyone has their own ideas what works and what doesnt

Oh, I am not taking it personal chief. I know what works for me.

But I haven't done any link building of any kind, in the traditional sense, for probably 2-3 years or longer. I do have a few links between my sites, on the same C-block IP. But that is about it.

However, I have a number of sites on page one in SERPS for the key words I wanted and they rank solid. Obviously, my updated one is higher.

That said, we all have whatever works. For the SEO experts, I always ask them to show me a long list of their examples to back up their claims.

I know for me personally, I get my stuff ranked nicely in Google while not doing the "all important" linking. So most SEO "experts" you can take their "hot tip" advice with a grain of salt.

Carry on.

[FlexxAeon]

i bookmarked this thread for education, but i got confusion

[clickhappy]

Content and inbound links are both important, but inbound links will weigh more.

Case in point: Google search for miserable failure linking to George Bush's site without those words on the pages.
WG

Thanks
Do you know if Wikipedia ranks high for EVERYTHING because they have a massive amount of content? or because of inbound links? or a combo of both?
I always wondered why wikipedia ranks at the top or almost the top for almost everything.

[WiredGuy]

Thanks
Do you know if Wikipedia ranks high for EVERYTHING because they have a massive amount of content? or because of inbound links? or a combo of both?
I always wondered why wikipedia ranks at the top or almost the top for almost everything.

Main reason is because they're considered an authority site.
Then of course the massive amounts of content and shear backlinks to every page on there and don't forget the massive PR. I'm not surprised they rank on top for almost every subject.
WG

[hungry hungry hippy]

content and relevance... then comes inbound links, properly placed, "named" and timed...


i might even go as far as saying the title is more important than inbound links...


its easier anyway...

inbound links are tricky, useful yes, but not the deal maker...

you may want to ask this question on a seo forum, not a surfer forum

[Jdoughs]

Main reason is because they're considered an authority site.
Then of course the massive amounts of content and shear backlinks to every page on there and don't forget the massive PR. I'm not surprised they rank on top for almost every subject.
WG

Consistancy is a very important factor as well.

The fact that the content changes is one thing, the fact that it consistantly changes day after day, month after month, is another.

Same with the links and all other aspects. Getting 500 shitty links, 200 not bad links and 50-70 quality inbounds in one day to a site is great and maybe spammage, getting them consistantly everyday is monstrous and what makes se superdomains.

Now the same serps that display that massively linked to and massively updated page, will also show sites (possible right below or above) that are static, and havent changed in months or years, and have low ammount of links to them added. But just like the superdomain, they are consistant in their strategy. If they strayed, ie started adding tons of content or tons of links, it would almost certainly effect their rankings.

[Marshal]

this thread actually made me think... some good points there...

[Barefootsies]

you may want to ask this question on a seo forum, not a surfer forum

You might want to back up your claims of SEO greatness....


or pass out your grain of salt.

[WiredGuy]

That said, we all have whatever works. For the SEO experts, I always ask them to show me a long list of their examples to back up their claims.

Some of the best ways to get seo's to stop doing something is by misinformation. Like matt cutts does
WG

[aico]

Site Maps

[hungry hungry hippy]

You might want to back up your claims of SEO greatness....

and how would i do this? let me guess... give you my sites, or my keywords?

no thanks. i keep my strategies to myself

[itto]

[baddog]

If I were to give credit to just one thing I would say age, followed by site depth. . . . but it is never just one thing.

[Theo]

"Alot of Seo’s will show you what their ”clients” results are or were. Stop talking to these guys, you want to see results they have for thier stuff. What they did on someone elses stuff with someone elses resources has nothing to do with your site and what you have, or with what they have to bring to the table. Unless that client is offering you their resources, its completely irrelevant. "

Interesting part of the article, but it's not that simple especially in the adult sector. Assuming you find a truly good seo that will decide to take over your site/s. The only reason he would do it is:

You will pay him more than he would have earned alone. Consider now what it takes for this to happen.

a) you can provide resources he doesn't have access to, therefore he couldn't get such results on his own anyhow

b) You run some decent affiliate program and you are in position to pay him more than he would make as an affiliate.


Feel free to add your own

[clickhappy]

Some of the best ways to get seo's to stop doing something is by misinformation. Like matt cutts does
WG

Is that a joke, or are you serious?
Why do you think Matt Cutts gives out fake info?

[baddog]

Is that a joke, or are you serious?
Why do you think Matt Cutts gives out fake info?

Because Google does not approve of SEO. They want everything to be organic. SEO's mess that up for them.

[WiredGuy]

Is that a joke, or are you serious?
Why do you think Matt Cutts gives out fake info?

Because he's in a position where the masses will believe whatever he says. Consider who he works for. His interests are to his employer, not to the general public.
WG

[clickhappy]

Because Google does not approve of SEO. They want everything to be organic. SEO's mess that up for them.

That makes sense, but then why does Google have such a huge webmasters area loaded with tools?
They dont have to have all that.

They could just say "fuck off" to webmasters and figure it out yourself. Why spend millions of dollars and time creating fake tools to fake out seo people?