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  • Hardcore J
    Hardcore 4 Lifeā„¢
    • Mar 2003
    • 2553

    #1

    Processing Myths Destroyed - great article everyone should read

    This is the best article I have read in a long time about processing.

    Great job Rand! I learned a lot today from this and you truly know your stuff.

    Every paysite owner should read this and learn from it.

    http://xbiz.com/articles/83100
  • Dollarmansteve
    Confirmed User
    • May 2005
    • 2849

    #2
    no cross sells are evil.. they're the devil.. only a criminal would use a pre-checked xsell!!
    I died.

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    • born
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2001
      • 588

      #3
      This is an excellent point, I did not know this until I read the article.

      Local Currencies:
      "... A real misconception is that you need to use offshore or region-centric billing services to accept the currency types not usually offered by major billing companies. In fact, utilizing such services might put your site in danger of violating cross-border acquiring rules without your knowledge. The risk of losing your ability to accept the major card types is hardly worth the limited rewards you might gain from accepting local billing currencies. You should check with a legal consultant to make sure you are not exposing yourself to risk."

      Of course, not being able to process Visa/Mc would end your days of being an adult webmaster/Affilate Program!

      b-

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      • CaptainHowdy
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Dec 2004
        • 94052

        #4
        Bumpo !

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        • AM900
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          • Jul 2007
          • 97

          #5
          its not that bad

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          • uvort
            Confirmed User
            • Mar 2003
            • 3580

            #6
            Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
            no cross sells are evil.. they're the devil.. only a criminal would use a pre-checked xsell!!
            Funniest thing I've read all day.
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            • hollymoss
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2003
              • 155

              #7
              Good Read Rand!

              Imformative Stuff!
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              • SmokeyTheBear
                ►SouthOfHeaven
                • Jun 2004
                • 28609

                #8
                good article but no offense some of it seems rather "sugar coated"


                " It is important to remember that billing companies and website owners' interests are perfectly aligned"

                hmm i guess ibill was the exception to the rule
                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                • Pornwolf
                  Drunk and Unruly
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 22712

                  #9
                  That was a great read Rand.


                  Now, can I have 7% rates?
                  I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                  Webair, bitches.

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                  • Marshal
                    Biz Dev and SEO
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 15224

                    #10
                    very nice read! what about non usa or non eu companies and online processing?
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                    • wiggitywack
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 561

                      #11
                      great read Rand.

                      thanks for an objective yet informative piece.

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                      • 12clicks
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 19813

                        #12
                        not bad Rand. the fraud and Xsell stuff was company line but the rest was interesting.
                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                        • ExtremeEric
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 17

                          #13
                          interesting article

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                          • Rand
                            Industry Vet
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 2663

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hardcore J
                            This is the best article I have read in a long time about processing.

                            Great job Rand! I learned a lot today from this and you truly know your stuff.

                            Every paysite owner should read this and learn from it.

                            http://xbiz.com/articles/83100

                            Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

                            This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.




                            -- Rand


                            Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

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                            • Tom_PM
                              Porn Meister
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 16443

                              #15
                              Good stuff
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                              • tranza
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                                • Jun 2003
                                • 57559

                                #16
                                I'm reading it right now....
                                I'm just a newbie.

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                                • MakingItPay
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                                  • Feb 2005
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                                  #17
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                                  • MarkMan
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                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 1370

                                    #18
                                    nice read

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                                    • Shap
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2001
                                      • 8313

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by born
                                      This is an excellent point, I did not know this until I read the article.

                                      Local Currencies:
                                      "... A real misconception is that you need to use offshore or region-centric billing services to accept the currency types not usually offered by major billing companies. In fact, utilizing such services might put your site in danger of violating cross-border acquiring rules without your knowledge. The risk of losing your ability to accept the major card types is hardly worth the limited rewards you might gain from accepting local billing currencies. You should check with a legal consultant to make sure you are not exposing yourself to risk."

                                      Of course, not being able to process Visa/Mc would end your days of being an adult webmaster/Affilate Program!

                                      b-
                                      I don't think many people understand how important this is.

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                                      • DonMike
                                        Registered User
                                        • Jan 2006
                                        • 97

                                        #20
                                        It's set aside for a lunchtime read. I know anything Rand has to say is worth listening to.
                                        Don Mike
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                                        • AGP Albert
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2006
                                          • 720

                                          #21
                                          Rand is one of the most respected and talented people in this industry. His loyalty with paycom/epoch is notable as the company has evolved through challenging times and now represent the benchmark for third party processing.

                                          The information given in this article is a fair and accurate representation of processing to date. I am pleased that this article is created because this entire industry is at the mercy of processing. I have even taken the time to educate my entire sales team on this article specifically.

                                          Keep up the good work Rand.
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                                          • jmk
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Sep 2002
                                            • 5391

                                            #22
                                            All one should say is THANKS Rand!!!!

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                                            • JFK
                                              FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 67369

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Rand

                                              Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

                                              This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.




                                              Yup, it helped Rand, Thanks

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                                              • Pornwolf
                                                Drunk and Unruly
                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 22712

                                                #24
                                                So, you are saying I can't have 7% rates?

                                                Awww, c'mon Rand! I won't tell anyone!



                                                ;)
                                                I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                Webair, bitches.

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                                                • Hardcore J
                                                  Hardcore 4 Lifeā„¢
                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 2553

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Rand

                                                  Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

                                                  This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.
                                                  Rand

                                                  I had no idea about some of these cross border rules that you pointed out.
                                                  You clearly explained these rules / regulations in laymen's terms and potentially prevented me from putting my business in jeopardy without me even knowing it.

                                                  Based on your article, it's clear that US based online vendors CANNOT use a non USA based IPSP to clear credit card transactions.
                                                  If a webmaster decides to go ahead and do this anyway, they are clearly not in compliance with cross-border acquiring rules.

                                                  Any paysite owner would be an absolute fool to give up or put at risk 85% - 90% of their business by trying test a billing company that is not based in the same processing region in which they are registered.
                                                  Of course, testing a new "wiz bang" a credit card company or two in a effort to squeeze more money out of your users may sound logical at first.
                                                  But going ahead and moving fwd without first doing your due diligence will ultimately end up biting you in the ass and even threaten your core credit card processing capability.

                                                  It's also great to see that Epoch itself is capable of processing the major eight card types, including many of those wacky Euro debit cards.

                                                  So thanks again for pointing this out to us, this article may of saved a few webmasters from potential disaster!

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                                                  • frank7799
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 1974

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Rand

                                                    Thanks Hardcore J, and others. I was happy to get this out and I want to thank XBiz for putting it on the cover of their August issue.

                                                    This was my response to the questions I hear on a regular basis. I hope it helps.
                                                    Yes, it did. Thank you so far. I set up my sites with CCBill some time ago and I“m testing them at the moment. I didn“t have one single chargeback or refund so far. That is - in my opinion - the advantage of using CCBill. Same will be with Epoch, I“m sure.

                                                    I didn“t have problems getting my sites active and I hope that I can manage to grow them soon.

                                                    The only disadvantage is that cascading isn“t possible without using a software like NATS or MPA3. Since Epoch offers a light version of MPA3, maybe it is advisable to check it out.

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                                                    • yo!!
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                                                      • Aug 2007
                                                      • 152

                                                      #27
                                                      yo!

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                                                      • Flynn
                                                        pr0's goat screwed me
                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                        • 2083

                                                        #28
                                                        This is a great read. Thanks for making this post Hardcore J.
                                                        blah blah blah

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                                                        • BOSS1
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                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                          • 4331

                                                          #29
                                                          thanks for an informative read

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                                                          • NETbilling
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                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                            • 8598

                                                            #30
                                                            Good article Rand and thanks for mentioning NEtbilling n there as well.

                                                            Mitch


                                                            Mitch Farber
                                                            CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                            Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                            Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                            • Rand
                                                              Industry Vet
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 2663

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by NetBilling
                                                              Good article Rand and thanks for mentioning NEtbilling n there as well.

                                                              Mitch
                                                              How could I not mention the two XBiz Award Winners for processing?
                                                              -- Rand


                                                              Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

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                                                              • BluMedia
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                • 3973

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Rand
                                                                How could I not mention the two XBiz Award Winners for processing?
                                                                Thats awesome you guys are my two favorite processors. Great article Rand.

                                                                Mark
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                                                                • Hardcore J
                                                                  Hardcore 4 Lifeā„¢
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 2553

                                                                  #33
                                                                  **bumpity bump**

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                                                                  • CurrentlySober
                                                                    Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 38955

                                                                    #34
                                                                    myth buster!


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                                                                    • Why
                                                                      MFBA
                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                      • 7230

                                                                      #35
                                                                      very good article rand, its nice to know more the single most import thing to an adult website!

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                                                                      • Rand
                                                                        Industry Vet
                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                        • 2663

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                                                        So, you are saying I can't have 7% rates?

                                                                        Awww, c'mon Rand! I won't tell anyone!

                                                                        ;)
                                                                        Tell you what Pornwolf, if you can hit 2k sales per day we'll talk. ;-)
                                                                        -- Rand


                                                                        Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

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                                                                        • NETbilling
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                          • 8598

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Rand
                                                                          How could I not mention the two XBiz Award Winners for processing?
                                                                          We certainly do work hard to earn the awards. Hoping for a repeat...



                                                                          Mitch


                                                                          Mitch Farber
                                                                          CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                                          Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                                          Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                                          • Sexy Rex
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                                            • 1164

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Nice article Rand, thanks for sharing
                                                                            Got a quick question about cross borders rules. Let's say I process www.mysite.com with an US IPSP from an US company and now I also want to process for the same stuff with an EU IPSP from and EU company.

                                                                            Do I need to register a completly different url for that or are subdomains ok?
                                                                            Is www.mysite.eu acceptable? (I guess yes)
                                                                            Is eu.mysite.com acceptable?

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                                                                            • alby_persignup
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                                                                              • May 2007
                                                                              • 3119

                                                                              #39
                                                                              thanks! interesting!
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