Anyone care to explain how those submitters submit several galleries a day without getting blacklisted?
(won't those scripts detect his ip, machine name etc? a friend of mine told me a while ago that it's pretty hard to set up a computer to do multiple daily submissions, is it true?)
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Originally posted by danevans Anyone care to explain how those submitters submit several galleries a day without getting blacklisted?
(won't those scripts detect his ip, machine name etc? a friend of mine told me a while ago that it's pretty hard to set up a computer to do multiple daily submissions, is it true?)
Our system is what works. We have several computers setup on our cable networks, when you become one of our clients you get a personal computer dedicated to submitting just your stuff.
These computers all have their own IPs and if we ever stop working for a client we call our ISP and get a new IP before we pick up a new client.
That is what makes us the strongest.
We also offer discounts when you buy a monthly contract on submissions.
$20 hand
$25 hand + auto submissions
$30 hand + auto + SE submissions
All daily.
$100 discount when you purchase a months worth of any of these packages.
Buy a month and we will also get you a great deal on cheap domain names.
Our system is what works. We have several computers setup on our cable networks, when you become one of our clients you get a personal computer dedicated to submitting just your stuff.
These computers all have their own IPs and if we ever stop working for a client we call our ISP and get a new IP before we pick up a new client.
Our system is what works. We have several computers setup on our cable networks, when you become one of our clients you get a personal computer dedicated to submitting just your stuff.
These computers all have their own IPs and if we ever stop working for a client we call our ISP and get a new IP before we pick up a new client.
I really beg to differ that you are "THE STRONGEST".
Look even we at handsubmission.net are new boys on the block and we do have a lot of respect for GSS.
And to be honest, I hardly would call your company's approach being "THE STRONGEST". That is a claim that ONLY YOUR CLIENTS can say about you.
Your approach is nothing new and can be replicated easily and there is NO SUCH THING AS AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE IF IT WORKS; it can be easily replicated.
Let me be very honest with you; I think you are saying that you have 30 computers if you have 30 clients. Let us go one step further, lets say you got 100 clients, I LIKE TO SEE YOUR OFFICE THEN. I am NOT sure where the heck you are going to be getting 100 computers when rentals, computers costs etc are all high in comparison to your margins.
I mean look we at HandSubmission.Net have low overheads plus low manpower cost because we have cost centres based overseas and we have a computer for every guy but we also only put 2-3 clients to a guy NOT 100 computers for 100 customers.
Jesus Christ, somehow, I think you HAVE NOT THOUGHT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN OUT if you are saying that you will be dedicating 1 COMPUTER to EVERY CLIENT, plus IP changing etc or else YOU ARE NOT BEING HONEST WITH US.
Look cable lets say cost 50 bucks, lets say your MANPOWER COST 400 BUCKS that is 450 right up front. Let say a computer depreciates at 100 bucks per month PER COMPUTER, that is 550. I don't know about you, but this approach is either not feasible if you are going to be placing 550 bucks without seeing a dime yet.
flyingco and the other submission services: if you like I could set you guys up with a gateway you have yer systems pass thru that would send completely random info each submit. including using a few hundred ips all from diff class c's
I really beg to differ that you are "THE STRONGEST".
Look even we at handsubmission.net are new boys on the block and we do have a lot of respect for GSS.
And to be honest, I hardly would call your company's approach being "THE STRONGEST". That is a claim that ONLY YOUR CLIENTS can say about you.
Your approach is nothing new and can be replicated easily and there is NO SUCH THING AS AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE IF IT WORKS; it can be easily replicated.
Let me be very honest with you; I think you are saying that you have 30 computers if you have 30 clients. Let us go one step further, lets say you got 100 clients, I LIKE TO SEE YOUR OFFICE THEN. I am NOT sure where the heck you are going to be getting 100 computers when rentals, computers costs etc are all high in comparison to your margins.
I mean look we at HandSubmission.Net have low overheads plus low manpower cost because we have cost centres based overseas and we have a computer for every guy but we also only put 2-3 clients to a guy NOT 100 computers for 100 customers.
Jesus Christ, somehow, I think you HAVE NOT THOUGHT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN OUT if you are saying that you will be dedicating 1 COMPUTER to EVERY CLIENT, plus IP changing etc or else YOU ARE NOT BEING HONEST WITH US.
Look cable lets say cost 50 bucks, lets say your MANPOWER COST 400 BUCKS that is 450 right up front. Let say a computer depreciates at 100 bucks per month PER COMPUTER, that is 550. I don't know about you, but this approach is either not feasible if you are going to be placing 550 bucks without seeing a dime yet.
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Originally posted by nuclei flyingco and the other submission services: if you like I could set you guys up with a gateway you have yer systems pass thru that would send completely random info each submit. including using a few hundred ips all from diff class c's
We aren't cheating anyone and to be honest we do not need to use proxy tunneling for this. Btw, if you want to talk about proxy tunneling for anything feel free to hit us up; we develop software that uses proxy tunnelings.
Not a matter of cheating anyone =)
We are talking about hand submitting here right? and I assume you guys follow the tgp's rules about submits.
But when you are submitting sites for 100 diff people and each should use a diff ip, then you need to use something that allows you to do so at the least cost per customer.
Also proxy tunneling is not going to pass off the other data such as machine name, etc
Originally posted by nazgul Is it worth the money to pay for handsubmitters????
isn't it cheaper to use auto-submitters. Sure you may still have to hand submitt to some sites, but it won't cost you $20 per day.
Naz
Pros and Cons of handsubmitters vs auto-submitters.
Auto-submissions are great if you want to submit to volume TGPs, however, auto-submissions are very much prone to people abusing it just like any tool. Most big TGPs do not accept auto-submission because of that. Pro, you can submit to heck of a lot of sites without much problems. Con, you don't get much traffic because of it, IN COMPARISION IF YOU WERE TO HANDSUBMIT.
Hand Submission is a tedious process because of manpower cost. It is a time consuming process which requires time even if you are using Robo Form etc. Pro: You are able to get quality traffic and huge amount of traffic by submitting to the bigger TGPs because you are respecting their rules. Con: Time consuming.
Why not auto submit and handsubmit?
You definitely can and there is no stopping you from doing it. In fact, I would say go for it. But how much is your time worth to you? This is menial LABOR. And if you are running paysites, doing AVS sites etc, that 1 hour per day or 2 can make a lot of difference to your bottom line. How much can you make with a Gallery submission per day? I would say anywhere between 5 bucks to 1,000 bucks per day. But seldom on the high end. You are probably on the low end. Gallery submissions aren't the best way you should as a webmaster be making money although there is money to be made. Paysites, AVS sites are all easier ways to make money and spend time on in my opinion. Think about it. Is your time worth more working on something more profitable? I think yes.
Originally posted by JackFoley The funny thing is, I don't think DH or his crew even need to change their IPs, since the big TGPs they submit to know the gallery is coming from GSS.
I concur. I give full respect to DH and his crew and that is why we are giving DH and crew a run for their money.
Yeah I am sure it would be been the most powerful.
-Nato
dont make us go through with it there buddy
also worth noting that if something seen or advertised on gfy is "working" you can bet on a half dozen clones within a couple months.. . Something to consider for the people with new ideas.
also worth noting that if something seen or advertised on gfy is "working" you can bet on a half dozen clones within a couple months.. . Something to consider for the people with new ideas.
This business is low margin and I sincerely doubt that many people will go into this. There are better ways to make money.
The only reason why we are doing this is because our cost centres is based in eastern europe where we pay our guys very little. My guys are working for about 400 USD per month which means margins are very low. Sure you can use school kids who will work for cheaper etc, but look you aren't getting the attention you need.
While if you were working with us, You are assured that you are dealing with IT professionals who have formal training and at least understand what is required; not some small kid doing it. You are assured committment and quality which is what backs our service at least. The market is limited and like I said the margins are better if you did other stuff. I happen to have many guys that is all.
Damn I knew I should have patented this idea. Hehe I could have been charging royalties. Its amazing over the past 2 months how many people have decided to copy my idea and get into the gallery submit service game. Oh well it doesn't really have an affect on my business but I guess in a couple of months we will see who is still around.
Darren I will contact you a little bit later, it is my b-day today and I am going to go car shopping with Magnus.
Originally posted by DrinkingHard Damn I knew I should have patented this idea. Hehe I could have been charging royalties. Its amazing over the past 2 months how many people have decided to copy my idea and get into the gallery submit service game. Oh well it doesn't really have an affect on my business but I guess in a couple of months we will see who is still around.
Darren I will contact you a little bit later, it is my b-day today and I am going to go car shopping with Magnus.
Thanks
DH
P.S. Thanks for all the kind recommendations.
Actually DH, I did come up with the idea earlier when I outsourced my first gallery post about 2 years ago. But never had time to get around to it until now. And we aren't a clone. I can verify it because we paid someone to do it then. Heck this is a no brainer actually. But with due respect given you are the first to advertise it here and hence you are considered the father of this service.
DrinkingHard, You always impressed me with your level of professionalism until I read this thread. But hell, who the am I? Funny how egos come through in some messages:
Originally posted by DrinkingHard
[B]Damn I knew I should have patented this idea. Hehe I could have been charging royalties. Its amazing over the past 2 months how many people have decided to copy my idea and get into the gallery submit service game.
There were people who were doing this well over 2 years ago.
Oh well it doesn't really have an affect on my business but I guess in a couple of months we will see who is still around.
I really beg to differ that you are "THE STRONGEST".
Look even we at handsubmission.net are new boys on the block and we do have a lot of respect for GSS.
And to be honest, I hardly would call your company's approach being "THE STRONGEST". That is a claim that ONLY YOUR CLIENTS can say about you.
Your approach is nothing new and can be replicated easily and there is NO SUCH THING AS AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE IF IT WORKS; it can be easily replicated.
Let me be very honest with you; I think you are saying that you have 30 computers if you have 30 clients. Let us go one step further, lets say you got 100 clients, I LIKE TO SEE YOUR OFFICE THEN. I am NOT sure where the heck you are going to be getting 100 computers when rentals, computers costs etc are all high in comparison to your margins.
I mean look we at HandSubmission.Net have low overheads plus low manpower cost because we have cost centres based overseas and we have a computer for every guy but we also only put 2-3 clients to a guy NOT 100 computers for 100 customers.
Jesus Christ, somehow, I think you HAVE NOT THOUGHT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN OUT if you are saying that you will be dedicating 1 COMPUTER to EVERY CLIENT, plus IP changing etc or else YOU ARE NOT BEING HONEST WITH US.
Look cable lets say cost 50 bucks, lets say your MANPOWER COST 400 BUCKS that is 450 right up front. Let say a computer depreciates at 100 bucks per month PER COMPUTER, that is 550. I don't know about you, but this approach is either not feasible if you are going to be placing 550 bucks without seeing a dime yet.
I don't know about you guys, but I smell a rat.
-Nato
Nice flame, but if you'd contact me personally I will put you in contact with any of our customers and you can see what they have to say about our service, before we go knocking it.
we usually like to work with and team up with our competition, passing clients when someone needs one, etc...
But you seem to want to eat at your competition, and knock it. That is fine.
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Originally posted by DrinkingHard Damn I knew I should have patented this idea. Hehe I could have been charging royalties. Its amazing over the past 2 months how many people have decided to copy my idea and get into the gallery submit service game. Oh well it doesn't really have an affect on my business but I guess in a couple of months we will see who is still around.
Darren I will contact you a little bit later, it is my b-day today and I am going to go car shopping with Magnus.
Thanks
DH
P.S. Thanks for all the kind recommendations.
You didn't invent anything.
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Nice flame, but if you'd contact me personally I will put you in contact with any of our customers and you can see what they have to say about our service, before we go knocking it.
we usually like to work with and team up with our competition, passing clients when someone needs one, etc...
But you seem to want to eat at your competition, and knock it. That is fine.
Look it was a serious thing, you don't go around claiming you are THE STRONGEST because of something which is clearly untrue. Because at any time anyone can replicate it. This is about service. As for knocking your service, it wasn't knocking. It was questioning your business model which is clearly not thought out. Look the test is in the pudding. It is clearly not possible to have 100 clients and have 100 computers with 100 IPs. It just isn't feasible and if you cannot take it that I pointed out something that is true then it is your problem. I am calling it as I see it.
Look it was a serious thing, you don't go around claiming you are THE STRONGEST because of something which is clearly untrue. Because at any time anyone can replicate it. This is about service. As for knocking your service, it wasn't knocking. It was questioning your business model which is clearly not thought out. Look the test is in the pudding. It is clearly not possible to have 100 clients and have 100 computers with 100 IPs. It just isn't feasible and if you cannot take it that I pointed out something that is true then it is your problem. I am calling it as I see it.
-Nato
We don't have 100 clients. We don't claim to have a hundred clients.
Alright, maybe not the strongest, that seems to be you. But we run an honest business.
And that is what matters.
I do not care to post how our business is run in detail on a messageboard, that is no ones business but mine and my clients.
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Originally posted by Dusen DrinkingHard, You always impressed me with your level of professionalism until I read this thread. But hell, who the am I? Funny how egos come through in some messages:
Hmmm... Well Dusen why did you choose the name www.gallerysubmit.com? When I have the name www.gallerysubmitservice.com??? Are you trying to steal my SE traffic or just trying to get people confused so they will think you are affiliated with me and you will get my table scraps.
Yep, I have an ego because I know I have the best service... I don't have to drastically undercut my rates because I know what my traffic is worth... And I have the stats to back it up.
Originally posted by DrinkingHard
Hmmm... Well Dusen why did you choose the name www.gallerysubmit.com? When I have the name www.gallerysubmitservice.com??? Are you trying to steal my SE traffic or just trying to get people confused so they will think you are affiliated with me and you will get my table scraps.
That's it, keep flexing your muscles. You look great in that mirror!
Because, I mean I would never choose a domain for gallery submissions "gallerysubmit.com", unless I was copying you, right?
I was not trying to start a fight. You seem to be. I've always wished everyone well, even you. When I have been full, I point clients to you, because I know you do good work.
Originally posted by flyingco
It is clearly not possible to have 100 clients and have 100 computers with 100 IPs. It just isn't feasible and if you cannot take it that I pointed out something that is true then it is your problem.
Sure it is.
Think it over again.
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