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[Mutt]

um.............Adult Legal doesn't carry the Gag Factor series nor the 'The Violation of.........' series. Both of these series are among the top video titles in the adult video biz.

Who sold you a license for those movies, moreover a license to resell it in a leased plugin?

[Plugger]

Mutt,

What site has the content in question, inquiring mind wouldlike to know?

[Trax]

maybe http://www.hostedcontent.com/

[cafeaulait]

Originally posted by Mutt
um.............Adult Legal doesn't carry the Gag Factor series nor the 'The Violation of.........' series. Both of these series are among the top video titles in the adult video biz.

Who sold you a license for those movies, moreover a license to resell it in a leased plugin?

Joe don't buy from Adult Legal...... he's just well connected.
I'll give him a shout and see if I can get him on.

G

[Mutt]

unless he's well connected to Jeff S he's up shit's creek without a paddle. but i ain't saying they've done anything wrong because i don't know, i just know Jeff doesn't license, possible there's some deal i don't know about - but doubtful.

[Darren]

hey where do u come off coming to a board and posting shit like that? Why don't you first make some attempts to contact him? His ICQ is on his site and he is available most of the time...

Excellent service and feeds and that is without me paying him a penny yet.


ICQ 5956902

[cafeaulait]

Yes, it does tend to be "board first, questions later.."" these days, its a real shame.

Joe's a real good guy I've been using his feeds for months.

G

[notjoe]

Originally posted by Mutt
um.............Adult Legal doesn't carry the Gag Factor series nor the 'The Violation of.........' series. Both of these series are among the top video titles in the adult video biz.

Who sold you a license for those movies, moreover a license to resell it in a leased plugin?

I deal directly with legend and many other studios and not with middleman.

Yes legend sold some of the JM Production line but they still own some of the titles.

Joe

[Darren]

Originally posted by cafeaulait
Yes, it does tend to be "board first, questions later.."" these days, its a real shame.

Joe's a real good guy I've been using his feeds for months.

G

too true.

[cafeaulait]

"Both of these series are among the top video titles in the adult video biz."

And they are both running in full-length, 640x480 full-screen glory on my site!!!!

Thanks for the compliment Mutt

[Mutt]

Legend owns those JM Production titles?

hey like i said maybe there is some other deal in place I don' t know about

[notjoe]

Originally posted by Mutt
Legend owns those JM Production titles?

hey like i said maybe there is some other deal in place I don' t know about

JM owns a few titles which legend sold off to them. I'll double check it out on monday. Took the gag factor stuff off till then. If you're right im goign to kick me some stockboy ass for not keeping the DVDS seperated.

As for the "The Violation of" i am sure legend does own that line still since they ship us them/release new ones.

Joe

[Mutt]

You know damn well who owns Gag Factor and who doesn't.
You uploaded the fucking boxcovers, where did you see the Legend Video logo on the Gag Factor box covers? Does JM(Jeff Mike) Productions logo look anything like Legend Video?

dude i've seen this movie a thousand times before, you know what you did, blaming an idiot stockboy isn't going to save anybody's ass.

You also put your customers into an unfortunate position legally.

[p00p]

Originally posted by notjoe


JM owns a few titles which legend sold off to them. I'll double check it out on monday. Took the gag factor stuff off till then. If you're right im goign to kick me some stockboy ass for not keeping the DVDS seperated.
Joe

[Mutt]

exactly.

this whole movie stealing thing is out of control. every time i post about this stuff i get emails from people in Los Angeles asking me to call them. they think i'm some kind of expert on this shit...........i tell them i'm not, what i'm an expert at is recognizing thieves.

and as far as I know, 'The Violation of' series is also owned lock stock and barrel by JM Productions.

Because some fucking little video store you work for joe gets shipped JM product by Legend Video you just take it upon yourself to conclude that Legend owns those JM videos?

You gotta be kidding me, how the movies are distributed has nothing to do with who OWNS the movies.

Do you think the rest of us wouldn't love to lease a GAG FACTOR plugin? I could build a whole friggin paysite around that title and make big bank with it. I know somebody who actually went to JM and begged to do it but they weren't interested, they want it for themselves.

[JayJay]

I know exactly what your talking about!

[Just Mike]

Originally posted by Mutt
exactly.

this whole movie stealing thing is out of control. every time i post about this stuff i get emails from people in Los Angeles asking me to call them. they think i'm some kind of expert on this shit...........i tell them i'm not, what i'm an expert at is recognizing thieves.

and as far as I know, 'The Violation of' series is also owned lock stock and barrel by JM Productions.

Because some fucking little video store you work for joe gets shipped JM product by Legend Video you just take it upon yourself to conclude that Legend owns those JM videos?

You gotta be kidding me, how the movies are distributed has nothing to do with who OWNS the movies.

Do you think the rest of us wouldn't love to lease a GAG FACTOR plugin? I could build a whole friggin paysite around that title and make big bank with it. I know somebody who actually went to JM and begged to do it but they weren't interested, they want it for themselves.

First, I gotta say I hate scumbag thieves that rip off content! Unfortunately for us Content providers that's the name of the game and it should be up to us to deal with anyone ripping off our shit.

That said, I'm curious Mutt...I don't know you and I'm not trying to stir up shit with you...so for God sake don't take this personally...

but do you own a stake in JM productions? Do you own any of the material that you claim this guy allegedly "stole"? 'Cause if you don't own it then it seems to me that you should let the owners of the material go after this dude not you. If you want to police peoples product why not call JM productions and alert them rather then going on the board and potentially fucking this guys business up without knowing the whole story or giving him a chance to make it right? Just a thought.

[Mutt]

why would i do that?

if i see a thief, i say 'there's a thief'. So everybody knows that guy is a thief, so if by chance another person is reading this board or any other board i post on they can check out that person. I think you are suggesting these things should be kept in private. Why?

Do you want to know why there is so much thievery of content? Because everybody looks away and could give a rat's ass whose getting ripped off ........UNTIL IT'S THEIR TURN!

And pretty soon the days of looking the other way are going to be over, because a guy like Norm Zadeh has the balls and money to take on the thieves and those who 'look the other way'.

How does this affect me? Honest hard working webmasters who want to invest in their Internet business come to me everyday looking to buy custom photos and video. And my heart breaks for some of these guys, they want to buy content but when I tell them how much it will cost many have to say no, they tell me they are working two jobs, a regular one and their Internet business, and they want to succeed badly. And I'm not charging a whole heck of alot for the quality of work my guys are shooting - no not the $450 per photoset I see SexEntertain charging people, try $150.

So after I see how hard people like this work, and the investment they are making or trying to make, when I go out and surf the adult Net and see the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars being made by thieves it pisses me right off. And if i see a thief i will call him a thief.

And when I work with companies in L.A. who want to bring thier content online I want them to get their fair shot and not have to compete with thieves who are making millions with the products they worked and paid to create.

I don't know JM Productions from Adam.

You carry on Mike looking the other way, that's your call.

The content people in this business get the short end of the stick.
When an affiliate program is caught ripping off webmasters, the board is filled with righteous indignation - NAME THEM! everybody cries..........because they want to know who's crooked so they don't ripped off. But when a content company is found to be crooked you believe it's best to keep it private. Nice.

[Just Mike]

Originally posted by Mutt
why would i do that?

if i see a thief, i say 'there's a thief'. So everybody knows that guy is a thief, so if by chance another person is reading this board or any other board i post on they can check out that person. I think you are suggesting these things should be kept in private. Why?

Do you want to know why there is so much thievery of content? Because everybody looks away and could give a rat's ass whose getting ripped off ........UNTIL IT'S THEIR TURN!

And pretty soon the days of looking the other way are going to be over, because a guy like Norm Zadeh has the balls and money to take on the thieves and those who 'look the other way'.

How does this affect me? Honest hard working webmasters who want to invest in their Internet business come to me everyday looking to buy custom photos and video. And my heart breaks for some of these guys, they want to buy content but when I tell them how much it will cost many have to say no, they tell me they are working two jobs, a regular one and their Internet business, and they want to succeed badly. And I'm not charging a whole heck of alot for the quality of work my guys are shooting - no not the $450 per photoset I see SexEntertain charging people, try $150.

So after I see how hard people like this work, and the investment they are making or trying to make, when I go out and surf the adult Net and see the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars being made by thieves it pisses me right off. And if i see a thief i will call him a thief.

And when I work with companies in L.A. who want to bring thier content online I want them to get their fair shot and not have to compete with thieves who are making millions with the products they worked and paid to create.

I don't know JM Productions from Adam.

You carry on Mike looking the other way, that's your call.

The content people in this business get the short end of the stick.
When an affiliate program is caught ripping off webmasters, the board is filled with righteous indignation - NAME THEM! everybody cries..........because they want to know who's crooked so they don't ripped off. But when a content company is found to be crooked you believe it's best to keep it private. Nice.

Mutt,

I think you have some VERY valid points...and I DO agree with much of what you said. I'm not saying turn the other cheek by any means. Afterall, like all providers, our content has been ripped off too...many times.

What I was trying to get at is that until all the details are laid out and until one knows the entire story, no summary judgement should be made against a company or individual. I've seen many an instance where it's a case of miscommunication or just an honest fuck up.

Sure, fine, Got to town on a guy or company once they have been proven to be thieves...in fact, I'll join you and anyone else who has proven that some dickhead has been stealing stuff. But, I strongly feel that you are innocent until proven guilty.


As for our custom shoot pricing for $450 and yours being $150 I hope thats not a "pot shot" at us or something. Ultimately, webmasters can choose whom they wish to get their custom content from. If they think that they can get better quality and quantity for less so be it. But I think when they do a comparison of content providers they will see they are comparing apples and oranges.

[Mutt]

well...........if you weren't taking a pot shot at me then i wasn't taking a pot shot at you

i'm not looking to start pisses, i'm looking to clean up the landscape a little of all the thievery going on out there so content companies like yours, mine and all the others who are out there and will be joining in can have thier fair chance at success.

This is not an ever expanding market we're all marketing to. A dollar that goes into a thief's pocket is a dollar that isn't going into your pocket Mike.

I wouldn't have said anything about the Gag Factor etc movies being on HostedContent illegally if I didn't know what i was talking about - even then, if you look at my first post, I didn't call anybody a thief. I asked if anybody had sold them a license for those movies. All he had to do is say 'Yes I have a license to sell those movies'. Instead he said that he is in bed with Legend Video so trust him he has all rights to not only display them on his website but he can also resell them to webmasters.

There is no 'rest of the story' here. Anybody who is familiar with the adult video industry, and this guy has on many occassions on this board talked about his partners being retailers/distributors of
video product. You would have to be a friggin moron not to know what video content you do and do not have a license to resell on the Internet. There are no mixups when it comes to that kind of thing, no 'oh i thought since Legend Video ships JM Productions DVD's to our store in the same box that must mean I can lease those movies too'. Any responsible businessman would check to see if he had the legal right to resell something. Usually on a piece of paper.

There are lots more stories to be told another day.

Like I said I don't know anybody at JM Productions but I assume that one day soon just like Extreme Associates who will have their leased feeds out soon JM will come out with products. They have a right to come into a field where Gag Factor is something special and hasn't been leased illegally for a year by somebody like HostedContent or available to hundreds of thousands of web surfers on Adult Bouncer and DeluxePass. Let the web surfers find that stuff on Kazaa and Morpheus until JM Productions gets their stuff together. The legit adult web and video companies should be looking out for each other. If not, who will? Nobody.

AVN should have been all over this stuff a year ago. They are supposed to be the publication of record representing the adult video industry. They owe every penny they've made to the guys and girls who risk their health, their freedom, churning out thousands of sex videos for fun and profit. AVN knows how much theft is going on, they have AVNOnline which covers the Adult Internet. Why don't they blow the whistle on anybody?

One guy out there in the wilderness - Norm Zadeh.

I know how outta touch some of the video companies are when it comes to the Net. I could slap together website overnight knowing the chances of ever being caught are minimal - but i don't cuz it's wrong and immoral.

[Just Mike]

Mutt,

For the record...NO pot shots were taken at you by me. My first post on this subject was just my opinion and I tried to qualify it by saying "Please don't take it personal"

Ok, that parts put to rest (I hope)...As I said earlier...I agree with many of your points and believe it or not I'm on the same page with you. I also hope you don't think I'm defending this guy. I don't know what he did or didn't do...but from his response one can assume he isn't exactly being forthcoming about what happened.

As for AVN, I think you give those guys way too much credit. The AVN online isn't worth anything to our industry...it's always behind in information, offer no redeeming value to webmasters (even newbies). They think they have power over the adult internet just because they can influence the video side but if they disappeared tomorrow we'd still be making money and humming along without 'em.

[notjoe]

Mutt,

If you're trying to say i knock off all of my content and resell the feeds you're sadly mistaken. Dont you think we would have been shut down by now?

I didnt wake up one day and decide to start ripping content to resell it. There are a hell of a lot more DVDS which i would have knocked off first if that was the route i was going.

Clearly you have no idea about the history of JM/Legend and i suggest you go dig it up and then you might understand my point of view.

As for placing my customers in any sort of danger, you're completely out of line on that one. How could a customer of mine be held accountable if they store no content of mine on their servers?

Lets see, according to this you raised this big stink over some pictures on a website you thought were objectional because of the content it showed us as having, do you demand to see Proof-Of-AGE on any teen site you happen to surf?

You say that this is intentional, let me ask you something.. How many names does a studio release under? IF you have any sort of clue you would know, legend for example, releases dvds under more than just 1 Name, like Bi Productions for example.

[Mutt]

Originally posted by notjoe
Mutt,

If you're trying to say i knock off all of my content and resell the feeds you're sadly mistaken. Dont you think we would have been shut down by now?
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nope, i can point out probably fifty paysites and literally over a thousand AVS sites that do it and get away with it.
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I didnt wake up one day and decide to start ripping content to resell it. There are a hell of a lot more DVDS which i would have knocked off first if that was the route i was going.
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As for placing my customers in any sort of danger, you're completely out of line on that one. How could a customer of mine be held accountable if they store no content of mine on their servers?
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This has nothing to do with proof of age. If you knew anything about intellectual property law, which as somebody who is in the content business you should there is something called 'wilful infringement', meaning you knew the content wasn't yours to publish or sell and there is ......... i'm not a lawyer so it's either
'innocent' or 'unwilful' infringement. Unwilful infringement can happen when you buy content from somebody who tells you that
they are the owner or have the permission of the owner of the copyright but they really don't, they've misrepresented themselves. BOTH are wrong, wilful infringements carry the big fines and damages, unwilful ones get less.

Do you not remember a entity called 'Personal Porn'? It was a content plugin with pix and videos that they grabbed from a whole bunch of different content providers. Sweet Entertainment was one of them. When content providers found out and raised hell, Personal Porn cut deals with them which is how it usually goes down in these cases. But SEG wasn't going to take some penny ante settlement so they sued Personal Porn. And guess who else was named in their lawsuit? All the John Doe webmasters who had leased the Personal Porn plugin. If you'll notice there no longer is a Personal Porn and i'm not sure if any
of the individuals who made up that company are in the biz any more. That's what I meant by content providers exposing their customers to risk when they run afoul of things legally.
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Lets see, according to this you raised this big stink over some pictures on a website you thought were objectional because of the content it showed us as having, do you demand to see Proof-Of-AGE on any teen site you happen to surf?
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none of this had anything to do with proof of age. Where are you pulling that from? I am sure JM Productions keeps good records so that isnt even an issue.

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You say that this is intentional, let me ask you something.. How many names does a studio release under? IF you have any sort of clue you would know, legend for example, releases dvds under more than just 1 Name, like Bi Productions for example.

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dance dance dance. you tell that to a judge. everybody always has an excuse when they're wrong. What you didn't have for those videos was a license or any written or oral agreement that HostedContent had the right to use or sell them from the company that owns that material. Without a license you had no business leasing them. Videos can be released under different names under different logos, that's true,
but the fact is you didn't have a license or an agreement to publish or sell anything from JM Productions. And that's the logo on the box, and all you had to do was ask somebody at your company 'Am I alright selling these JM Production vids'. If Legend represented to you that you could sell JM Productions videos as content then you might be able to get a break in court. Legend wouldn't though. Who from Legend represented to you or your bosses that they were giving you the ok to resell the JM vids as web content?

[notjoe]

"I wouldn't have said anything about the Gag Factor etc movies being on HostedContent illegally if I didn't know what i was talking about - even then, if you look at my first post, I didn't call anybody a thief. I asked if anybody had sold them a license for those movies. All he had to do is say 'Yes I have a license to sell those movies'. Instead he said that he is in bed with Legend Video so trust him he has all rights to not only display them on his website but he can also resell them to webmasters."

Ask any person who has ever talked to me. I never once claimed i could resell legend's videos. I can STREAM them but providingn download access to the videos i do not do. You're just talking shit out of your ass.

Clearly you dont know because you never knew about the deal they had worked out before, so that just goes to show you.

"There is no 'rest of the story' here. Anybody who is familiar with the adult video industry, and this guy has on many occassions on this board talked about his partners being retailers/distributors of
video product. You would have to be a friggin moron not to know what video content you do and do not have a license to resell on the Internet."

And i dont know exactly what i'm selling? I am selling everything from feeds for your paysite to DVDS on a store. As for what i can and cannot sell content wise. I have a solid grip of what it is i can and cannot sell and i have never sold anyone anything i shouldnt have.

I want you to go find someone who i attempted to sell a legend title to as content they could use on their website and wasnt a streaming package offered by me. You said i have done this so someone must have told you.

"There are no mixups when it comes to that kind of thing, no 'oh i thought since Legend Video ships JM Productions DVD's to our store in the same box that must mean I can lease those movies too'. Any responsible businessman would check to see if he had the legal right to resell something. Usually on a piece of paper."

You're an idiot. If you think all of the porn studios release all of their product under one company name you're more dumb than i originally thought. Legend has about 5 or 6 different studio names they release their product under (another thing you dont seem to know) not to mention the fact that some of the companies do exchange rights to a DVD or the footage contained within it.

Why do you think you can buy a DVD from one studio and see the same footage packaged as something else on another studio's DVD? This is quite common.

"There are lots more stories to be told another day."

If there about me why dont we deal with it now and get it over and done with.

"Like I said I don't know anybody at JM Productions but I assume that one day soon just like Extreme Associates who will have their leased feeds out soon JM will come out with products. They have a right to come into a field where Gag Factor is something special and hasn't been leased illegally for a year by somebody like HostedContent or available to hundreds of thousands of web surfers on Adult Bouncer and DeluxePass. Let the web surfers find that stuff on Kazaa and Morpheus until JM Productions gets their stuff together. The legit adult web and video companies should be looking out for each other. If not, who will? Nobody."

Again, you're assuming that hundreds of thousands of people have access to download the video clips which reside on my server. You're mistaken about that my friend, everything is streamed. You will not find out clips out there. As for the deluxpass thing, well we do have a customer who has our stuff on his site he also pays for usage. This means that if what you said were true this guy would be in the hole to me for probably hundreds of thousands of dollars which i can assure you he is not.

"AVN should have been all over this stuff a year ago. They are supposed to be the publication of record representing the adult video industry. They owe every penny they've made to the guys and girls who risk their health, their freedom, churning out thousands of sex videos for fun and profit. AVN knows how much theft is going on, they have AVNOnline which covers the Adult Internet. Why don't they blow the whistle on anybody? "

Maybe because there is no whistle to blow with Hosted Content, as i've placed my site in their content list.

"nope, i can point out probably fifty paysites and literally over a thousand AVS sites that do it and get away with it. "

They're not in the public eye like i am. It is quite different running a paysite with stolen content than it is trying to provide video feeds of stolen content. You do not need to jump through a thousand hoops to contact us or serve court papers to us.

"dance dance dance. blah blah blah"

I'm not about to give you my contacts for free however it isnt like im a newb in the biz. You dont have a single clue as to anything which happens behind the sceens and that isnt any of your business.

Have you ever thought maybe i or someone i deal with might own rights to titles for certian countries and that is where the video is streamed from?

I like your first post..

"um.............Adult Legal doesn't carry the Gag Factor series nor the 'The Violation of.........' series. Both of these series are among the top video titles in the adult video biz.

Who sold you a license for those movies, moreover a license to resell it in a leased plugin?"

Looking to try and set up a little deal for yourself? It's all good i dont playa hate :P I do believe this is probably what this entire thread amounts to though.

You're just jumping the gun on absolutely everything with no proof at all. As far as i'm concerned i've dealt with your GFY politics and anyone who has real concern about how legit i am is more than welcome to contact me and they'll be fully adressed.

As for the DVDS Themself, sure they're nice but they're mearly a drop in the bucket in reflection to the amount of content i have.

Otherwise do what Mike says and inform JM.

PS: There are content police out there, apic monitors the internet for stolen content.

[BV]

Originally posted by Mutt
why would i do that?

if i see a thief, i say 'there's a thief'. So everybody knows that guy is a thief, so if by chance another person is reading this board or any other board i post on they can check out that person. I think you are suggesting these things should be kept in private. Why?

Do you want to know why there is so much thievery of content? Because everybody looks away and could give a rat's ass whose getting ripped off ........UNTIL IT'S THEIR TURN!

And pretty soon the days of looking the other way are going to be over, because a guy like Norm Zadeh has the balls and money to take on the thieves and those who 'look the other way'.

How does this affect me? Honest hard working webmasters who want to invest in their Internet business come to me everyday looking to buy custom photos and video. And my heart breaks for some of these guys, they want to buy content but when I tell them how much it will cost many have to say no, they tell me they are working two jobs, a regular one and their Internet business, and they want to succeed badly. And I'm not charging a whole heck of alot for the quality of work my guys are shooting - no not the $450 per photoset I see SexEntertain charging people, try $150.

So after I see how hard people like this work, and the investment they are making or trying to make, when I go out and surf the adult Net and see the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars being made by thieves it pisses me right off. And if i see a thief i will call him a thief.

And when I work with companies in L.A. who want to bring thier content online I want them to get their fair shot and not have to compete with thieves who are making millions with the products they worked and paid to create.

I don't know JM Productions from Adam.

You carry on Mike looking the other way, that's your call.

The content people in this business get the short end of the stick.
When an affiliate program is caught ripping off webmasters, the board is filled with righteous indignation - NAME THEM! everybody cries..........because they want to know who's crooked so they don't ripped off. But when a content company is found to be crooked you believe it's best to keep it private. Nice.

I couldn't agree more.

[Mutt]

Originally posted by notjoe
"I wouldn't have said anything about the Gag Factor etc movies being on HostedContent illegally if I didn't know what i was talking about - even then, if you look at my first post, I didn't call anybody a thief. I asked if anybody had sold them a license for those movies. All he had to do is say 'Yes I have a license to sell those movies'. Instead he said that he is in bed with Legend Video so trust him he has all rights to not only display them on his website but he can also resell them to webmasters."

Ask any person who has ever talked to me. I never once claimed i could resell legend's videos. I can STREAM them but providingn download access to the videos i do not do. You're just talking shit out of your ass.

Clearly you dont know because you never knew about the deal they had worked out before, so that just goes to show you.

"There is no 'rest of the story' here. Anybody who is familiar with the adult video industry, and this guy has on many occassions on this board talked about his partners being retailers/distributors of
video product. You would have to be a friggin moron not to know what video content you do and do not have a license to resell on the Internet."

And i dont know exactly what i'm selling? I am selling everything from feeds for your paysite to DVDS on a store. As for what i can and cannot sell content wise. I have a solid grip of what it is i can and cannot sell and i have never sold anyone anything i shouldnt have.

I want you to go find someone who i attempted to sell a legend title to as content they could use on their website and wasnt a streaming package offered by me. You said i have done this so someone must have told you.

"There are no mixups when it comes to that kind of thing, no 'oh i thought since Legend Video ships JM Productions DVD's to our store in the same box that must mean I can lease those movies too'. Any responsible businessman would check to see if he had the legal right to resell something. Usually on a piece of paper."

You're an idiot. If you think all of the porn studios release all of their product under one company name you're more dumb than i originally thought. Legend has about 5 or 6 different studio names they release their product under (another thing you dont seem to know) not to mention the fact that some of the companies do exchange rights to a DVD or the footage contained within it.

Why do you think you can buy a DVD from one studio and see the same footage packaged as something else on another studio's DVD? This is quite common.

"There are lots more stories to be told another day."

If there about me why dont we deal with it now and get it over and done with.

"Like I said I don't know anybody at JM Productions but I assume that one day soon just like Extreme Associates who will have their leased feeds out soon JM will come out with products. They have a right to come into a field where Gag Factor is something special and hasn't been leased illegally for a year by somebody like HostedContent or available to hundreds of thousands of web surfers on Adult Bouncer and DeluxePass. Let the web surfers find that stuff on Kazaa and Morpheus until JM Productions gets their stuff together. The legit adult web and video companies should be looking out for each other. If not, who will? Nobody."

Again, you're assuming that hundreds of thousands of people have access to download the video clips which reside on my server. You're mistaken about that my friend, everything is streamed. You will not find out clips out there. As for the deluxpass thing, well we do have a customer who has our stuff on his site he also pays for usage. This means that if what you said were true this guy would be in the hole to me for probably hundreds of thousands of dollars which i can assure you he is not.

"AVN should have been all over this stuff a year ago. They are supposed to be the publication of record representing the adult video industry. They owe every penny they've made to the guys and girls who risk their health, their freedom, churning out thousands of sex videos for fun and profit. AVN knows how much theft is going on, they have AVNOnline which covers the Adult Internet. Why don't they blow the whistle on anybody? "

Maybe because there is no whistle to blow with Hosted Content, as i've placed my site in their content list.

"nope, i can point out probably fifty paysites and literally over a thousand AVS sites that do it and get away with it. "

They're not in the public eye like i am. It is quite different running a paysite with stolen content than it is trying to provide video feeds of stolen content. You do not need to jump through a thousand hoops to contact us or serve court papers to us.

"dance dance dance. blah blah blah"

I'm not about to give you my contacts for free however it isnt like im a newb in the biz. You dont have a single clue as to anything which happens behind the sceens and that isnt any of your business.

Have you ever thought maybe i or someone i deal with might own rights to titles for certian countries and that is where the video is streamed from?

I like your first post..

"um.............Adult Legal doesn't carry the Gag Factor series nor the 'The Violation of.........' series. Both of these series are among the top video titles in the adult video biz.

Who sold you a license for those movies, moreover a license to resell it in a leased plugin?"

Looking to try and set up a little deal for yourself? It's all good i dont playa hate :P I do believe this is probably what this entire thread amounts to though.

You're just jumping the gun on absolutely everything with no proof at all. As far as i'm concerned i've dealt with your GFY politics and anyone who has real concern about how legit i am is more than welcome to contact me and they'll be fully adressed.

As for the DVDS Themself, sure they're nice but they're mearly a drop in the bucket in reflection to the amount of content i have.

Otherwise do what Mike says and inform JM.

PS: There are content police out there, apic monitors the internet for stolen content.

you are digging yourself a freakin hole the size of the Grand Canyon with your statements?

What you just suggested in front of a couple thousand webmasters on a public webmaster board that because your company might have distribution rights in one country that you took the giant fucking leap that you have the right to to sell streams of those movies on the Internet because your servers are in that territory you have distribution for?

I want you to go show me where the Canadian distributor for Anabolic, Diabolic, Evil Angel, any porn studio u can name has taken it upon himself to start reselling feeds on the Internet .

There isn't a porn studio stupid enough to give away Internet rights to a foreign distributor.

And don't bother giving me a lesson about how the adult video industry works. When a studio sells rights to another company to release a movie they're done with, slap a new title on it, rebrand it, the one thing you can bet on is that they are NOT selling any Internet resale rights on it unless it's pure and utter remainder bin crap that's 5 years old.

The more you talk the more doubt you create as to what Legend Video knows you are doing. Or did you just presume because you are a distributor in Canada for Legend that also came with Internet resale rights?

[notjoe]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mutt
[B]


"you are digging yourself a freakin hole the size of the Grand Canyon with your statements?"

I dont think so.

"What you just suggested in front of a couple thousand webmasters on a public webmaster board that because your company might have distribution rights in one country that you took the giant fucking leap that you have the right to to sell streams of those movies on the Internet because your servers are in that territory you have distribution for?"

No, that is not what i suggested that is you ASSUMING which makes an ass out of you and me. There are many ways to get technical with contracts but lets leave that for the lawyers since none of it apply here since that isnt the basis on which i am offering video content.

"I want you to go show me where the Canadian distributor for Anabolic, Diabolic, Evil Angel, any porn studio u can name has taken it upon himself to start reselling feeds on the Internet ."

I dont know if anyone has been innovative enough/had good enough relations with enough people to pull off what i am doing.

"There isn't a porn studio stupid enough to give away Internet rights to a foreign distributor."

You may or may not be right, i dont go assuming. My partners have grown up with the industry and know a lot of the owners of many of the studios and many directors/producers.

"And don't bother giving me a lesson about how the adult video industry works. When a studio sells rights to another company to release a movie they're done with, slap a new title on it, rebrand it, the one thing you can bet on is that they are NOT selling any Internet resale rights on it unless it's pure and utter remainder bin crap that's 5 years old."

It all depends on the contract now doesnt it? I am more opted to listen to people ive known for about 5-7 years and who have been in the business for over 20 years than listen to some punk on a chat board who thinks he knows everything and has to make shit up because he has no proof of anything.

"The more you talk the more doubt you create as to what Legend Video knows you are doing. Or did you just presume because you are a distributor in Canada for Legend that also came with Internet resale rights?"


If you have doubts you can always verify it with legend, that is your choice/right to do so. You wouldnt be the first to call and i'm sure you wont be the last but i do get enjoyment when i hear about things like this, it usually means i am on the right track!

BTW, I need a place to mail you a cheque because you've generated signups with these threads. Just give me a name and addy to send it to!

Joe

[jmproductions]

this guy joe from hosted content is one dumb asshole.legend does not own,nor has ever owned any of my productions.hosted content has been illeagly streaming my contect and they have been caught.i have never sold any content to anyone,so if you ever see any j.m. productions photos or m-pegs on any site other than jerkoffzone.com it has been stolen.be carefull who you deal with,because you may find yourself getting sued.your best bet is to go to the sourse direct.

[homegrownmof]

HAHA,

MUTT strikes again!!!!!!!!

Keep calling a spade a spade Mutt.

You need to figure out how to make $$$ from this.

Jeff,

Drop the hammer on these fuckers.

[jmproductions]

funny how that loud mouth joe has nothing to say now.stay away from this piece of shit and anything he has to do with and you should be able to keep yourself out of court.

[Mutt]

[jimmyf]

opps'e someone got's caught

[notjoe]

I've already explained everything, just follow the link below

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=101440