TGP2

[PornMeister]

Ok
I followed the posts about this and I'm thinking about making a few galleries.
My question is this:
Is the traffic worth it?
How much traffic can you expect when you submit to every tgp2 out there?

[B40]

Dont know if the traffic is worth it, but the idea is it's supposed to convert better than TGP.

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[Taz]

Honestly at this early stage, not massive amounts, but if the galleries are well made you should get good click thru's to the sponsors from the traffic. Now just use sponsors with good conversion rates :0

We've got a lot of things in the works for TGP2 and some of those are traffic deals to get this idea rockin' which we'll be announcing at the forum in Miami.

[ulfie]

There are a few benefits, check out http://www.porngang.com/tgp2.htm and scroll down to the bottom of the page to see what hosts and sponsers are offering. Taz is right, this is just the beginning.



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[Jer]

Remember, it's not about traffic quantity, it's about money in the bank

BTW, made my first teegeepeetwo gallery today

[magnatique]

yeah, I aggree traffic will be less, but I'm getting merely 200-500 hits a day to the gallery hehe... not gonna buy me a porshe

[Exxxotica]

TGP2 is a waste of your time.

You will spend more time than it's worth making the galleries and adding recips...only to get 10 visitors a day to your gallery. Sure it's better traffic...but at such a small amount...it's really not worth it. Your time could be spend better on other projects.

It's a great idea...but half the sites dont seem to want to put out the effort to even list your galleries.

I have found 1 site thus far that actually lists galleries and sends back more than 500 hits a day...

It's the guy who came up with this whole concept.
http://www.dailysexxx.com/

[Kimmykim]

Damn, last time I checked banks cashed checks not printed copies of counter stats...

The quantity versus quality argument has been going on forever and I don't think it will ever change.

I know people with 10K hits a day kicking serious ass in the bankroll department and there are those with a million uniques a day that do just as well.

Maybe some of you don't remember how the concepts of free hosts, consoles and even pay per join were derided as stupid and unworkable when they first were broached --

funny thing about this business is that things don't stay the same for long and the people that go ahead and try something new are the ones that usually seem to make it big...

[dynamite]

...and TGP1 is a waste of bandwidth. Why? A lot of TGP surfers are underage and without CC's. The same folks who search for cracks and warez. Thats why you need 20.000+ visitors to your gallery for 1 signup. On a good day of course... Who actually needs a paysite after seeing 500+ free pics a day. I completely agree with TGP2 webmasters - TGP1 is way too much free porn.

[Exxxotica]

Yeah...but Id rather have 10k of crap traffic that makes money Vs. 10 "quality" visitors that make me nothing

[Exxxotica]

Originally posted by dynamite:
...and TGP1 is a waste of bandwidth. Why? A lot of TGP surfers are underage and without CC's. The same folks who search for cracks and warez.

And I suppose that TGP2 will somehow "magicly" keep those visitors away. Free porn is Free porn wether it's 5 pics or 15.

[dynamite]

No, it won't keep them away, but you will burn less BW and get more signups.

[Exxxotica]

Originally posted by dynamite:
No, it won't keep them away, but you will burn less BW and get more signups.

Very True

[Muff]

Daily Uniques: Hour Today Month
Current 2 71 71
Forecast 2 102 3,176
Average 2 102 3,176

Thats from a dozen sites.

Definately needs time.

[ulfie]

All change goes through 3 phases:

First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is vehomently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as fact.

We are in stage 1 right now but we have put together a strong group that will see that we get to stage 3. See http://www.porngang.com/tgp2.htm for some of the people that have come on board so far.



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[pensfan]

Hey I have been watching this thing for awhile, and think it's a GREAT Idea, so I'm planning to convert my tgp to tgp2 here in the next day or so. Like you said, can't make money if you don't try new ideas

I'll need to get a hold of some galleries, is there a place to add my sites so I can get some?



[This message has been edited by pensfan (edited 08-11-2001).]

[pensfan]

Hey Exxxotica, the one thing I was thinking about this is that if they only give out teaser shots, it will keep the gov off your back, and make the surfer buy a membership to see the goodies. Something that gallery submitters should do anyway.

Worse thing that could happen is it doesn't work, and we try something else...

[pimplink]

Maybe the point behind TGP2 is that it is a marketing concept that realistically addresses the market segmentation of online adult entertainment.

As noted earlier, a huge chunk of TGP1 traffic consists of underage warez/free mp3/cracks fans or sophisticated adult users.
Either way this is "hardened" traffic that more and more TGP1 sites will work harder to convert, if at all.

TGP2, if promoted properly, is an approach that snares adult newbies to the internet or less "hardened" users. This is actually a greater proportion of the paying traffic.
The key behind TGP2 is to create a network of content that contains these users and converts them.

Bottom line, as conversion ratios increase and more gallery makers flood the market, the industry is in sore need of new ideas and TGP2 is one of them.

Originally posted by Exxxotica:
And I suppose that TGP2 will somehow "magicly" keep those visitors away. Free porn is Free porn wether it's 5 pics or 15.

[ulfie]

Believe me Pimplink that network is being built as we speak. The Hun can have the "hardened" surfers, we want the ones with limp dicks that need to pay to get it up.



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[Midnight]

We update our galleries several times a day. We are receiving 1500 uniques a day and growing. We have also just created a submitter that is for TGP2 sites only. It is free, and in beta at the moment.

If I can address any other concerns, please feel free to contact me at [email protected] or kandi at [email protected]

Regards,



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[Killerelf]

Here is a fucking question! How many fuckin galleries have you made in the past year? How much money have you REALLY made???? Probably little to nothing. You say "The Hun must make a lot of money every day." Bullshit. Let me tell you the Truth Get the fuck out of this business!!!! It will be the worst mistake of your life. How many troes can have 100K people walk into them and not buy a fucking thing. Its a bunch of bullshit. One day you will do good but watch out for the next day. You will be fucked, be it pop-ups or bad sponsor or hosting. If you are not established yet. Well grab the bigest dick you can find and stuff it in your ass. Because that is what it is going to feel like. I will eat your bandwith and keep your money. HA HA. The TGP2 was made to try and make up for the bullshit, you cant work with the shit. Trust me you are fucked... By the way submit to my TGP2 at http://www.zap-man.com/tgp/
I think its fun. You give me content I don't pay you!!!LOL You want me to pay for a top listing!!! I say you should pay me to be at the top!!!


This is funny SHIT I was drunk when I posted the above and I don't remember doing it!!LOL

[This message has been edited by Killerelf (edited 08-12-2001).]

[Midnight]

Entropy is a funny thing. It is the natural force that works upon all of us, like gravity. Throw a ball across a park, and it will naturally fall to earth at some given point due to natural laws that apply to those of us upon the face of the planet.

The preceding post is an exercise in entropy. One can choose to listen to this, as you must listen to all the questions that you each have each day about being succesful and transcending your current place in life.

Just as the ball falls to the earth due to our proximity of the gravitational force of the earth, so will the desire to give up and listen to the overwhelming voices like the one before this post. However, if you were to move yourself to outer space, gravity would no longer have any affect on that ball and the effort that you would use to throw a ball 100 meters on earth would propel that ball to infinite distances until affected by other gravitational forces in the universe.

Believe in yourself, do not give up, and do not let anyone tell you that you will fail.

It is the hard, that makes it great.

Rock On,



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[Exxxotica]

Originally posted by Killerelf:
Here is a fucking question! How many fuckin galleries have you made in the past year? How much money have you REALLY made???? Probably little to nothing. You say "The Hun must make a lot of money every day." Bullshit. Let me tell you the Truth Get the fuck out of this business!!!! It will be the worst mistake of your life. How many troes can have 100K people walk into them and not buy a fucking thing. Its a bunch of bullshit. One day you will do good but watch out for the next day. You will be fucked, be it pop-ups or bad sponsor or hosting. If you are not established yet. Well grab the bigest dick you can find and stuff it in your ass. Because that is what it is going to feel like. I will eat your bandwith and keep your money. HA HA. The TGP2 was made to try and make up for the bullshit, you cant work with the shit. Trust me you are fucked... By the way submit to my TGP2 at http://www.zap-man.com/tgp/
I think its fun. You give me content I don't pay you!!!LOL You want me to pay for a top listing!!! I say you should pay me to be at the top!!!

Angry are we?

[Andy]

well,
the TGP2 is a small community yet but the main point is that you do not need huge traffic to make a signup ! There were posted some stories about how succesful TGP2 is. Even with 1000 hits to a gallery it's not a problem to send 100 to a sponsor! And this is horny traffic willing to see more = signups !!
Exxxotica,
huh .. I didn't know I sent 500+ hits/day .. that's fine .. anyway I am working on it to send a bit higher ammount of horny traffic

PEACE

[wolfshade]

Our test gallery got 100 hits

It also made 3 signups

So it measures up like:

BW burned less then $ 2
Revenue: 3 x $ 35 = $105

Profit: = $ 105 - $ 2 = $ 103

Now you claim that's not worth your time?

For the record that was a very slick gallery.

We build 10 regular ones now(slapped together in 5 minutes per gallery)

And are running 1:64 ratio with it.

Need I say more?

Wolfshade


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[dynamite]

Our test gallery got 100 hits
It also made 3 signups

So it measures up like:

BW burned less then $ 2
Revenue: 3 x $ 35 = $105

Profit: = $ 105 - $ 2 = $ 103

Just one question... Can you imagine this with TGP1?

[Kimmykim]

"This is actually a greater proportion of the paying traffic."
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Paying traffic is where the money is, just in case anyone hadn't realized that as of yet -- combined, that is with figuring out that THE SURFER IS NOT YOUR FUCKING FRIEND!

Those that keep right on babying the bandwidth sucking, free loading, not going to buy the cow types should do just that!!! Let 'em stick to their old ways and let them weed out the crappy surfers that aren't going to buy anyway, leaving the ones who can be marketed into spending their money for the people willing to think about how to get that money.

Anything that makes conversion rates legitimately better is good, if you don't believe that then 12clicks is right, and competition has made you stupid rather than smart...

[ldinternet]

Originally posted by dynamite:
A lot of TGP surfers are underage and without CC's. The same folks who search for cracks and warez. Thats why you need 20.000+ visitors to your gallery for 1 signup.

I do more than 150k daily on galleries, and trust me I don't get anywhere near 7 signups per day.

At first I thought that TGP2 was complete bullshit, but it's looking interesting.

The problem as I see it is that already there are a few asshole tgp2 owners popping up. Some require recips, some don't, some want max 15 thumbs, some want max 20 thumbs, some need text links and some need recip buttons, and others want buttons instead of a text link if there are other buttons on the gallery, others want 3 buttons to other tgps, some just want their own text link, some don't want any hardcore and others don't want any softcore ... some have implemented partner submit ... you get the idea.

Where is the consistency here? I thought that this was supposed to be webmaster friendly?

Seems that some webmasters still work with their thumb up their ass!

[Mikey]

It was just a matter of time before that happened ldinternet.

[Xanobyte]

Originally posted by ldinternet:
Where is the consistency here? I thought that this was supposed to be webmaster friendly?

It's all falling apart man....



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[DamageX]

Originally posted by ldinternet:
I do more than 150k daily on galleries, and trust me I don't get anywhere near 7 signups per day.

At first I thought that TGP2 was complete bullshit, but it's looking interesting.

The problem as I see it is that already there are a few asshole tgp2 owners popping up. Some require recips, some don't, some want max 15 thumbs, some want max 20 thumbs, some need text links and some need recip buttons, and others want buttons instead of a text link if there are other buttons on the gallery, others want 3 buttons to other tgps, some just want their own text link, some don't want any hardcore and others don't want any softcore ... some have implemented partner submit ... you get the idea.

Where is the consistency here? I thought that this was supposed to be webmaster friendly?

Seems that some webmasters still work with their thumb up their ass!

Actually, we have a gallery pool, which we all use to pull galleries from, as fillers. My rules are not in any way deviant from the original ones agreed upon by everybody. I DO require a recip IF there are others on the gallery. Let's face it, would YOU list a gallery with 4 recips on it, none of them yours? Most will actually be happy to list clean galleries. Let's put it this way, make a gallery with 15 thumbs, of which 5 are linked. Don't put any recips on it and submit it to everybody. If it looks good and it's not overused stuff, you'll get listed by all of them. Simple, eh?


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[V_RocKs]

There is traffic and it is growing all the time.

[xxxice]

Might work