Warning: PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE unserious

[The Duck]

Hit this guy up for a simple job, integrate a simple template into TGP Rotator, perharps 20 minutes of work for a good coder?

Sent him the files and the login info to get starter and waited. I waited 4 days without hearing a word, then he came back and said he had a busy week. Actually I did hear from someone who asked me if you could trust this coder because he had waited for days without hearing anything and he already paid, I said I dont know. Waited another few days and today I ask him if he is going to do it or I will have to find someone else and he says he told me to find someone else three days ago which is not true.

Watch out for this guy.


EDIT: So unserious is not a word, sorry translated directly from swedish without checking it..

[PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE]

Kandah, you just admitted on ICQ that I told you to find someone else because I didn't have the time to do yours.

Grow up, please.

[jact]

Why can't you do it? That's hardly a job for a coder?

[PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE]

Not only that, but you hadn't paid me, and if you had, I would have refunded it at the same time as I told you I couldn't do it.

Grow up.

[PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE]

Why can't you do it? That's hardly a job for a coder?

Yeah I know it's not a hard job to do, nor does it take very long, but I had other customers to finish. First come, first served...it's only fair.

If I bumped everyone's work ahead just because they asked, nothing would ever get done, and people would be even more mad.

In this case, the lesser evil was to tell him I couldn't do his, and keep the older, existing clients happy.

Sorry, Kandah, but you and I both know damned well that I told you I couldn't do it. You are just mad because you were the one that I couldn't do the work for.

[jact]

Yeah I know it's not a hard job to do, nor does it take very long, but I had other customers to finish. First come, first served...it's only fair.

If I bumped everyone's work ahead just because they asked, nothing would ever get done, and people would be even more mad.

In this case, the lesser evil was to tell him I couldn't do his, and keep the older, existing clients happy.

Sorry, Kandah, but you and I both know damned well that I told you I couldn't do it.

I wasn't talking to you.

[PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE]

And as far as me having your files, I don't have your files. I reformatted yesterday and I didn't keep your TEMPLATE because it wasn't something I was going to use, because I TOLD YOU I COULDN'T DO IT.

Oh the stress of you!

[fallenmuffin]

Mycket snack, lite verkstad.

Good luck on your hunt for a dependable coder.

[adultchica]

Good luck with that

[TheSenator]

low-level drama

[PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE]

drama rating 1 / 10.

move along.

low-level drama

No kidding...It's just some guy complaining that I don't have time to take on his project.

Waste of GFY's resources.

[fetishblog]

This is some unserious drama!

[marcjacob]

Why drop a job like that though? That would take 10 minutes or less. Seems odd to me that you didnt just do the job and keep his $$$'s. Not as if it would take long, or are you dropping alot of lower level clients like this?

[OG LennyT]

Hit this guy up for a simple job, integrate a simple template into TGP Rotator, perharps 20 minutes of work for a good coder?

Sent him the files and the login info to get starter and waited. I waited 4 days without hearing a word, then he came back and said he had a busy week. Actually I did hear from someone who asked me if you could trust this coder because he had waited for days without hearing anything and he already paid, I said I dont know. Waited another few days and today I ask him if he is going to do it or I will have to find someone else and he says he told me to find someone else three days ago which is not true.

Watch out for this guy.


EDIT: So unserious is not a word, sorry translated directly from swedish without checking it..

it's called karma, asshat

[pornpf69]

let me place my sig on the bottom of this thread to close it....hheheh

[CyberHustler]

**cough**

[woj]

no money changed hands = no drama...

until you pay for the job or put down a deposit you are in the "getting a quote" stage...

[k0nr4d]

Why drop a job like that though? That would take 10 minutes or less. Seems odd to me that you didnt just do the job and keep his $$$'s. Not as if it would take long, or are you dropping alot of lower level clients like this?

Let me start off by saying I've never so much as spoken to PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE, as far as im concerned he's a fellow programmer and im sure runs into alot of the same issues all of us do. But speaking personally, I hate those 10 minute jobs and only take them on if I really need the money or i need a change in what i'm working on. On the one hand its beer money, but on the other it takes your attention off a larger project you may be doing, and its like calling a plumber to plunge your toilet.

[themonk]

heh post some icq logs or somethjing

[PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE]

heh post some icq logs or somethjing

Hehe, only if I can put add the director's commentary...

Conversation with 41555245 at 2/27/2007 4:09:13 PM on 88990969 (icq)
(4:09:13 PM) 41555245: hello
(4:09:37 PM) 41555245: okay you dont seem to be serious at all, please delete the files I sent you someone else is getting my work and im posting about you on gfy

Uh.... what?

(4:09:55 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: i told you to find someone else the other day when you asked
(4:10:09 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: you asked me like three days ago
(4:10:13 PM) 41555245: no you did not

Uh... yeah I did...

(4:10:17 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: umm... yes i did
(4:10:29 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: i know i did cause you didn't even answer i thought you were mad
(4:12:02 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: hello?
(4:12:04 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: see same thing again

I think he remembers at this point... The 2.5 minute pause is probably him looking through his logs, seeing me telling him to get someone else, and thinking about how he can deny it at this point...

(4:12:13 PM) 41555245: nevermind
(4:12:19 PM) 41555245: im posting on gfy anyway

Paraphrases to "I don't care; I'm pissed and reject this reality!"

...Have fun, you just admitted that you know I told you and just don't care...

(4:12:25 PM) 41555245: you are not serious at all
(4:12:27 PM) 41555245: and I hate that
(4:12:36 PM) 41555245: this job perharps would have taken you 20 minutes to do

Yep, would have been a quick half-hour job, but also a huge distraction, and it isn't fair to put you ahead of other customers 'just because'.

(4:13:05 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: Well at least you didn't lose any money in it, right?
(4:13:37 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: all too often i see posts about people running off with cash before they're done the work
(4:13:53 PM) 41555245: I dont care dude you wasted my time
(4:13:57 PM) 41555245: time = money

but.. but... i told you i couldn't do it...?

(4:14:07 PM) 41555245: and you have my files

Uh..... what files?
Ladies and gentlemen, it was a gallery template. in html and jpg form. There wasn't a PSD or any source. He sent me nothing I couldn't get by browsing to his TGP.

(4:17:57 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: it's a template
(4:18:06 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: and i reformatted yesterday anyways
(4:18:09 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: so i dont even have it
(4:18:20 PM) PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE: i didnt back it up because i TOLD YOU i could do it

He doesn't respond to logic. He comes to GFY and complains about my bad business sense.

Exeunt.

[PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE]

Why drop a job like that though? That would take 10 minutes or less. Seems odd to me that you didnt just do the job and keep his $$$'s. Not as if it would take long, or are you dropping alot of lower level clients like this?

Well the reason is basically because right now I'm trying to tie up all my loose ends. I overbooked myself a couple weeks ago and I am just getting out of it.

The programming is never the most time consuming part. The most time consuming part is talking to the customer, arranging payment, tweaking, testing, fixing problems that weren't problems until the customer decided they wanted it to do something else.

A twenty minute job quickly turns into 2 or three hours of talking and organizing. Besides, the smallest jobs are usually the ones that involve the most BS.

And to answer your question, I am not really taking small projects like that right now. I usually don't unless I'm strapped for cash, or whatnot.

They just aren't worth it.

[Babaganoosh]

kandah, on behalf of programmers everywhere let me tell you that you are an asshat. please buy a book and learn to code so you won't make a contract coders life even more hectic than it already is. I mean, our relatives die more than anyone else's, we get sick unexpectedly, our computers die and we get divorced over and over and over. The last thing we need is the added stress of idiotic "customers."

You never paid a dime and therefore are not owed jack shit. Kindly pipe your output to /dev/null. That's where any coder that reads this thread will put your drivel too.

[Nysus]

Alright well, I more so kandah because you did the same thing to me, except you still never responded.. and this wasn't a 20 minute job either. You said you were booked, but then I asked when you could have it by, basically 4-5 days timeframe and that you could start in 2 days from the time it was spoken, so I was expecting things in 7 or so days.. with no messages from you even after I messaged you and saw you online to ask..

So what's up with that?

And by the way, not lose money? Ever hear the time = money phrase? It doesn't make your not replying and wasting peoples' time any less worse.

[Nysus]

kandah, on behalf of programmers everywhere let me tell you that you are an asshat. please buy a book and learn to code so you won't make a contract coders life even more hectic than it already is. I mean, our relatives die more than anyone else's, we get sick unexpectedly, our computers die and we get divorced over and over and over. The last thing we need is the added stress of idiotic "customers."

You never paid a dime and therefore are not owed jack shit. Kindly pipe your output to /dev/null. That's where any coder that reads this thread will put your drivel too.

You don't think there's any problem with one day stating you'll do a job and then 2 days later after everything was explained and things sent to the coder to say it can't be done? Or after 7 days in my case, where I still haven't been messaged and completely ignored? Obviously I'm not wanting or expecting it to be done by him now.

[Babaganoosh]

You don't think there's any problem with one day stating you'll do a job and then 2 days later after everything was explained and things sent to the coder to say it can't be done? Or after 7 days in my case, where I still haven't been messaged and completely ignored? Obviously I'm not wanting or expecting it to be done by him now.

Did you put down a deposit on work to be completed?

[Nysus]

Did you put down a deposit on work to be completed?

No, and he didn't want one/ask for one.

[Babaganoosh]

No, and he didn't want one/ask for one.

Then you shouldn't have expected anything. The only person you can blame is yourself for waiting for so long. Programmers are flaky. If he stops responding, move on. Programmers are a dime a dozen.

The trick is to catch a talented and competent programmer when he is tits up broke. That's the only way to get a project done quickly and correctly. I used to do some of my best work when I was stuck at home eating Ramen and drinking water. I'm glad those days are behind me.

[BradM]

Kandah is a MORON. Anyone who does biz with him deserves the problems involved for not researching in advance. He's a total asshat.

[StarkReality]

There is no need to accept a 20 minute job, for mainstream (my main business) I accept no jobs under 2k because it's annoying to have a dozen mini jobs if you want to keep customers happy and talk to them on the phone, write mails, offer support after finishing it, and whatever else is required...but IF you accept it, it's YOUR fucking job and you better do it quick.

Noone is forced to accept work, but a deal is a contract and a contract must be fulfilled. Call me old fashioned...

[Tempest]

This isn't much drama since no money changed hands. However, as a programmer myself who has done a couple contract job, and someone who's hired a lot of contractors, these issues often come down piss poor communicatons.

1. the programmer shouldn't have even taken the job in the first place since it seems pretty clear he didn't have the time and finds little jobs a distraction. You left a potential client hanging and that's not a good thing. Be brutally honest with yourself about what you can and can't do and what you want and don't want to do. If you're any good, this won't hurt your business but actually help it.

2. NEVER rely on ICQ messages. Always ensure you get a response and send an email for important messages, in fact ANY issues such as changes in requirements etc. should be thru an email with confirmation in ICQ or the other way around and confirm that the info has been received. For larger projects I create a password protected section on some site for both parties to view which contains all the agreed upon info so there's no misunderstandings.

[Tempest]

kandah, on behalf of programmers everywhere let me tell you that you are an asshat.

You DON'T speak for me.. Keep your opinions to yourself.

[psili]

The programming is never the most time consuming part. The most time consuming part is talking to the customer, arranging payment, tweaking, testing, fixing problems that weren't problems until the customer decided they wanted it to do something else.

A twenty minute job quickly turns into 2 or three hours of talking and organizing. Besides, the smallest jobs are usually the ones that involve the most BS.

And there it is folks.... the reason why it's so difficult working with people.

Here's what I think: If you're a programmer and are putting out a bid for "10 minutes" of work -- what the fuck are you thinking? It'd take longer to gather bids and find a contracter than do that shit yourself.

If you're not a programmer and think the job takes "10 minutes", it probably takes longer than that. So readjust your expectations... or learn to do it yourself -- could even save you time and money in the long run.

[Babaganoosh]

You DON'T speak for me.. Keep your opinions to yourself.

On behalf of programmers everywhere, shut your fucking yap. Letting whiny little faggot customers badmouth you on a board is the worst thing a contract programmer can do. If you've been working for other people for more than about 10 minutes, you'd understand some of these incompetent jerkoff "webmasters" will bitch about everything if they're allowed to.

Just as webmasters should warn other webmasters about shitty programmers, programmers should warn other programmers about shitty customers.

[Babaganoosh]

And there it is folks.... the reason why it's so difficult working with people.

Here's what I think: If you're a programmer and are putting out a bid for "10 minutes" of work -- what the fuck are you thinking? It'd take longer to gather bids and find a contracter than do that shit yourself.

If you're not a programmer and think the job takes "10 minutes", it probably takes longer than that. So readjust your expectations... or learn to do it yourself -- could even save you time and money in the long run.

Programmers: Never let a customer tell you how long it will take you to do a job. If they had any idea they would be doing it themselves.

[Tempest]

On behalf of programmers everywhere, shut your fucking yap. Letting whiny little faggot customers badmouth you on a board is the worst thing a contract programmer can do. If you've been working for other people for more than about 10 minutes, you'd understand some of these incompetent jerkoff "webmasters" will bitch about everything if they're allowed to.

Just as webmasters should warn other webmasters about shitty programmers, programmers should warn other programmers about shitty customers.

You're a moron who can't even read so shove your head back up your ass and STFU.. I said above that I've done work on BOTH sides.

[Babaganoosh]

You're a moron who can't even read so shove your head back up your ass and STFU.. I said above that I've done work on BOTH sides.

I call bullshit. If you had, you wouldn't have such an idiotic opinion. You've clearly never had a customer like this kandah tool.

[Tempest]

I call bullshit. If you had, you wouldn't have such an idiotic opinion. You've clearly never had a customer like this kandah tool.

You can call bullshit all you want, it matters not.

You're just a hypocritcal moron that likes to play keyboard warrior.. Shall I post a link to your other post about this very same programmer where you make fun of him by posting typical excuses for not doing work??

Besides, I'm not "supporting" this client, I'm saying that if you don't want to have this type of shit come to the boards or get a bad rap, then "manage" your relationships properly. This applies to BOTH sides. If you had a clue you'd understand that my advice is very solid.

[MidnightJackson]

Meanwhile back at the ranch.....

[Babaganoosh]

You're just a hypocritcal moron that likes to play keyboard warrior.. Shall I post a link to your other post about this very same programmer where you make fun of him by posting typical excuses for not doing work??

Now let's not talk about my reading comprehension, ok? Your reading comprehension clearly isn't up to par. I made very similar remarks right here in THIS thread about typical excuses programmers make for not doing work. Pay attention.

[Tempest]

Now let's not talk about my reading comprehension, ok? Your reading comprehension clearly isn't up to par. I made very similar remarks right here in THIS thread about typical excuses programmers make for not doing work. Pay attention.

Very true... My mistake...

[Babaganoosh]

Very true... My mistake...

I'll let it slide this time.

My best excuse ever was that my great grandmother died. It was total bullshit. I had a new girlfriend that I wanted to hang out with. I told him I would have to put off starting the project for a week or so and he was very cool about it. When I finally got back in contact with the client about 8-9 days later, my great grandmother really did die.

I gave up and refunded his money and apologized for being a jackass. That was the last time I ever made up bullshit stories to put off a job. I'm lucky GFY wasn't around yet. I deserved to get publicly humiliated over that one.

[topshelfdesign]

adam i think his name is?

was ok with me, let me down though but still, he does work first come first served and a deposit with him speeds things up!

[k0nr4d]

just out of curiousity seeing as this thread has alot of coders, how many of you jumped on this guy and msg'd him? heh

[Tempest]

just out of curiousity seeing as this thread has alot of coders, how many of you jumped on this guy and msg'd him? heh

Not me.. I don't have much time away from my own stuff to take on many contract jobs.. I tend to only take ones that interest me and where I may learn something interesting... I don't like those "short distracting" jobs.. and I'm too expensive for the majority of GFY...

[k0nr4d]

I'm booked up myself as well but was just thinkin it'd be funny with coders defending him messaging the guy whos slamming him heh

[OG LennyT]

good ol forum flame war

nice

[kapopoy]

PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE you have not accept the project if you think you can't do it. why you let the guy wait for days?

[Nysus]

Then you shouldn't have expected anything. The only person you can blame is yourself for waiting for so long. Programmers are flaky. If he stops responding, move on. Programmers are a dime a dozen.

...

How shut the fuck up with your horse crap. If you tell someone they can start and they accept, and then 2 days later choose someone else, the programmer could very likely come on the board and start trying to flame me out; why are you trying so hard to redirect PHP-CODER's problems to not being his?

[Pete-KT]

Done a few differnt scripts for us and never had a problem with him

[The Duck]

The problem is that he accepted the job, then left me hanging. I never recieved the message saying to look elsewhere so I waited.