how long will pps last?

[quiet]

in it's current form? i'm hungry...

[Rep]

im done with them now.

[multisexsite]

It will last, the payout per signup will just go down. A lot.

[FlyingIguana]

unless there's some major changes to credit card billing then i don't see pps going anywhere

[Fletch XXX]

I have tried to slowly route my pps sponsors out of the traffic I have built up with SEs.

I did this when they started coming out with the 1$ shit.

I noticed after a few months, I was making way more with sending SE traffic to a good Revshare, daily sales start to add up with quality traffic.

Quality traffic shouldnt be sent to some cookie cutter porn site that brags to have more content than anyone and its all feeds and plug in shit - sites with <i>good</i> content dont need as much. I guess this is relevant to the search queries and what folks are looking for to ultimately decide where they should go, nonetheless...

Retention is good with quality traffic, so obviously why take 25 per sign up, when one can make 20 + on some revshare sponsors, and I know for a fact some are recurring at over 4 months. So that puts my surfers value at over 100 bones, not a fucking 1$ or 25. I rather sit it out, let it build and then count the chips.

Why send it to someone for a quick bang, when you can pick a good Revshare sponsor with more exclusive type, niche oriented possibly, but more rewarding content within - and make more $$$.

As far as the 'future of pps' as long as guys want the quick bang with 50 sign ups for emails want to send traffic to them they will survive, why wouldnt they?

Their model is based on cutting you out of the loop as soon as you send them traffic.

But I do love 35$ sign ups on some sites though and do well with both. hehehe

[EscortBiz]

dont see it going anywhere

[Dveron]

I'm all about the recurring these days.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I have tried to slowly route my pps sponsors out of the traffic I have built up with SEs.

I did this when they started coming out with the 1$ shit.

I noticed after a few months, I was making way more with sending SE traffic to a good Revshare, daily sales start to add up with quality traffic.

Quality traffic shouldnt be sent to some cookie cutter porn site that brags to have more content than anyone and its all feeds and plug in shit - sites with <i>good</i> content dont need as much. I guess this is relevant to the search queries and what folks are looking for to ultimately decide where they should go, nonetheless...

Retention is good with quality traffic, so obviously why take 25 per sign up, when one can make 20 + on some revshare sponsors, and I know for a fact some are recurring at over 4 months. So that puts my surfers value at over 100 bones, not a fucking 1$ or 25. I rather sit it out, let it build and then count the chips.

Why send it to someone for a quick bang, when you can pick a good Revshare sponsor with more exclusive type, niche oriented possibly, but more rewarding content within - and make more $$$.

As far as the 'future of pps' as long as guys want the quick bang with 50 sign ups for emails want to send traffic to them they will survive, why wouldnt they?

Their model is based on cutting you out of the loop as soon as you send them traffic.

But I do love 35$ sign ups on some sites though and do well with both. hehehe

I would have to agree with most of that post.. but the thing is, is that MOST ppl cant wait for the recurring to arrive in thier mail box.. some people rely on the quick pps cash.. so thats why its more successful i think.. People have no patience (sp*?)

[Socks]

If it ain't broke...

[SykkBoy]

Most webmasters only want the quick upfront.

We're adding PPS to DarkDollars so we can also get the webmasters who want the quick upfront $$$. We may as well, because quite frankly, we'll be much more profitable paying $35 per signup than revshare ;))) It will also attract webmasters who don't "do revshare" to our program. We're revamping our sites now and will probably have an annoucnement about the PPS at InterNext

I don't see PPS going away, but I do look at more of a "you have to qualify to send PPS by sending to revshare first" kind of thing.

[Kimmykim]

Why wait? You have to have a damn good members area to recur, all claims of phenomenal recurring by every program owner aside...

The cc's could pull out tomorrow, someone could do a Busty, I don't see much point in it.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I have tried to slowly route my pps sponsors out of the traffic I have built up with SEs.

I did this when they started coming out with the 1$ shit.

I noticed after a few months, I was making way more with sending SE traffic to a good Revshare, daily sales start to add up with quality traffic.

Quality traffic shouldnt be sent to some cookie cutter porn site that brags to have more content than anyone and its all feeds and plug in shit - sites with <i>good</i> content dont need as much. I guess this is relevant to the search queries and what folks are looking for to ultimately decide where they should go, nonetheless...

Retention is good with quality traffic, so obviously why take 25 per sign up, when one can make 20 + on some revshare sponsors, and I know for a fact some are recurring at over 4 months. So that puts my surfers value at over 100 bones, not a fucking 1$ or 25. I rather sit it out, let it build and then count the chips.

Why send it to someone for a quick bang, when you can pick a good Revshare sponsor with more exclusive type, niche oriented possibly, but more rewarding content within - and make more $$$.

As far as the 'future of pps' as long as guys want the quick bang with 50 sign ups for emails want to send traffic to them they will survive, why wouldnt they?

Their model is based on cutting you out of the loop as soon as you send them traffic.

But I do love 35$ sign ups on some sites though and do well with both. hehehe

Well said.

Currently we only have PPS available but we are looking at offering revshare in the VERY near future. Giving the webmasters a choice on how they make their money should be a top priority. Keep the webmasters happy and they will keep the traffic light on green.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Why wait? You have to have a damn good members area to recur, all claims of phenomenal recurring by every program owner aside...

The cc's could pull out tomorrow, someone could do a Busty, I don't see much point in it.

Even with a damn good members area rebills suck all the big sponsors talk about this all the time. Exclusive or not,big or small
it doesn't matter
Surfers will cancel no matter what.

we have a site www.megaporn.com with all our content and its 0nly $6.95 a month and rebills at $6.95 a month. and it still retains the same as our full membership sites.

why because people are just curious and once they see there bill they will cancel and check out another site.

surfers arn't loyal and they don't have the money to spend they just got curious period

[multisexsite]

So why arent we charging $99.95 if its all gonna rebill the same?

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by AaronM


Well said.

Currently we only have PPS available but we are looking at offering revshare in the VERY near future. Giving the webmasters a choice on how they make their money should be a top priority. Keep the webmasters happy and they will keep the traffic light on green.

Lets talk in vegas since when do you have a PPS and we never swaped traffic?

[strainer]

I think rebills will be down eventually across the board as broadband comes to everybody.

Even my most loyal customers like to come to the site, join, download 1/2 gigabyte of exclusive content, and they tend to drop off at the end of the month.

I'll bet they check back a couple times a year though, and grab it a gig at a time.

On the other hand I see my customers with slow connections struggling to download as fast as we can pump it out, and those guys tend to stay around for months.

Nothing stays the same, even porn. Last year's revenue model won't be as good in 2003.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Pornkings


Lets talk in vegas since when do you have a PPS and we never swaped traffic?

Since in San Diego & Miami you blew me off and you tend to ignore my ICQ's......I moved on.

I still respect ya bro but business is business. If you want to talk about this, feel free to take the initiative to look me up this time.

I don't know about you, but I am just a tadpole.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Pornkings


Even with a damn good members area rebills suck all the big sponsors talk about this all the time. Exclusive or not,big or small
it doesn't matter
Surfers will cancel no matter what.

we have a site www.megaporn.com with all our content and its 0nly $6.95 a month and rebills at $6.95 a month. and it still retains the same as our full membership sites.

why because people are just curious and once they see there bill they will cancel and check out another site.

surfers arn't loyal and they don't have the money to spend they just got curious period

mpst large programs have shitty members area's

[HeadPimp]

We do recurring on our site, no outside plugins and our members tend to stick around. It is all about being creative and finding ways to make members want to stick around.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by AaronM


Since in San Diego & Miami you blew me off and you tend to ignore my ICQ's......I moved on.

I still respect ya bro but business is business. If you want to talk about this, feel free to take the initiative to look me up this time.

I don't know about you, but I am just a tadpole.

HUH we hung out for a bit in Miami with Big E and I didn't see you in san diego.
what is your ICQ#
I have never ignored your ICQ's unless I didn't know it was you. Strange.

I'm still a tadpole

[Fletch XXX]

I get tired of seeing these Dollar-porn-megarotica-babenet-holios.com sites.

Anyone with long term goals in this business should be thinking ahead anyway.

When that PPS sponsor changes their pop ups 3 months after you sign up, and create a serious traffic leak and your PPS goes to shit, youll be standing around talking about oversaturation and shaving.

Ive seen sites recur way too many months to believe in this 'surfers aint loyal shit' - I have seen folks on here brag about retaining members for 2 + years, ever since then Ive focused on that.

Its been rewarding.

[m0rph3us]

interesting opinions

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


mpst large programs have shitty members area's

Show me a great members area and I'll show you a large sponsors who's is better with a ton of more content.

Most large sponsors have tried it all trust me on that.

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by Pornkings
a ton of more content.

hmmm... it's not always about quantity.

[cherrylula]

Thats why I always think (if its a good paysite anyhow) "strip-club" as in you pay a cover charge at the door when you go there on friday night to get your rocks off. (an expensive but non-recurring membership)

But you will have guys who go more often than that, and spend lots and lots of money. These are your preferred customers and you have to market your club/site to them as such.

Give them a nice discount and make sure they have a good time, and they'll keep coming back for more. (a reasonably priced recurring membership)

This might not make complete sense or translate exactly to the internet, but its a good perspective to have when you are catering to men who like to spend money on porn.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I get tired of seeing these Dollar-porn-megarotica-babenet-holios.com sites.

Anyone with long term goals in this business should be thinking ahead anyway.

When that PPS sponsor changes their pop ups 3 months after you sign up, and create a serious traffic leak and your PPS goes to shit, youll be standing around talking about oversaturation and shaving.

Ive seen sites recur way too many months to believe in this 'surfers aint loyal shit' - I have seen folks on here brag about retaining members for 2 + years, ever since then Ive focused on that.

Its been rewarding.

talk to all the big sponsors at the show and see what they have to say.
you thinkwe havn't done it all.
surfers retention has been the same for 3 years now and its getting worse.

sure I have surfers who stay for many months but the average is 2 months and they can even chargeback after 6 months.

I hear about all the sites that retain extremely well but I have still yet to have seen it.
and if its true and they had a revshare model they would have all the traffic.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Pornkings


HUH we hung out for a bit in Miami with Big E and I didn't see you in san diego.
what is your ICQ#
I have never ignored your ICQ's unless I didn't know it was you. Strange.

I'm still a tadpole

San Diego...Adultcash house, Amy Sweet's party... You were in the kitchen, Jeff Alton introduced us...You gave me a weak handshake and turned your back to walk away.

Most likely the booze that was flowing that night. I am not worried about it, just letting you know how things appear from my point of view. I thought I would mention it since you brought up doing business but it is not my intent to drag out some dumb shit on the boards. You know how to find me. I have given you 3 business cards and my ICQ number is on 2 of them.

For the record....Roger has NEVER pissed me off and everybody that I know of who has done business with PornKings has been happy.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Pornkings


sure I have surfers who stay for many months but the average is 2 months and they can even chargeback after 6 months.

No offense man, but there isnt a site you own that would get me to take out my wallet, and I make all my business decisions on my own stimuli.

If it doesnt do anything for me, it wont for the surfer.

Sorry, but thats how I make my moves.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Pornkings


Show me a great members area and I'll show you a large sponsors who's is better with a ton of more content.

Most large sponsors have tried it all trust me on that.

most large sponsors have tons of shitty plug in content. they haven't tried shit

[Fletch XXX]

By 'stimuli' I dont mean making my cock hard.

;)

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by AaronM


San Diego...Adultcash house, Amy Sweet's party... You were in the kitchen, Jeff Alton introduced us...You gave me a weak handshake and turned your back to walk away.

Most likely the booze that was flowing that night. I am not worried about it, just letting you know how things appear from my point of view. I thought I would mention it since you brought up doing business but it is not my intent to drag out some dumb shit on the boards. You know how to find me. I have given you 3 business cards and my ICQ number is on 2 of them.

For the record....Roger has NEVER pissed me off and everybody that I know of who has done business with PornKings has been happy.

Sorry about that I must have had my eye on some girl that night

[Dveron]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


No offense man, but there isnt a site you own that would get me to take out my wallet, and I make all my business decisions on my own stimuli.

If it doesnt do anything for me, it wont for the surfer.

Sorry, but thats how I make my moves.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


No offense man, but there isnt a site you own that would get me to take out my wallet, and I make all my business decisions on my own stimuli.

If it doesnt do anything for me, it wont for the surfer.

Sorry, but thats how I make my moves.

I have to agree with fletch on this one.....


Pornkings, how much exclusive content you using??

[greentea]

PPS has been here and is not going no were anytime soon, payouts will probably decrease in the near future.

Rev share is so old school 90's, rev share came and went as did the member retention.

As roger said most members dont stay past 2 months, regardless of what site it is. Nowadays i rather take $35-40 upfront rather then hoping a member is going to rebill for 3+ months plus.

With the exception to certain content/ amateur sites etc, the numbers on some of these sites are crazy! true loyal members who stay on for many months.

[greentea]

How long will PPC Last?

[Morgan]

Originally posted by greentea
PPS has been here and is not going no were anytime soon, payouts will probably decrease in the near future.

Rev share is so old school 90's, rev share came and went as did the member retention.

As roger said most members dont stay past 2 months, regardless of what site it is. Nowadays i rather take $35-40 upfront rather then hoping a member is going to rebill for 3+ months plus.

With the exception to certain content/ amateur sites etc, the numbers on some of these sites are crazy! true loyal members who stay on for many months.

After viewing my recurring results with PSW stats for exploitedteens.com I have found my average retention to be 4 months+. MANY MANY of my members have been on board for over 12 months now. This is because fresh new EXCLUSIVE content is added all the time and the members know they cannot get it anywhere else.

If you have never had a site fully exclusive you dont have a clue about retention.

[cherrylula]

I've made about 3-4 times more with a sponsor using revshare as opposed to their per signup.

If the site has good stuff, members will retain, and revshare will make you lots of money.

Bottom line is paysites are getting better and more competitive.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


No offense man, but there isnt a site you own that would get me to take out my wallet, and I make all my business decisions on my own stimuli.

If it doesnt do anything for me, it wont for the surfer.

Sorry, but thats how I make my moves.

well 1000's of sales a day and 45% stick around after a month must be doing something right
$1 trial for a month wouldn't get you to take your wallet out.
what site would you join post it I'm curious

[multisexsite]

I like porn, I dont like to pay for it. GFY is the perfect place for me.

[FlyingIguana]

if you're not retaining for 4-6 months then there's something wrong. could be pricing, customer service, not knowing what it is your customers want, content or something else.

if you don't know why your retention is shitty, then there's something seriously wrong.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
if you're not retaining for 4-6 months then there's something wrong. could be pricing, customer service, not knowing what it is your customers want, content or something else.

if you don't know why your retention is shitty, then there's something seriously wrong.

Wrong....
but like I've said before we have tried it all nothing new here.

if we were doing 10 sales a day my average might be 4-6 months

we have a site that has more content then most and its only $6.95 a month every month. megaporn.com is that deal not good enough

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
if you're not retaining for 4-6 months then there's something wrong. could be pricing, customer service, not knowing what it is your customers want, content or something else.

if you don't know why your retention is shitty, then there's something seriously wrong.

Unfortunately the overall numbers do not support your claims. Average retention from trial to full might be 35% on the whole, and that's a might that decreases every day.

Surfers get smarter, they realize they don't have to pay a monthly charge to see what they want.

They more than understand the trial join. And they use it to their advantage.

For every member that stays more than two months there are at least 8 that dont make it past the trial, and that's a conservative estimate.

Talk to anyone doing triple or quadruple digit joins a day, they can corroborate.

The guy doing 15-20 sales a day on one site has a totally different revenue model than a guy doing 1500-2000 joins a day. Volume makes up for lots of things, including poor retention.

[greentea]

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


After viewing my recurring results with PSW stats for exploitedteens.com I have found my average retention to be 4 months+. MANY MANY of my members have been on board for over 12 months now. This is because fresh new EXCLUSIVE content is added all the time and the members know they cannot get it anywhere else.

If you have never had a site fully exclusive you dont have a clue about retention.

Then that seems to work well for you, exclusive content is king and that is proven. Thats the exception.


I ran 30 plus sites all hardcore niche, cookie cutter sites, our members area was a mega site, that being said our members rebilled 3-4 months, average, this is a few years back nowadays mega sites like rogers , ars etc members stay for no more then 2 months.

Im talking about mega sites, its no secret exclusive content/amateur sites members rebill for many months.

[hahmike]

Originally posted by Pornkings


Show me a great members area and I'll show you a large sponsors who's is better with a ton of more content.

go sign up to adult bouncer.

[hahmike]

and why is fletch on my ignore list

what the fuck

[Morgan]

Originally posted by Pornkings


well 1000's of sales a day and 45% stick around after a month must be doing something right
$1 trial for a month wouldn't get you to take your wallet out.
what site would you join post it I'm curious

If I were to join any site and found that it had the same content as 90% of the other sites out there, I would cancel. Do you have anything exclusive?? if so, what is it?? Im sick of the standard cookie cutter, plugin infested template sites out there.

Did you read this?
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=96539

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


After viewing my recurring results with PSW stats for exploitedteens.com I have found my average retention to be 4 months+. MANY MANY of my members have been on board for over 12 months now. This is because fresh new EXCLUSIVE content is added all the time and the members know they cannot get it anywhere else.

If you have never had a site fully exclusive you dont have a clue about retention.

whatever I was one of the first to have an exclusive site called therealworld.com a ton of hot chicks in a mansion one of the first vouyer houses

the price was $19.95 and they still canceled
It was even on the news on many channels

surfers have no idea if your content is exclusive I can say all my content is exclusive they would never know or care.

also about the sales that go thru on a rev share model are far more less then our sites so you make more up front and on the bottom line then a few sales that stick for 4 months

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


Unfortunately the overall numbers do not support your claims. Average retention from trial to full might be 35% on the whole, and that's a might that decreases every day.

Surfers get smarter, they realize they don't have to pay a monthly charge to see what they want.

They more than understand the trial join. And they use it to their advantage.

For every member that stays more than two months there are at least 8 that dont make it past the trial, and that's a conservative estimate.

Talk to anyone doing triple or quadruple digit joins a day, they can corroborate.

The guy doing 15-20 sales a day on one site has a totally different revenue model than a guy doing 1500-2000 joins a day. Volume makes up for lots of things, including poor retention.

please educate them great post

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Pornkings


well 1000's of sales a day and 45% stick around after a month must be doing something right
$1 trial for a month wouldn't get you to take your wallet out.
what site would you join post it I'm curious

Earlier you said surfers are not loyal, now you claim 45% retain?

Thats a pretty good number considering what others do. So you saying almost 50% of the dollar sign ups turn to full? hmmmm...

Of course you make thousands of sales a day. How many dollar sign ups you processing?

Id rather have them recurring at 20 bucks a month instead, dont knock my opinion. Its not easy to figure out 1000 X 1$ and 1000 x 20$.

As you say you have 'tried it all' so have i.

I make more with recurring.

bottom line.

[mpegposter]

This argument carries over into the one by jennycards, but I'll say this:

There's a reason NastyDollars/OxCash do so well. There's a reason a lot of people use Lightspeed's revshare. There's a reason people come to GFY to piss about a certain sponsor's members areas.

People are sick of the BS and outlandish claims by PPS sponsors. If I had a dime for every 'I was one of the first's and 'show me's in this thread I'd have enough capital to start my own PPS.

At the end of the day people will use who they want. PPS sites with GOOD members areas or long successful histories will last, and small new upstart PPS programs will fall to VISA or other problems if they continue in the cookie-cutter tradition of their brethren.

I personally will enjoy watching the rats flee the sinking ship.