Abortion ....

[CuriousToyBoy]

So what is your position ?

Personally, I believe when men get pregnant, carry a child inside themselves for 9 months and then give birth, breastfeed and do everything else associated with motherhood, then, and ONLY then, should men have ANY say on the subject.

To me it's about being pro-choice.

The WOMAN'S choice.

And, also IMHO, it's a PERSONAL decision, NOT societal.

[EdgeXXX]

Pro-choice...

[munki]

Do I need to put my "Government legislating on morality" speech in here again... cause i will.

Woman's choice.

[Cyber Fucker]

If child will born healthful killing it in my opinion is a big mistake. And no, no woman's choice. It should be choice of both man and woman. Just my thoughts....

[marko13]

voted....

[RevSand]

All the woman's.. If I were the father I would want to add my 2 cents but it ultimately comes down to what the woman wants to do and I would understand that.

[fibble]

I'll choose Pro Life.. its not that i am religious or what but i believe abortion will never be a solution.

*first we all no one has the right to kill a innocent child because the baby has nothing to do with such irresponsible act..
* inspite of that reponsibilities it will would probably give happiness that would be never be replace of anything..
*Many couples out there are not given a chance of having a child. for those who have plans of having there baby aborted, dont you think your fortunate enough to have one..?
*And lastly for those who are attemping of having there baby aborted, you can just send them in an orphanage so that somehow for those people who are not given a chance to have a baby or a child would have the opportunity to have a family of there own that will soon give them happiness.

[leftybogs]

but still, its there chioce...

[E$_manager]

Agree. Personal desicion. But still the society should hold some propaganda conserning how bad an abortion is. Because i know people who made 3 abortions and do not feel even that they did something bad.

[Lazonby]

[DjSap]

pro-death...if you are considering an abortion your baby should be aborted with or without your consent...i don't want another unwanted child in to this world...they will just end up as stupid, criminals or poor....

[sherie]

I'll choose Pro Life.. its not that i am religious or what but i believe abortion will never be a solution.

*first we all no one has the right to kill a innocent child because the baby has nothing to do with such irresponsible act..
* inspite of that reponsibilities it will would probably give happiness that would be never be replace of anything..
*Many couples out there are not given a chance of having a child. for those who have plans of having there baby aborted, dont you think your fortunate enough to have one..?
*And lastly for those who are attemping of having there baby aborted, you can just send them in an orphanage so that somehow for those people who are not given a chance to have a baby or a child would have the opportunity to have a family of there own that will soon give them happiness.

While I didn't want to get into any debate on the subject, just let me clear a few things up for ya.

1) It is not a child that one is aborting. It's an embryo/fetus.
2) Keeping unwanted children does not exactly make for a happy house. Most people do not abort on a whim. Rape, drug addicted babies, mental illness et al., financial and the list goes on.........
3) It's unfortunate that there are people out there that can not have children. However, that is not a reason that others should remain pregnant and have a child.
4) Orphanage's have a shameful amount of children that will NEVER get adopted. Sometimes life is much worse going through the system.

Either way, it's a choice and the government should NOT dictate what one should be doing to their bodies.

Bah, everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but if things were that easy...

[psili]

Pro-life / Pro-choice shouldn't even exist.

People should be sterilized at birth and have to pass some test or something in order for that sterilization to be reversed.

The unchecked proliferation of people should end, damn it!

[MaddCaz]

Pro-life / Pro-choice shouldn't even exist.

People should be sterilized at birth and have to pass some test or something in order for that sterilization to be reversed.

The unchecked proliferation of people should end, damn it!

Not a terrible idea. Though it infringes on many civil libs...

[Drake]

While I didn't want to get into any debate on the subject, just let me clear a few things up for ya.

1) It is not a child that one is aborting. It's an embryo/fetus.
2) Keeping unwanted children does not exactly make for a happy house. Most people do not abort on a whim. Rape, drug addicted babies, mental illness et al., financial and the list goes on.........
3) It's unfortunate that there are people out there that can not have children. However, that is not a reason that others should remain pregnant and have a child.
4) Orphanage's have a shameful amount of children that will NEVER get adopted. Sometimes life is much worse going through the system.

Either way, it's a choice and the government should NOT dictate what one should be doing to their bodies.

Bah, everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but if things were that easy...

I suppose it's something that can never be legislated or enforced with any great success, so I'm pro-choice. Because of that and the fact that the embryo cannot think or feel pain - even though this is clearly a stage in human development and not just some random potential that exists.

Sherie, do you think abortion at any stage during a pregnancy is ok?

I've been to a couple of sites about abortion and they suggest that 93% of abortions are done for what we would call a whim - not due to rape, incest, drugs, etc. but simply people who use it as birth control - they made a mistake and want to get rid of it. But admittedly these sites may be biased.

In an ideal society ppl would take proper precautions and accept responsibility for "accidents", but that's just not the reality. So that's that I guess.

[NickPapageorgio]

The idiotic argument in the abortion issue is that say a woman is going to die, medically she has no chance of living if she gives birth...then what? Then people are still pro-life? Which life? By being pro-life for the unborn child, you are being pro-death for the woman.

Pro-choice 100%. I don't advocate abortion being used as a form of birth control as that is just wrong, but in cases of rape, incest and medical complications, I believe it should be a choice the woman makes.

[ronaldo]

If the man isn't allowed ANY opinion on the matter, then the woman should have NO recourse to get money from him for support.

[ronaldo]

The idiotic argument in the abortion issue is that say a woman is going to die, medically she has no chance of living if she gives birth...then what? Then people are still pro-life? Which life? By being pro-life for the unborn child, you are being pro-death for the woman.

Actually, having spoken with a pro-life agency in the past, this is the ONLY scenario in which they would consent to an abortion.

[ronaldo]

I suppose it's something that can never be legislated or enforced with any great success, so I'm pro-choice.

I'm curious to know when you changed your opinion on the matter.

[Drake]

If the man isn't allowed ANY opinion on the matter, then the woman should have NO recourse to get money from him for support.

Great point. I've never understood the argument that the man should have no say in the matter. But if we accept that, then why should he bear any burden or responsibility if she decides to go with having the baby.

[CuriousToyBoy]

Agree. Personal desicion. But still the society should hold some propaganda conserning how bad an abortion is. Because i know people who made 3 abortions and do not feel even that they did something bad.

Damn.

[CuriousToyBoy]

If the man isn't allowed ANY opinion on the matter, then the woman should have NO recourse to get money from him for support.

That is a very, very interesting point.

[stickyfingerz]

The idiotic argument in the abortion issue is that say a woman is going to die, medically she has no chance of living if she gives birth...then what? Then people are still pro-life? Which life? By being pro-life for the unborn child, you are being pro-death for the woman.

Pro-choice 100%. I don't advocate abortion being used as a form of birth control as that is just wrong, but in cases of rape, incest and medical complications, I believe it should be a choice the woman makes.

Sure and what percentage of women are in risk of dying due to a pregnancy? What is this fucking 1812?

Hey next lets make it seem like every woman who has an abortion was raped. Boy there are some fertile fucking rapists out there.


Hey I know. Nearly every abortion was the result of incest. Lots of dads, uncles and brothers out there fucking their kin eh?

Hey I know. The babies are better off cause otherwise they would be (insert here your choice. *Poor, on welfare, on drugs, criminals, waste to society, a burden on tax payers, blah blah)

Hey I know. The kid would just wind up in an orphanage... Of course there are waiting lines for couples wanting to adopt infants of any color, but lets make it seem like a newborn baby would just wind up a ward of the state and a burden on us all, then probably a criminal who gets on drugs and goes on a wild shooting spree.

Amazing how people can justify killing a innocent sweet baby.

Now if your mother would of had the choice, would you of preferred she aborted you? Pretty easy to give the woman lots of choice, but none to the child that didnt even get a chance to make a go at it.

Hey I know. Abortions are just removing a clump of cells.... well except for the times where they are developed. Premie babies survive and live normal lives as early as 24 weeks. Abortion Is legal to I believe 26 weeks. Abortions from 19 to 26 weeks involve pulling the baby out trying to gasp for breath and sticking a instrument similar to an icepick through its head. They then detach the limbs to make it easier to remove the child. Earlier on they just use something similar to a hoover with a blender attachment hooked to it. Sucking chunks of the child into it.

Im pretty sure the child deserved this because you were too stupid to figure out how birth control works, or to just not spread your legs, or stick your cock in someone.

Take FUCKING RESPONSIBLITY for your actions. Its not a dropped icecream cone, its a FUCKING CHILD.

Or hey instead lets justify it by saying its a choice. Lets call a spade a fucking spade. Its 100% selfishness.

Sorry Im a bit high strung on this at the moment. I have 2 children and one on the way. I would never ever EVER ask a woman to abort a child.

[ronaldo]

Take FUCKING RESPONSIBLITY for your actions. Its not a dropped icecream cone, its a FUCKING CHILD.

Or hey instead lets justify it by saying its a choice. Lets call a spade a fucking spade. Its 100% selfishness.

Sorry Im a bit high strung on this at the moment. I have 2 children and one on the way. I would never ever EVER ask a woman to abort a child.

My biggest pet peeve in the world is people not taking responsibility for their actions, and I could never imagine asking a woman to abort a child either (I have two of my own btw), but that doesn't mean that in SOME cases, it isn't the best option.

[Drake]

Hey I know. Abortions are just removing a clump of cells.... well except for the times where they are developed. Premie babies survive and live normal lives as early as 24 weeks. Abortion Is legal to I believe 26 weeks. Abortions from 19 to 26 weeks involve pulling the baby out trying to gasp for breath and sticking a instrument similar to an icepick through its head. They then detach the limbs to make it easier to remove the child.

I believe you're referring to Partial Birth Abortions. That's some seriously horrific stuff - will people argue that this is not killing of a child? That's no embryo.

[stickyfingerz]

My biggest pet peeve in the world is people not taking responsibility for their actions, and I could never imagine asking a woman to abort a child either (I have two of my own btw), but that doesn't mean that in SOME cases, it isn't the best option.

Dont get me wrong there are some cases its justifed, or better in the long run. But these are VERY limited very VERY limited. Most abortions are done just from being selfish. And before someone says "well why dont you take a child off someones hands". Ive already offered that to a girl that was very close to having an abortion. She was a single girl, and the guy had taken off like a scared little punk. She stuck it out, and the baby is 7 years old now. Little girl. Cutest thing in the world. She met a nice guy, and they are a happy family now. I was ready though to raise that child before I saw it snuffed out before she had a chance.

[stickyfingerz]

I believe you're referring to Partial Birth Abortions. That's some seriously horrific stuff - will people argue that this is not killing of a child? That's no embryo.

Yes partial birth. Its an awful awful thing. They babies alot of times are trying to gasp for air. Very very much a child.

[sherie]

I suppose it's something that can never be legislated or enforced with any great success, so I'm pro-choice. Because of that and the fact that the embryo cannot think or feel pain - even though this is clearly a stage in human development and not just some random potential that exists.

Sherie, do you think abortion at any stage during a pregnancy is ok?

I've been to a couple of sites about abortion and they suggest that 93% of abortions are done for what we would call a whim - not due to rape, incest, drugs, etc. but simply people who use it as birth control - they made a mistake and want to get rid of it. But admittedly these sites may be biased.

In an ideal society ppl would take proper precautions and accept responsibility for "accidents", but that's just not the reality. So that's that I guess.

Uhhhh NO. Have I ever given any indication where I thought that it was OK to abort at any point in a pregnancy? Infact, I keep using the terms FETUS and EMBRYO.

And yes, I would say that the sites that you are getting your information from could be a tad bit biased....but that makes no difference to me. It's a personal choice and I'm thankful that there is a choice for those that need to make one.

[NickPapageorgio]

I believe you're referring to Partial Birth Abortions. That's some seriously horrific stuff - will people argue that this is not killing of a child? That's no embryo.

Partial birth abortions are disgusting and so wrong. You have a lot of nutjobs though, that will argue that from the time the sperm enters the egg, it's a child, which, theoretically, it is. It is now, a living being.

That being said, in certain cases, like I said before, I think it should be the woman's right to choose what happens.

I have two kids, both of which I don't know how my life would be without, but I am not here to judge nor am I here to babysit someone else's problems.

The best method of stopping abortion is education. I know that there are great strides toward educating women and men about their options with a pregnancy and I believe that is the key to cutting down on unwanted pregnancies and/or abortions matters and more has to be done in this area. We have to stay the course of pregnancy education. (lol)

There are plenty of people out there who would love to adopt a baby and there are tons of options for pregnant women OTHER than abortion...

...but I still don't believe it is for the federal or state governments to decide. It's a thin line with this issue and I think that's why there is so much passion from both sides of the argument. For me personally though, I am pro-choice.

[Drake]

Dont get me wrong there are some cases its justifed, or better in the long run. But these are VERY limited very VERY limited. Most abortions are done just from being selfish. And before someone says "well why dont you take a child off someones hands". Ive already offered that to a girl that was very close to having an abortion. She was a single girl, and the guy had taken off like a scared little punk. She stuck it out, and the baby is 7 years old now. Little girl. Cutest thing in the world. She met a nice guy, and they are a happy family now. I was ready though to raise that child before I saw it snuffed out before she had a chance.

Yup, according to what I've read, almost none of the reasons commonly given - rape, incest - are reasons for abortions. The main reasons are that they simply don't want the kid. One site indicates that 93% are done just because the parents don't want the kid.

According to this site http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_...em_both_29.asp incest accounts for 1% of abortions. It also states that there is a "total of 170 to 340 assault rape pregnancies a year in the entire United States." So all these millions of abortions are happening because of incest and rape?

[NickPapageorgio]

As an added note, I am all for a limit on how far along a woman can be before she can have an abortion. I think that needs to be touched on a bit. Aborting a baby at 2 weeks is MUCH different than aborting a baby at say a month and a half or 2 months.

[Drake]

And yes, I would say that the sites that you are getting your information from could be a tad bit biased....but that makes no difference to me. It's a personal choice and I'm thankful that there is a choice for those that need to make one.

At which point does it not become choice in your opinion? At 20 weeks? 26?

[NinjaSteve]

Pro-Life

[NickPapageorgio]

Yup, according to what I've read, almost none of the reasons commonly given - rape, incest - are reasons for abortions. The main reasons are that they simply don't want the kid. One site indicates that 93% are done just because the parents don't want the kid.

According to this site http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_...em_both_29.asp incest accounts for 1% of abortions. It also states that there is a "total of 170 to 340 assault rape pregnancies a year in the entire United States." So all these millions of abortions are happening because of incest and rape?

And that goes right back to my point in which abortion should NOT be used as a form of birth control. That is, as sticky put it, extremely selfish and very wrong. Education is the key.

But...that being said, if the case merits it, the woman should be able to choose. She should not be forced to carry full term if there are circumstances that are fucked up.

I guess you could call me pro-choice v2.0. I think there are reasons in which they should be allowed and lots of reasons why they shouldn't. That is where the state should be involved. Setting guidelines for what constitutes the allowability for an abortion. Circumstances and timelines.

[MandyBlake]

i'm pro-choice

[CuriousToyBoy]

Pro-life / Pro-choice shouldn't even exist.

People should be sterilized at birth and have to pass some test or something in order for that sterilization to be reversed.

The unchecked proliferation of people should end, damn it!

My old man always used to say that you needed a licence to have a dog but idiots are allowed to breed freely.

Good old Dad was not one to mince words.

[Natalia.Taffarel]

I didn't want to get into this...

Great point. I've never understood the argument that the man should have no say in the matter. But if we accept that, then why should he bear any burden or responsibility if she decides to go with having the baby.

But this is just ridiculous.

I don't think the man shoudn't have any say in the matter. He should.
But what ever she decides in the end, he have to accept it. The baby is from both of you. So the responsibility is for both also.

[ObnoxiousBitch]

So what is your position ?

Personally, I believe when men get pregnant, carry a child inside themselves for 9 months and then give birth, breastfeed and do everything else associated with motherhood, then, and ONLY then, should men have ANY say on the subject.

To me it's about being pro-choice.

The WOMAN'S choice.

And, also IMHO, it's a PERSONAL decision, NOT societal.

On abortion as an issue: While I respect the rights of men to speak their piece I will admit that their opinions don't carry much weight with me, since they have no first-hand experience with pregnancy and childbirth. Carrying to term may not be killing as many women as it used to, but that's only because we have sufficient medical technology that the conditions leading to those deaths are caught and treated earlier... it certainly ain't because we've evolved enough that some of the effects of gestation and childbirth on a woman's body have become less dangerous!

Now, an individual man's "say" about the aborting of a child he sired is a totally different thing. Although his opinion should be taken into consideration, the decision is still ultimately up to the woman - since whatever choice she makes, the physical effects will be borne by her (and ONLY her). And it might make be a traitor to my sex in some people's eyes, but I think that if a woman decides to carry to term over the objections of the man, the right thing for her to do is to step the fuck up and raise the kid without suing for child support. But that's just me...

Comprehensive, reality-based sex education is the answer to further lowering the rate of abortions. The best we can hope for is for abortion to be safe, legal and RARE.

[Natalia.Taffarel]

On abortion as an issue: the right thing for her to do is to step the fuck up and raise the kid without suing for child support. But that's just me...
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Why should she?

Isn't the baby from both of them? Why should she suport the baby by her self?

[ObnoxiousBitch]

Why should she?

Isn't the baby from both of them? Why should she suport the baby by her self?

Yes, biologically it takes two of course! However, if the man is adamant that he does NOT want to be a father (financially, emotionally, whatever - and one would hope that people discussed these things BEFORE they start fucking... but in reality, they usually don't), and the woman is bound and determined to have and keep the baby, she should take the responsibility all upon herself. To me, doing otherwise is extortion... and using a child as leverage is contemptible. As I said, though, that's just my opinion, as an old broad with a big family. I've got at least one young relative who became a father against his will, and without his knowledge - at least until the papers came from the DA's office, ordering him to get tested and start paying up.

When you give a dance, you gotta pay the band.

[ronaldo]

Why should she?

Isn't the baby from both of them? Why should she suport the baby by her self?

It was her choice and she chose to have the baby.

Or, maybe men should be given EQUAL say. Then when woman want to have an abortion, but the man wants the baby, she should be forced to go through the pregnancy and he can sue HER for support.

[Natalia.Taffarel]

I don't think is is extortion

When you give a dance, you gotta pay the band.

I don't get it. Doesn't this contradicts your point?

[Natalia.Taffarel]

he can sue HER for support.

If he is the one who takes care of the baby, It would be fair

I agree. If he wants the baby she should have it, but nobody can force a woman to do it.

[Jenny S.]

I was involved in an abortion problem a couple of months ago. My girlfriend's 17 year old daughter got knocked up by the 20 year old love of her life, who, of course, wasn't seen any more after he found out the girl was pregnant. Question was either to

1. abort the fetus, finish school, go to college, get a job, find a decent guy, marry, and have a family later

or

2. Have the baby, drop out of school, go on welfare and have a kid raise a kid without a father.

As long as they haven't found a way how men can carry out a baby, men can make suggestions and offer their financial support for their own child, but shouldn't have any say, especially not if they are irresponsible deadbeats.



What bothers me about the question is that the political term "pro life" has found its way in our every day language because it implicates that a woman who decides nbot to have a baby is "against life". The funny thing is that those who politically are "pro life" and want to save "unborn life" often don't give a rats ass about born life.

If you are agaisnt abortion you are "pro life" if you are against a war you are an unpatriotic coward. Isn't that how this type of logic works.

[ronaldo]

but nobody can force a woman to do it.

Then nobody should force a man to pay.

[ronaldo]

Then nobody should force a man to pay.

Too late to edit.

He SHOULD pay, but he shouldn't be forced to.

[BoyAlley]

I'm 100% pro-choice.

[Natalia.Taffarel]

My girlfriend's 17 year old daughter got knocked up by the 20 year old love of her life

I don't like when people say "got knocked up by" She got her self into that situation, he helped. But don't take the responsabiliti away from her by saying "got knocked up by"

[baddog]

So what is your position ?

Personally, I believe when men get pregnant, carry a child inside themselves for 9 months and then give birth, breastfeed and do everything else associated with motherhood, then, and ONLY then, should men have ANY say on the subject.

To me it's about being pro-choice.

The WOMAN'S choice.

And, also IMHO, it's a PERSONAL decision, NOT societal.

When I used to have my phone business I had a job at a place that was very active with the right-to--life movement. When I discovered that I stopped working and told them to find someone else.

They got into an argument with me about the abortion issue and the guy tried to convince me that since he can't force a woman to have an abortion, he should have some say about whether or not she could have an abortion.

I was stunned. I asked him if he wanted to restate that, and he said no, so I just left.

[baddog]

I've got at least one young relative who became a father against his will, and without his knowledge - at least until the papers came from the DA's office, ordering him to get tested and start paying up.

When you give a dance, you gotta pay the band.

Did she rape him or something? No one forced him to fuck her without a condom.

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