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10-29-2006, 06:51 AM

Why did they leave out the "height"-tag?
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10-29-2006, 06:52 AM

That's what CSS is for

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10-29-2006, 06:53 AM

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10-29-2006, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by StuartD

That's what CSS is for

You sure about that?

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10-29-2006, 06:56 AM

but they left "width"?

sounds fishy, maybe you typed it wrong

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10-29-2006, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by dvd316

but they left "width"?

sounds fishy, maybe you typed it wrong

No. I mean, height does work with css. (like height:320px) BUT height:100% does NOT work. ie. the percentages no longer work with css or XHTML.
which kinda sucks. Now I'm back to using HTML :P

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10-29-2006, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

No. I mean, height does work with css. (like height:320px) BUT height:100% does NOT work. ie. the percentages no longer work with css or XHTML.
which kinda sucks. Now I'm back to using HTML :P

LOL.. OK got ya

Yep, I find myself going 'old school' HTML quite often. Good thing I learned all that code by manually typing it in notepad for all those projects.

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10-29-2006, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

No. I mean, height does work with css. (like height:320px) BUT height:100% does NOT work. ie. the percentages no longer work with css or XHTML.
which kinda sucks. Now I'm back to using HTML :P

No, it works, but it works differently to how you're probably trying to use it.
height: 100% will make it the height of its element/parent element, not cause it to fill the entire page or some empty area that height="100%" in a table would, for example.

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10-29-2006, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

No, it works, but it works differently to how you're probably trying to use it.
height: 100% will make it the height of its element/parent element, not cause it to fill the entire page or some empty area that height="100%" in a table would, for example.

Not true. Have you tested it?

ie. in styles:
body, html {height:100%;margin:0px}
table.lala {height:100%}

in xhtml document:

<html>
<body>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="lala">
<tr><td></td></tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

..and you claim that'd work?

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10-29-2006, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Not true. Have you tested it?

ie. in styles:
body, html {height:100%;border:0px}
table.lala {height:100%}

in xhtml document:

<html>
<body>
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="lala">
<tr><td></td></tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

..and you claim that'd work?

no ?

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10-29-2006, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

No, it works, but it works differently to how you're probably trying to use it.
height: 100% will make it the height of its element/parent element, not cause it to fill the entire page or some empty area that height="100%" in a table would, for example.

or do you mean that because there's nothing to fill with 'table' tag in my above statement that's the reason it doesn't fill the screen? Well, no shit. In other words it doesn't work.

I specified the body to have 0 margin = screen full of emptiness to be filled, so why doesn't the table height 100% fill it? Since body is basically the parent-tag of table, no?

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10-29-2006, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

or do you mean that because there's nothing to fill with 'table' tag in my above statement that's the reason it doesn't fill the screen? Well, no shit. In other words it doesn't work.

I specified the body to have 0 margin = screen full of emptiness to be filled, so why doesn't the table height 100% fill it?

I mean exactly what I said: It works, but not in the way you're trying to use it

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10-29-2006, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

I mean exactly what I said: It works, but not in the way you're trying to use it

Well, it doesn't work then.
OR, let me know how I can make a table span the length of a screen regardless of the resolution. If you can't tell me that, then CSS+XHTML is lacking.

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10-29-2006, 07:16 AM

can somebody help me with my frameset please?
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10-29-2006, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Well, it doesn't work then.
OR, let me know how I can make a table span the length of a screen regardless of the resolution. If you can't tell me that, then CSS+XHTML is lacking.

Only thing lacking here is a google search or a trip to WC3.org

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10-29-2006, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Only thing lacking here is a google search or a trip to WC3.org

I hope you're kidding.. as if I haven't checked both. I can only assume you *think* you can make it work, but I'd like to see.. as it doesn't.
You can't make valid XHTML + valid CSS and get a table spanning 100% of the document size.

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10-29-2006, 07:29 AM

Table = tabular data, not a layout, they aren't intended to provide the behavior you are after.
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10-29-2006, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

I hope you're kidding.. as if I haven't checked both. I can only assume you *think* you can make it work, but I'd like to see.. as it doesn't.
You can't make valid XHTML + valid CSS and get a table spanning 100% of the document size.

I was really hoping YOU were kidding.

http://www.ninjito.com/ohyes.html
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...m%2Fohyes.html

Wow, a full height table in valid XHTML.
Who would have thought.

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10-29-2006, 07:39 AM

I asked you to help with my frameset, not create a table spanning the height of a page in valid xhtml....

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10-29-2006, 07:41 AM

Lol. Wtf?
Nice.. however I'm fucking baffled. as I've tried pretty much the exact same thing and I just couldn't make the bitch work.

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10-29-2006, 07:41 AM

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10-29-2006, 07:43 AM

Lol. Wtf?
Nice.. however I'm fucking baffled. as I've tried pretty much the exact same thing and I just couldn't make the bitch work.

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10-29-2006, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by dozey

I asked you to help with my frameset, not create a table spanning the height of a page in valid xhtml....

loser.

Lol. Start your own thread about it, maybe someone would help.
See, I didn't even ask for help. I just said it didn't work, and someone proved me wrong = I got help.

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10-29-2006, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

I was really hoping YOU were kidding.

http://www.ninjito.com/ohyes.html
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...m%2Fohyes.html

Wow, a full height table in valid XHTML.
Who would have thought.

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10-29-2006, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by interracialtoons

CRUEL OWNAGE!!!

No it's not. It's a page that proves me wrong and I can use that.
No matter how much I'd like to be right every time, I'm not.

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10-29-2006, 07:47 AM

Oh incidentally, if you Google for "xhtml full height" and hit I'm feeling lucky, it shows a / the solution.

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10-29-2006, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

No it's not. It's a page that proves me wrong and I can use that.
No matter how much I'd like to be right every time, I'm not.

Nah, it's ownage.

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10-29-2006, 07:49 AM

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10-29-2006, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Nah, it's ownage.

If it makes you feel manly ;)

I actually tried google etc with css xhtml height 100% (not with fullheight).

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10-29-2006, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

If it makes you feel manly ;)

I actually tried google etc with css xhtml height 100% (not with fullheight).

Solutions on the 3rd, 4th and 5th result?

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10-29-2006, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

Solutions on the 3rd, 4th and 5th result?

Nothing that actually worked. No idea why really. I tried quite a few times, the only reason I can come up with now in retrospect is that I had a typo somewhere. I was getting fucking fed-up with fucking around it, so I changed to html

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10-29-2006, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Well, it doesn't work then.
OR, let me know how I can make a table span the length of a screen regardless of the resolution. If you can't tell me that, then CSS+XHTML is lacking.

Misunderstanding #1:
In terms of what your browser does with the code, XHTML is treated exactly the same as plain HTML, so a problem you are having in XHTML will not go away simply because you switch to HTML. If a switch to HTML appeared to cure it, you made some other change too or perhaps changed something else when you switched doctypes.

Misunderstanding #2:
Height works perfectly well, but if you quote a height as a %age, logic should have you asking "100% of what?". That's what a browser asks when it comes upon your instruction, so if the block you want to be 100% of something does not sit inside another block, not unreasonably, browsers treat the viewport (ie the visible area of the screen) as the container.

Anyway, whether that question occurred to you or not, the answer to it provides the basis for the various solutions people have already pointed you to.

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10-29-2006, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by jayeff

Misunderstanding #1:
In terms of what your browser does with the code, XHTML is treated exactly the same as plain HTML, so a problem you are having in XHTML will not go away simply because you switch to HTML. If a switch to HTML appeared to cure it, you made some other change too or perhaps changed something else when you switched doctypes.

Funnily enough it worked as is after I switched to HTML transitional in the doctype. In opera, firefox and IE. Good enough for me.

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