New Netscape version kills popups

[scoreman]

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-977767...t=dtx&tag=ntop

IE is probably right around the corner on this as well.

[Fletch XXX]

[FATPad]

Good. I can't wait til all popups are gone.

[UncleJimmy]

big woop

popups been dying in effectiveness anyways over the past few years....

[TheDoc]

Guess all the flat rate programs will have to start to evaluate lowering payouts.

[.:Frog:.]

Wonderful, I'm 100% against popups!!!!

All the guys with the popup traps are going to be crying.
Boo Fucking Hoo

[Deathstar]

use opera

[High Quality]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
Wonderful, I'm 100% against popups!!!!

All the guys with the popup traps are going to be crying.
Boo Fucking Hoo

Agreed. One thing tho, I can't believe that Nutscrape actually had some ingenuity.

[scoreman]

Im trying to imagine the impact of no consoles. Lots of business models go right to the crapper. Who do you all think will be most affected with the major browsers killing consoles?

[.:Frog:.]

Originally posted by High Quality

Agreed. One thing tho, I can't believe that Nutscrape actually had some ingenuity.

Every webmaster should use netscape for the mail program. Hands down better then outlook. But I don't feel like debating this with die hard MS fans though.

[Fletch XXX]

I dont care because I dont use them.

Sponsors can deal with it, since theyve based their models on popups.

[titmowse]

been surfing popup-free since August with Mozilla.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by scoreman
Im trying to imagine the impact of no consoles. Lots of business models go right to the crapper. Who do you all think will be most affected with the major browsers killing consoles?

Offshore clicks. HAHAHA

And all the other pay per signup sponsors with shitty paysites who rely on slamming surfers to death with popups so they can afford to dangle a nicely shaved FORTY DOLLARS PER SIGNUP in every webmaster's face.

[.:Frog:.]

Originally posted by scoreman
Im trying to imagine the impact of no consoles. Lots of business models go right to the crapper. Who do you all think will be most affected with the major browsers killing consoles?

Some sponsors allow you to send traffic to a popup free tour. Same payouts!
Once popups are finished you'll have surfers more willing to visit ads without fear of a popup chain.
My guess is CTR would increase and people make more money.

Sponsors with a shitty tour will lose money. They rely on exits to make money. Offshore clicks is fucked for example.

[ColKurtz]

I was one of the few people that supported cashquests kill that console, for this very reason. Its coming anyway, so might as well get some dumbass surfers to pay for it.

[salsbury]

heh.. uh.. netscape incorporated that from mozilla, which has had the option forever. i haven't seen a pop-up in months.

[Manga1]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
Wonderful, I'm 100% against popups!!!!

All the guys with the popup traps are going to be crying.
Boo Fucking Hoo

And where do you send your traffic?

[.:Frog:.]

Originally posted by Manga1

And where do you send your traffic?

At this point I just run TGPS.
I use 2 sponsors which contain popups but credit me for any sales on them.
So I could care less about that.
I also sell traffic to choker.

I'll be starting a paysite sometime and don't plan to use popups on that. Probably by the time it opens, popups will be finished already.

[Manga1]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.

At this point I just run TGPS.
I use 2 sponsors which contain popups but credit me for any sales on them.
So I could care less about that.
I also sell traffic to choker.

I'll be starting a paysite sometime and don't plan to use popups on that. Probably by the time it opens, popups will be finished already.

Maybe if you weren't stuck in the tgp game you'd realize that popups can add a nice 20-30% to your bottom line. When you say you are 100% against popups you sound more like a surfer, rather than a webmaster. I really don't understand people like you.

[funkmaster]

... it´s amazing, I hate popups myself ... but on the other hand they made me some good money ... I feel bad having popupstopper installed ...

[CowboyAtHeart]

Originally posted by High Quality


Agreed. One thing tho, I can't believe that Nutscrape actually had some ingenuity.

Mozilla has had this functionality for a long time now. (As have many other browsers)
The previous netscape release should have
had it as well (as it's based on mozilla) but
netscape actually removed the feature before
packaging it. (maybe to keep their advertisers
happy, or in an effort to chase more users away?)

I feel sorry for those who use IE.

[.:Frog:.]

Originally posted by Manga1

When you say you are 100% against popups you sound more like a surfer, rather than a webmaster. I really don't understand people like you.

Basically I hold this belief that if a surfer visits a sponsor and gets hit with a large chain of popups it will piss them off.
Many still surf with 56 speed modems and can't load half the ads fast enough.

The surfer then hits another paysite, and another and continues to battle with popups.

At some point it registers with the surfer that clicking sponsors is BAD...So now the guy isn't as likely to check out your ads.

This leads to lower CTR and less money for everyone.
(except the sponsor with the million popups.)

If popups were to vanish tomorrow, I bet everyone would start seeing higher CTR on their ads, and the majority of webmasters would make more money.

Now from a surfers point of view, no popups are wonderful. I just installed netscape7 and love it. Netscape was always useful for e-mail, but with version 7 its good enough to use as a main browser.

[Hooper]

a little birdy has told me that injunctions are pending against many of these software makers. :-)

[psyko514]

AOL also does this.

i'm curious as to how good their software will be.
i've seen a lot of pop-up killers that will even kill a window you open by right-clicking links and choosing "Open new window"

[opflix]

<b>"Some sponsors allow you to send traffic to a popup free tour. Same payouts!"</b>

same payouts? yeah... right... try HIGHER SHAVING PERCENTAGE. you don't REALLY believe those mofos are payin you 40/signup do you? lol.... sad.

[Mr.Fiction]

Like them or hate them, pop ups make you more money. As long as you don't mind making less money, then go ahead and cheer.

[MonkeyMan]

Netscape 7.0 sucks ass. target=_blank links dont work correctly and a whole host of other shit including table cellpadding. Its a piece of SHITE.

[Manga1]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.

Basically I hold this belief that if a surfer visits a sponsor and gets hit with a large chain of popups it will piss them off.
Many still surf with 56 speed modems and can't load half the ads fast enough.

The surfer then hits another paysite, and another and continues to battle with popups.

At some point it registers with the surfer that clicking sponsors is BAD...So now the guy isn't as likely to check out your ads.

This leads to lower CTR and less money for everyone.
(except the sponsor with the million popups.)

If popups were to vanish tomorrow, I bet everyone would start seeing higher CTR on their ads, and the majority of webmasters would make more money.

I have to disagree with your theory, and it really is only a theory. While I believe that the typical freeloading tgp surfer is less likely to click on a sponsor ad, I don't think that has anything to do with popups, but more to do with the fact that he is trained by the tgps not to pay for porn. So after clicking on a few ads he realizes that they only lead to places where he has to pay, and why should he pay for porn when he gets all this great hardcore for free already. It really has nothing to do with popups.

Now you take a surfer who clicks on an ad because he sees something interesting. He goes there, but it isn't what he wants so he leaves. On exit, another ad is popped up in front of him and this one is also interesting, so the surfer clicks it and this site is more to his liking so he signs up. Now this surfer has been turned into a customer. If there wasn't a popup he would've been a lost sale.

If you want to talk about ctr, popups do increase ctr. With no popups you get one click out of the surfer and either he signs up or he doesn't, but with popups you can get multiple clicks from a surfer, and you have more opportunities to sell him which wouldn't be available otherwise.

When used correctly, popups are very useful and profitable. If you're an idiot and bombard the surfer with consoles till his browser crashes then you've missed the point. Like everything else popups are sales tools and getting rid of them will do more damage than good.

[Theo]

Let's show to these fools what we are doing in the west side baby!

[tony286]

I think a few pops dont hurt but I cant see the point of pop up bombs. We added four pop up and it doubled our membership. Also you can close them, they go away not like ours that just keep opening other popups. Exit console is a very effective tool I worked for a main stream dot.com and my job was partnerships to drive traffic. Sites that put us on their exit console did very well.