POLL - TGP databases

[NoWhErE]

I'm curious, I've been using Chameleon submitter and LOVE the software.

The one thing I'm questionning though is its database. Although huge (over 2000+ TGPs and MGPs in it), is it really that great? I've been visiting alot of the sites in its database, and seems like most of them are just average TGPs, probably not receiving much traffic or even LISTING any galleries submitted to them. Then again, I might just be imagining things.

Why am I questionning its database? Well, I used to use Dreamsubmitter, GREAT software, I just didn't like its interface enough for me to keep using it. BUT, its database of TGPs was superb. Even though it had less TGPs in its database, most of them seemed like active TGPs with actual traffic going to them.


Now, What do you guys think? am I off my rocker? Would there be a way to combine both databases? Why does DS and Chameleon have such different databases? Whats going on?

Lets hear it! Which DB do YOU guys prefer?

[CaptainHowdy]

I think submitting w/ Chameleon to partner accounts will give you some better results...

I must try DreamSubmitter !

[tenderobject]

bump i want some answer as well!

[NoWhErE]

I think submitting w/ Chameleon to partner accounts will give you some better results...

I must try DreamSubmitter !

Of course submitting to Partner Accounts will always yield better results, but if you have PAs with shitty TGPs, whats that going to give you?

[fris]

make your own database.

[jayeff]

Your question suggests a perspective I never really understood...

Unless you are totally confident that your submit-assist software will not cause problems, you likely submit to the biggest sites, partner accounts, etc., in manual mode. If that is all you are going to do, stick to software like GASS and Roboform which do a great job, are simple and cheap.

Isn't the whole point of auto-submit software (it certainly was when it first appeared) that with very little additional time or effort you can submit to the hundreds of TGPs which would not be worth considering otherwise? Unless you don't see it that way, it is pointless to worry about which specific TGPs send what traffic and if you start trying to clean up this part of the database, you are totally undermining its value.

I always got the impression that the DS database (which used to cost extra, don't know if it still does) was more filtered and that's probably better if you want an easier starting point to apply for partner accounts. But for fulfilling the auto-submitter part of its job best, the Chameleon database (especially because it is updated almost daily and has always been free) has to be what is required.

[tornell]

1. Make your own database
2. Use Chameleon Partner Account Requester

[flashbang]

90% of the sites are garbage and phoney and some even attempt to install virus on your machine... most want your email as well, which hasnt worked since 1998 but they still try and spam that crap..

[cranki]

2. Use Chameleon Partner Account Requester

hm there was a thread about this some days ago in which ppl. said PAR was useless as it only got you a few PAs to shitty tgps because most bigger ones simply rejected those automatic requests?!

[webgurl]

the database that submitting software gives you is useless . you won't get listed with any of the sites and if you do like the other guy says its b.s sites . Getting free accounts these days is difficult especially for any good sites .
Best is to build your own database up

[hjnet]

http://updates.advancedsubmitter.com/ TGP, MGP and LinkList Databases, those are the perfect startup to build your own DBs, as they also contain lot's (400+) of places to request free partner accounts, and lot's of sites tht sell accounts/spots and traffic networks. So you'd save yourself lot's of upfront work

For free partner accounts you can also take a look at PartnerRequester.com

In the end it always depends how much time you spend to maintain your own Databases, a service that would do all required work for you would cost at least $500 per month per DB.

[NoWhErE]

I'm curious to find out where one would find such productive TGPs to add to my database?

[jayeff]

In the end it always depends how much time you spend to maintain your own Databases, a service that would do all required work for you would cost at least $500 per month per DB.

If that is true then haven't these submitters all passed their sell-by-date?

Seriously, TGSW started this whole market off and its big drawback was that it took 3 days or whatever to set the database up and then about another day a week to maintain it. It was worthwhile back then because of the traffic that followed, but the big edge DS, AS and CS had when they came along, was that you got all the traffic with almost no work.

But if, as your comment suggests, maintaining a sizeable database is once again a lot of work (and the returns are diminishing), aren't we back to having a manual submit list of 50 or so sites, right where we were in the beginning? And if so, as I wrote above, why not just save a whole lot of money and go with GASS/Roboform?

[hjnet]

But if, as your comment suggests, maintaining a sizeable database is once again a lot of work (and the returns are diminishing), aren't we back to having a manual submit list of 50 or so sites, right where we were in the beginning? And if so, as I wrote above, why not just save a whole lot of money and go with GASS/Roboform?

At first I don't think that the returns are diminishing, the returns might have lowered for those that don't know what they're doing, but for the 10% of top submitters it has increased during the last 2 years. Actually you can see public trackers of submitters that get 700k+ uniques per day, and I don't even want to know what people make that only use their access_logs to track visitors.

But due to the amount of sites that is out there actually you need a submission software, there are more than 150 sites out there that actually sell spots/partner accounts, more than 1500 that give free partner accounts, and much more smaller ones that accept simple free submissions. To keep that organized without a submitter/database wastes by far more time (=money) as a good submission software would cost.

[jayeff]

To keep that organized without a submitter/database wastes by far more time (=money) as a good submission software would cost.

Earlier you estimated the cost of maintaining a database at $500 a month. Especially relative to the demand for such a service, that has to be one of the lowest running costs it is possible to imagine any business facing. Even in my one-horse town a small store costs upwards of $1,000 a month in rent alone...

So what exactly is the excuse for most submission script authors talking about their databases being a starting point? It's ludicrous that hundreds of submitters are either working with scripts crippled by the GIGO principle, or spending the time or money to update their own databases. Why should they have to worry about more than highlighting with whom they have partner accounts, when it would take such a small number of reasonably priced subscriptions to cover the cost of doing it centrally?

Selling a car without an engine (and forgetting to mention it) wouldn't be a million miles away from the way some submission scripts are sold...

[hjnet]

Earlier you estimated the cost of maintaining a database at $500 a month. Especially relative to the demand for such a service, that has to be one of the lowest running costs it is possible to imagine any business facing. Even in my one-horse town a small store costs upwards of $1,000 a month in rent alone...

So what exactly is the excuse for most submission script authors talking about their databases being a starting point? It's ludicrous that hundreds of submitters are either working with scripts crippled by the GIGO principle, or spending the time or money to update their own databases. Why should they have to worry about more than highlighting with whom they have partner accounts, when it would take such a small number of reasonably priced subscriptions to cover the cost of doing it centrally?

Selling a car without an engine (and forgetting to mention it) wouldn't be a million miles away from the way some submission scripts are sold...

The problem is that there isn't a market for a good submission DB that costs $500 per month or more, that large majority of submitters want something for free, or for less than i.e. $200 one time.

[Mr. Blue]

To answer the original question that was asked.

1. Build your own database - this is a time consuming process, but it's the difference between someone converting 1:1800 with tgp traffic and 1:300 with tgp traffic. TGP traffic can be just as productive as other forms of traffic if you carefully research which tgps are worth getting accounts at...etc...etc. A stock database will only get you so far...you do need partner accounts and accounts at big or mid-sized tgps.

2. Which software to use? In the end this really doesn't matter, but you should use manually submit your pages to important sites. It doesn't take that long and you don't want to screw up submitting to a big place. Personally I use advanced submitter. I've just used it for years now, it's really easy to update the database...but there is a little learning curve before you feel 100% comfortable doing everything. Just make sure to read the tutorials completely.

3. I don't mean to step on anyone's services, but you'd have to be completely insane to use any automated partner account request software...You just wont get any of the big accounts that way, you may get some tiny accounts, but more likely you'll just piss off the mid-sized tgps and never get an account again (some places might even blacklist you). The best way to get accounts at big places is to do some homework, see how the partner accounts are given out, and to make sure when you do apply for important accounts that you don't just send out a generic email, etc.

4. Buying accounts. There's a few places that are worth it and then a whole other group that are not worth it...just read a few boards and you'll get an idea on which places people had success with...etc.

[jayeff]

The problem is that there isn't a market for a good submission DB that costs $500 per month or more, that large majority of submitters want something for free, or for less than i.e. $200 one time.

Last post and this only because you cannot get away with that. A database which costs $500 a month to maintain, in this context and with reasonable marketing, should produce a nice profit if it were priced in the range of $20-$50 per customer per month.

But as things stand and by your own estimate, 90% of the people buying these (relatively) cheap scripts, if they don't tackle the $6,000-worth of work a year you say it takes to make them fully useful, basically don't stand a chance of making money with them. That's frankly ridiculous.

[NoWhErE]

To answer the original question that was asked.

1. Build your own database - this is a time consuming process, but it's the difference between someone converting 1:1800 with tgp traffic and 1:300 with tgp traffic. TGP traffic can be just as productive as other forms of traffic if you carefully research which tgps are worth getting accounts at...etc...etc. A stock database will only get you so far...you do need partner accounts and accounts at big or mid-sized tgps.

2. Which software to use? In the end this really doesn't matter, but you should use manually submit your pages to important sites. It doesn't take that long and you don't want to screw up submitting to a big place. Personally I use advanced submitter. I've just used it for years now, it's really easy to update the database...but there is a little learning curve before you feel 100% comfortable doing everything. Just make sure to read the tutorials completely.

3. I don't mean to step on anyone's services, but you'd have to be completely insane to use any automated partner account request software...You just wont get any of the big accounts that way, you may get some tiny accounts, but more likely you'll just piss off the mid-sized tgps and never get an account again (some places might even blacklist you). The best way to get accounts at big places is to do some homework, see how the partner accounts are given out, and to make sure when you do apply for important accounts that you don't just send out a generic email, etc.

4. Buying accounts. There's a few places that are worth it and then a whole other group that are not worth it...just read a few boards and you'll get an idea on which places people had success with...etc.

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[hjnet]

Last post and this only because you cannot get away with that. A database which costs $500 a month to maintain, in this context and with reasonable marketing, should produce a nice profit if it were priced in the range of $20-$50 per customer per month.

But as things stand and by your own estimate, 90% of the people buying these (relatively) cheap scripts, if they don't tackle the $6,000-worth of work a year you say it takes to make them fully useful, basically don't stand a chance of making money with them. That's frankly ridiculous.

I meant $500 per costumer per month And that would be too expensive for 99% of possible buyers, so it wouldn't sell, and that's the reason why a perfectly maintained database doesn't exist (yet)