CCbill.. pulling the plug?

[psyko514]

100.

[foe]

another one bytes the dust

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

Originally posted by dig420


and your sig says 'mother spanking daughters' lol...

but is doesnt say the girls are under age... lots of mother daughter teams out there that are of age...fantasy of pretending and actually exposing underage girls are two different things.

there is some mother/daughter/aunt swing team out there on the net somethwhere..cant remember their names off hand..

[geps]

Originally posted by dig420


and your sig says 'mother spanking daughters' lol...

priceless...

[Machete_]

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
there is a huge market for legitimate teen model websites. I happen to run a couple that are totally non-nude and are tasteful teen sites.

"tastefull! what hte fuck is wrong with you - you know that most of the members are pedos.

People likeyou give the business a bad name

[XYCash]

Originally posted by ebus_dk


"tastefull! what hte fuck is wrong with you - you know that most of the members are pedos.

People likeyou give the business a bad name

I know this is an old thread, but what is the difference between a site like the one mentioned above and a magazine like 17 magazine, or Cosmo Girls or American teen Magazine:

http://www.americanteen.tv/

Or this one which has the description in google:

Trading card game for girls includes pictures of real guys, ages 12 to 22, with personal profiles.

http://www.boycrazy.com

I think it's hard to draw a distinction between them as they all focus on under 18, legal content.

[Machete_]

Originally posted by XYCash


I know this is an old thread, but what is the difference between a site like the one mentioned above and a magazine like 17 magazine, or Cosmo Girls or American teen Magazine:

http://www.americanteen.tv/

Or this one which has the description in google:

Trading card game for girls includes pictures of real guys, ages 12 to 22, with personal profiles.

http://www.boycrazy.com

I think it's hard to draw a distinction between them as they all focus on under 18, legal content.

How is it that one perverted asshole makes it legal for everybody to be peverted assholes?


admit it - ALL under18 content are focused mainly on perverts

[XYCash]

Originally posted by ebus_dk



How is it that one perverted asshole makes it legal for everybody to be peverted assholes?

admit it - ALL under18 content are focused mainly on perverts

Don't know who it's focused on...I suppose a whole variety of markets...case in point. The Olsen twins who just turned 17:

http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...hreadid=143046

[blackmonsters]

I hate child porn!!!

But I don't like accusing people of it without the facts either because that is slander.

I looked at this guys sites and saw this on every site:

Legal Information


All models are at least 18 years of age at the time they are photographed. As per the most stringent interpretation of U.S. law, we require all models to produce at least 2 forms of government-issued identification. Further, all primary producers are required to provide identification in the form of a government-issued ID card. All models, actors, actresses and other persons that appear in any visual depiction of the actual sexual conduct appearing or otherwise contained in or at a J&J Productions produced website were over the age of eighteen years at the time of the creation of such depictions. Some of the aforementioned depictions appearing or otherwise contained in or at a J & J Productions produced website contain only visual depictions of actual sexually explicit conduct made before July 3, 1995 and, as such, are exempt from the requirements set forth in 18 U.S.C. 2257 and C.F.R. 75. With regard to the remaining depictions of actual sexual conduct appearing or otherwise contained in or at a J & J Productions, produced website, all records required by 18 U.S.C. § 2257, for this website and all graphic images associated therewith, are in the custody of the custodian of records- J & J Productions, 42247 E. Ann Arbor Rd, Plymouth, MI. Due to the sensitive nature of these personal records, they are open for inspection to law enforcement only. For the safety of the models all requests for these records will be honored only upon verification of the identification and status of the person requesting to access the records as current federal, state or local law enforcement official.


I also saw this models passport:

http://www.perfectiongirls.com/exits/jenni.php



I didn't see any models that appeared to be under 18.
If shooting 18 yr olds is called CP then we all are guilty because
all of our sponsors use 18 yr old models.

I don't make the law or the porn. But 18 is legal and we are all promoting that. So I think some people didn't actually look at his sites and just went on a lynch mob trip.

Once again; I HATE CHILD PORN; but it doesn't look like this guy is doing that. His sites look legal with models of legal age.
I think the word "teen" is throwing people off. But when you go to court at 18 yrs old you will be tried as an adult, treated like an adult and the judge will never refer to you as a "teen" because you are not in juvanile court.

Lets get the pedophiles; but we should skip the witch hunting.

[Sin_Vraal]

This under age legal shit is the reason I had to shut down my free host. God I fucking hate all this CP. Fucking causes nothing but problems , and just servers to make a bunch of middle age perverts who need to relieve some fucked up fantasies about 16 yr old girls. I'm not even gonna give you sick fucks a chance to spread your scum into my backyard.


Look at the way you have them posing and claim that they arent meant for a bunch of peds to beat off to. There is nothing else it is there for. your not selling underwear in a macy's catalog. these arent baby pictures for their parents. nothing but shit for peds to beat off to.

If they are 18, thats different, but if your shooting them under 18 (which it seems you implied from your original posting). Well I'd shut your ass down too and not think twice

[PerfectionGirls]

If they are 18, thats different, but if your shooting them under 18 (which it seems you implied from your original posting). Well I'd shut your ass down too and not think twice

As you should! Its fucked up for sure. It is an issue that needs to be address.

As you seen from my first post in this thread. We.. at one time had a teen non-nude site. It did very well. She was 18, but looked all of 15. We made a mistake and ran in in the teen modeling areas and went after that market. Never should have done it, but we did know know at the time where and what are roll was as a webmaster. CCbill was processing that site and everything was gong along fine. With the new visa regs... sites like that were not allowed at ccbill any longer. I would say it was a good thing now that I look back on it and I am very happy they stopped processing that sort of site. At the time were were new here... (my second post ever) and we did know know it was out of line. Since the girl was 18 we did not see it being a problem. We did play her off as being younger, but the whole non-nude market does the same even if they are over 18. It's what there surfers crave. However.. 18 is 18! and we have and always produced sites that were 18 years and older and will continue to do so. We are 2257 compliant on everything we produce now and in the past.. and we can more then back it up.

I think the non-nude market has its place, but I will admit, in most cases the girls are made to look REALLY young in order to appeal to that market. You will find they are most of them advertised in the same sites and areas as many underage teen models are found. Its just wrong and i see why everyone is disgusted by it. Non-nude is an area that should not be explored by adult webmasters. It's a very grey area and one that should be kept away from. We made a mistake about 18 months ago that we will not make again.

Non-nude = bad news even if it is over 18...not as much for its content, but for giving that cp market something to look at. To many, 18 plus, non-nude sites advertise on underage teen sites. WAY TO MANY.

[xdcdave]

Jeff... You're forgetting to mention that there is an entire NN community out there that does not support the under 18 market at all.

Look at MishandJamie.. are you going to tell me they look 14? No, they are NN, they are beautiful as anything, and they convert. Why? Because non-nude is a fetish, not solely a way for perverts to look at underage ass.

As for all of the sub-18 model sites and freesites, I hope they all go the way of the Pet Rock. Good fucking riddence.

So to say that:

Non-nude = bad news even if it is over 18...not as much for its content, but for giving that cp market something to look at.

That is total bullshit and you know it. Look at all of the nude sites that feature girls that look 15-16! Why would a pedo want to look at legal NN content if he can see her getting fucked on a teen hardcore site?

Sorry Jeff.. but your quote just makes one thing come to mind.. Go Fuck Yourself!

[XYCash]

Originally posted by xdcdave
Look at MishandJamie.. are you going to tell me they look 14? No, they are NN, they are beautiful as anything, and they convert. Why? Because non-nude is a fetish, not solely a way for perverts to look at underage ass.

This is interesting...i had no clue non nude stuff 18+ was a decent niche, though I'd thought about trying it out a few times. Are there more out there like that?

-joe

[PerfectionGirls]

As for all of the sub-18 model sites and freesites, I hope they all go the way of the Pet Rock. Good fucking riddence.

I could not agree more man!

Now.. it was not ment to offend. All I can say is why? If they are true adult sites why are they on sites that also have underage teen models? You can't tell me that most non-nude tgp's and the like dont just cater to the "over 18 model crowd".

As long as its 2257 compliant I dont give a shit and I said that in my post above. However... if we advertise on sites that also have underage models then we are not doing anything to combat the problem. Nearly all that non-nude traffic is from models that are under 18 so even if the site is 18 and over its profiting from the same traffic as the pedo surfers..Not in every case, but with most.

Look at MishandJamie.. are you going to tell me they look 14? No, they are NN, they are beautiful as anything, and they convert. Why? Because non-nude is a fetish, not solely a way for perverts to look at underage ass.

I have looked at that site and unless some of the content was pulled out.. there is nudity (at least topless) in that site. Do they look?... not to me at all, but it does cater to that market.. maybe not "solely" but they do well in that area. Yes.. they are cute girls, cute enough to not need the "non-nude" statis.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that site or other non-nude legal sites. Thats nuts... what I am saying is that if a webmaster is marketing his site in an underage teen site area they they are just as much a part of the problem. I delte accounts everyday that hav some of those "teen" sites on them and the webmaster gets an email with the reason why. If we want it to go away, we need to stop feading it. Thats all man.

[xdcdave]

Tons of them.

www.TiffanyTeen.com
www.KarenDreams.com
www.StaceyOnline.com
www.StunningSerena.com

Those are the good ones that come to the top of my mind right now. But there are plenty more.

[ONS]

Lots of em exist which are 100% legal and one which does very well is www.kirstens-room.com

[SPIKE326]

Just cause people are making a lot of money without paying taxes the government has to step in.

[XYCash]

Originally posted by xdcdave
Tons of them.

Those are the good ones that come to the top of my mind right now. But there are plenty more.

thanks I'll check them out

-joe

[xdcdave]

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


I have looked at that site and unless some of the content was pulled out.. there is nudity (at least topless) in that site. Do they look?... not to me at all, but it does cater to that market.. maybe not "solely" but they do well in that area. Yes.. they are cute girls, cute enough to not need the "non-nude" statis.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that site or other non-nude legal sites. Thats nuts... what I am saying is that if a webmaster is marketing his site in an underage teen site area they they are just as much a part of the problem. I delte accounts everyday that hav some of those "teen" sites on them and the webmaster gets an email with the reason why. If we want it to go away, we need to stop feading it. Thats all man.

Like I said, there is an entire community of legal NN sites that don't support the underage bullshit in the arena. This community does not advertise on the underage sites, or trade traffic with them. We cut them off from our traffic and we all know when Verotel and Globosale go out of business, there will be nobody to process for all those underage pedo sites out there and we will be left with the legal sites standing.

Yes.. they are cute girls, cute enough to not need the "non-nude" statis.

What does that mean? They are too cute to not get naked? Help me out here.

- D.

[a1ka1ine]

Originally posted by XYCash



thanks I'll check them out

-joe

i run staceyonline.com and wouldnt recommend you promote her unless you have teen/nonnude traffic - she has always done particularily bad from tgp traffic..

karen however rocks like a money-puppy and converts like a phat-bitch on heat! tiffany will seriously make you bank too..

ahh so much money to be made!

i have a feeling today is going to be a slow day due to fathers day and the heat perhaps.. ahh well, last week was great :-D

[PerfectionGirls]

What does that mean? They are too cute to not get naked? Help me out here.

They are cute enough not to have to rely on that sort of traffic. It was a compliment man. Its a decent site.

I am very familiar with all those site you mentioned. Hell.. I send a ton of sign ups to tiffanyteen myself. She does really well off my NUDE, teen traffic. I have spent severeal hours on the phone with the owner of that site and I am very aware of its consistant conversion pattern. I also very aware of the conversion records on the other sites mentioned. I can tell you excactly what there conversions are off front page hits.

All I am saying is that we need to make a clear distinction between non-nude, under 18 and non-nude LEGAL! If that is done it will help to end the under 18 market. I still think it s grey area, when people peddle there legal sites on sites that have underage models. Maybe you don't and thats great! Keep up the good work then.

[xdcdave]

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


They are cute enough not to have to rely on that sort of traffic. It was a compliment man. Its a decent site.

I dont think I'm making myself very clear. Most of the legal NN paysites out there do NOT rely on underage traffic. In fact, the owners of most of these sites do a wonderful job of policing where their traffic is coming from and deleting affiliate accounts that are from underage sites. Granted, this is not 100% of the sites, but it is damn near all.

I am very familiar with all those site you mentioned. Hell.. I send a ton of sign ups to tiffanyteen myself. She does really well off my NUDE, teen traffic. I have spent severeal hours on the phone with the owner of that site and I am very aware of its consistant conversion pattern. I also very aware of the conversion records on the other sites mentioned. I can tell you excactly what there conversions are off front page hits.

I agree, most NN sites do very well with nude traffic. These girls are hot as hell, they don't need to get naked for surfers to spank off.

All I am saying is that we need to make a clear distinction between non-nude, under 18 and non-nude LEGAL! If that is done it will help to end the under 18 market. I still think it s grey area, when people peddle there legal sites on sites that have underage models. Maybe you don't and thats great! Keep up the good work then.

This is already being done. Legal NN site owners don't trade or promote under 18 NN sites, that's the bottom line. Like I said, when Verotel and Globosale go under, we'll all be better off in the NN niche.

[McAttack]

Originally posted by XYCash


I know this is an old thread, but what is the difference between a site like the one mentioned above and a magazine like 17 magazine, or Cosmo Girls or American teen Magazine:

http://www.americanteen.tv/

Or this one which has the description in google:

Trading card game for girls includes pictures of real guys, ages 12 to 22, with personal profiles.

http://www.boycrazy.com

I think it's hard to draw a distinction between them as they all focus on under 18, legal content.

Simple Marketing knowledge would answer your question here. Who is the target market for Cosmo Girls, 17 Magazine and whatever other teen magazine? Teen age girls. It's made for the young teen girls who go to the pharmacy, buy some makeup and buy a magazine to learn whatever.

A site like this is processed by credit card, which is a form of age verification.

I'm glad the site got taken out or hope it did actually. Not so much because in the webmaster's eyes it's not bad or whatever, but because he has to realize who the fuck is buying memberships to it. Call it a Non-Nude teen modelling site, whatever, but I doubt modelling agencies are buying memberships to scope out new talent here.

Fuckers like this will get targetted by Ashhahahahaha and his crew, and I'm happy for it too. Btw, a mother already lost custody of her daughter in the states somewhere because she took pictures of her in the backyard in her bathing suit. What she thought was innocent pictures was deemed pornographic by the local law. They weren't sold or anything, the person who processed the pictures to be developped saw them and called the cops.

[Gunni]

Originally posted by Shoplifter
Please tell me that MET will finally be moving to DiBill where it belongs..

DiBill?? And should they host at likewhoa

[PerfectionGirls]

All and all this is a great topic and one that should be discussed on a regular basis. I'm glad I got a lesson on the back when I did and that we dropped the non-nude niche... even if it is legal. There are a couple very good non-nude sites out there where the webnmaster plays by the rules, but for everyone of them there are 20 that dont. Its a good niches, but there are stil grey areas that need to be defined. I'm just glad I do not run one of those sites.

Anyways... it's a good topic that Im sure we have not heard the last of.

[xdcdave]

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
All and all this is a great topic and one that should be discussed on a regular basis. I'm glad I got a lesson on the back when I did and that we dropped the non-nude niche... even if it is legal. There are a couple very good non-nude sites out there where the webnmaster plays by the rules, but for everyone of them there are 20 that dont. Its a good niches, but there are stil grey areas that need to be defined. I'm just glad I do not run one of those sites.

Anyways... it's a good topic that Im sure we have not heard the last of.

I'm glad you don't either

More traffic for me

[hitman699]

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls


As you should! Its fucked up for sure. It is an issue that needs to be address.

As you seen from my first post in this thread. We.. at one time had a teen non-nude site. It did very well. She was 18, but looked all of 15. We made a mistake and ran in in the teen modeling areas and went after that market. Never should have done it, but we did know know at the time where and what are roll was as a webmaster. CCbill was processing that site and everything was gong along fine. With the new visa regs... sites like that were not allowed at ccbill any longer. I would say it was a good thing now that I look back on it and I am very happy they stopped processing that sort of site. At the time were were new here... (my second post ever) and we did know know it was out of line. Since the girl was 18 we did not see it being a problem. We did play her off as being younger, but the whole non-nude market does the same even if they are over 18. It's what there surfers crave. However.. 18 is 18! and we have and always produced sites that were 18 years and older and will continue to do so. We are 2257 compliant on everything we produce now and in the past.. and we can more then back it up.

I think the non-nude market has its place, but I will admit, in most cases the girls are made to look REALLY young in order to appeal to that market. You will find they are most of them advertised in the same sites and areas as many underage teen models are found. Its just wrong and i see why everyone is disgusted by it. Non-nude is an area that should not be explored by adult webmasters. It's a very grey area and one that should be kept away from. We made a mistake about 18 months ago that we will not make again.

Non-nude = bad news even if it is over 18...not as much for its content, but for giving that cp market something to look at. To many, 18 plus, non-nude sites advertise on underage teen sites. WAY TO MANY.

WOW.. what a way to backpeddle

[Wizzo]

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
legitimate teen model websites.

That's a REAL oxi-moron.

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
I happen to run a couple that are totally non-nude and are tasteful teen sites.

Yea, tasteful CP... Whatever...

[AbeFroman]

[PerfectionGirls]

OK.. lol Since this keeps coing back I guess I will Spam!! lol

Our newest site

Swedish Exchange Student!

We now have hosted galleries and hosted POTD's

Galleries and POTD's


Please notice the 2257 in everyone of our site! Been that way forever! Now



LOL


Have a good one!

[p00p]

A pedophile in denial....

[doggiestyle_ec]

bizump.

[PbG]

It amazes me no one has commented on the fact that CCBill has been processing for a quasi CP site for two years.

On the other hand I'm not surprised they took your 750 bucks or sold/leased you a server for more than $1500 bucks. Dont be surprised when they find an excuse to keep your commissions too.

Originally posted by salsbury
while it's pretty fucked up that people are ok with publishing under-18 sites, i'd have to say CCBill fucked this guy, too. i didn't know CCBill sold dedicated servers (maybe through their hosting company?) but the $750 probably shouldn't have been collected (assuming it was) if they were going to shut off the processing a few days later.

[PotentMind]