Myspace e-mailed my webhost today..

[beemk]

100 shitty webhosts

[SmokeyTheBear]

First off , myspace is now ACTIVELY selling porn. So they are a competing business as far as im concerned, so this is a pretty clear case of a competing business trying to muscle out its competition by harassing its clients.. myspace has deep pockets... myspace is hotlinking my files right now , so technically they are doing to me what they are accusing you of doing. I have sent several notices to myspace staff yet they do not act upon the complaints.. funny how they think they can specify how they choose to steal content..


Dear user, we are stealing pictures from your server, but the pictures arent good enough, please replace your pictures with better ones..


Fuck the more i think about this situation it pisses me off...

heres an even better example..

Your neighbour has a hidden cam setup to look into your bedroom and watch you.. he gets mad because you put up a lamp in the window to block the view, so he cotacts your landlord has him break into your apartment and remove the lamp that is blocking the neighbour from filming you and selling the video for profit..

HAHA perfect example..

[Doctor Dre]

You, I will come back and respond to since you are not name calling and actually want to exchange opinions.

I think we all know that once a webhost has been notified of questionable behavior, the webhost 99% of the time is going to take action. GFY is quick to notify them of content thief's, and it is expected that the site will be removed in short order even though the webhost has nothing to do with the site itself.

In your example above, as you said, there is nothing illegal going on. I would not expect a webhost to remove content in a scenario you have described. I would be VERY upset if they did.

Let me use this example though...

Sly, lets say you run the largest surfer forum in the world (that is supposed to be family friendly) and some of your surfers hotlink a flash video from me to go in their posts. I know the hotlinking is taking place, but I don't implement .htaccess or even contact you to put a stop to what your members are doing. Instead, I modify the file to pop an XXX ad on your family friendly forum.

You, of course being the largest forum in the world, don't want to take on the massive burden of relying on your software (and the extra needed hardware) to filter out all of the people attempting to do stuff like this (nor do you want to become a SPAM hotbed for porn sites), so you nip this in the bud and go to my webhost. Right?

Well there I am, left with a hosting bill because of what your surfers started. In the end, all I had to do was implement .htaccess or contact you instead of letting it blow up into something it shouldn't have after taking justice into my own hands. Right?

This is the "Mr Correct" answer... I would have htaccessed it. (I actually htaccess all my shit anyways).

I see your point, but you aren't necessarry right on a legal (business) standpoint. Wich is what people are seeing in this thread...

He didn't do anythig illegal, so his host shouldn't have done anything either.

If they want to clean up myspace, there are ways to do it... Look in my post above how we keep our site clean. Their system is way flawed, and frankly it pretty much sucks. There is a way to control the freedom on your surfers while letting them do pretty much whatever the fuck they want (eg : gfy).

The simple request they did was wrong, as well as the action taken.

and like I said, you seem to love and cherish myspace ... they probably wouldn't do shit if you asked them to stop hotlinking the pics.

[Libertine]

You, of course being the largest forum in the world, don't want to take on the massive burden of relying on your software (and the extra needed hardware) to filter out all of the people attempting to do stuff like this (nor do you want to become a SPAM hotbed for porn sites), so you nip this in the bud and go to my webhost. Right?

And here your reasoning fails.

First of all, the burden of managing (hot)links to content falls upon the shoulders of the site doing the (hot)linking.

Secondly, a host should not modify the content of its clients without legally compelling reasons to do so.

Imagine a site that has a "picture of the month", an image with the same filename that changes every month. Some are pornographic, some are non-nude. If people start hotlinking the picture, should the host of the site they belong to prohibit the client from ever using pornographic content again?

[BigBen]

What was the original flash file?

[budz]

What was the original flash file?

it was a bong flash file..

the old virtual bong hit made by snap a load

[Matt 26z]

Whether hotlinking is legal or not is actually irrelevant to this case. What matters is that sites hotlinking you have no intrinsic rights to the content of files on your server, your file structure or your file naming. Unless, of course, you entered into an agreement with the hotlinkers. But that isn't the case here.

Yes, you are 100% correct. You hotlink without permission, who knows if the file will remain the same. This is generally the number one reason not to hotlink, ever.

I don't appreciate being called an idiot in this thread. I feel like I'm maybe not explaining my view clearly enough and there is a misunderstanding.

It's not that I think sites should be able to hotlink anything they want without permission, and then hold the file owner responsible if the file changes. That would be absolutely ridiculous.

I guess my point all along has been that when you are being hotlinked, you've got some viable options. Contacting the website about it's users or taking advantage of .htacces would be two really great starting points.

Modifying the file with potentially offensive material for the purpose of commercial gain at the other website is probably not the best route to take.


SORRY if I offended anyone in this thread. These are just my worthless little opinions to kill some time on GFY. One thing I think we can all agree on though is that now we know MySpace's stance on this issue, and that it's best to not put yourself in a position with them that the original poster did.

[sandman!]

Yes, you are 100% correct. You hotlink without permission, who knows if the file will remain the same. This is generally the number one reason not to hotlink, ever.

I don't appreciate being called an idiot in this thread. I feel like I'm maybe not explaining my view clearly enough and there is a misunderstanding.

It's not that I think sites should be able to hotlink anything they want without permission, and then hold the file owner responsible if the file changes. That would be absolutely ridiculous.

I guess my point all along has been that when you are being hotlinked, you've got some viable options. Contacting the website about it's users or taking advantage of .htacces would be two really great starting points.

Modifying the file with potentially offensive material for the purpose of commercial gain at the other website is probably not the best route to take.


SORRY if I offended anyone in this thread. These are just my worthless little opinions to kill some time on GFY. One thing I think we can all agree on though is that now we know MySpace's stance on this issue, and that it's best to not put yourself in a position with them that the original poster did.

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[beemk]

I don't appreciate being called an idiot in this thread. I feel like I'm maybe not explaining my view clearly enough and there is a misunderstanding.

no, you explained it just fine.

idiot.

[budz]

lol @ idiot remarks

that really has lightened my mood

btw,
I'd like to give a special thanks to Sandman! from http://www.adultsitebrokers.com/
for some gracious generosity and just being a helluva guy.

now back to your regularly scheduled alcohol servings.

[Matt 26z]

i see you really dont get it so here i go

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no, you explained it just fine.

idiot.

Ha ha ha

Lets get one thing straight.

Anyone who agrees with his method and emulates him is leaving themselves open to the same end result.

Anyone who agrees with me will never find themselves in his position.

Who's the idiot now?

[sandman!]

Ha ha ha

Lets get one thing straight.

Anyone who agrees with his method and emulates him is leaving themselves open to the same end result.

Anyone who agrees with me will never find themselves in his position.

Who's the idiot now?

what same end result ?

i am hosting his site as of now and as long as the content of his websites are follow the tos his site will never be disabled

[aico]

Ha ha ha

Lets get one thing straight.

Anyone who agrees with his method and emulates him is leaving themselves open to the same end result.

Anyone who agrees with me will never find themselves in his position.

Who's the idiot now?

You're still the idiot. Cuz I would love to be in his position of having an ad pop up all over myspace... the problem isn't him, o ye with a dim light on, the problem was his pussy fucking hosting company stopped it without his consent.

And, fucktard, I am sure he will put the shit back as soon as he gets another hosting company who has some balls.

[sandman!]

Ha ha ha

Lets get one thing straight.

Anyone who agrees with his method and emulates him is leaving themselves open to the same end result.

Anyone who agrees with me will never find themselves in his position.

Who's the idiot now?

go fuck yourself and your fucked up perception of reality no one is with your thinking no matter what way you try to spin it in the end your just an IDIOT

[sandman!]

You're still the idiot. Cuz I would love to be in his position of having an ad pop up all over myspace... the problem isn't him, o ye with a dim light on, the problem was his pussy fucking hosting company stopped it without his consent.

And, fucktard, I am sure he will put the shit back as soon as he gets another hosting company who has some balls.

hosting has been taken care of

[Matt 26z]

Heh.

Well I'm not going to even bother arguing with the spammer and shady business types. You guys are set in your ways.

Spam here, spam there. Figure out a way to get ads on MySpace.

Anyone who disagrees with the practice must be a total idiot!

Whatever...

I think I'll stick to legit business thank you.

[aico]

hosting has been taken care of

Sweeeeeet... you should sell ad space ;) on the downlow

[Doctor Dre]

Ha ha ha

Lets get one thing straight.

Anyone who agrees with his method and emulates him is leaving themselves open to the same end result.

Anyone who agrees with me will never find themselves in his position.

Who's the idiot now?

Same end result ? There isn't a single host who is profetional who will allow this.

Or if you're talking about myspace, and porn ending up on my website, well I'm smart enough not to let this happen.

[Matt 26z]

Same end result ? There isn't a single host who is profetional who will allow this.

Wanna bet? Unless we are talking about hosts who deal with shady clients, they ALL would have bowed down to MySpace. Every single one of them.

They may come into this thread stating otherwise, but the bottom line is that when a company that was just sold for nearly $600 Million asks a small webhost to do something, they are going to do it.

Right or wrong, they are going to do it.

[aico]

Wanna bet? Unless we are talking about hosts who deal with shady clients, they ALL would have bowed down to MySpace. Every single one of them.

They may come into this thread stating otherwise, but the bottom line is that when a company that was just sold for nearly $600 Million asks a small webhost to do something, they are going to do it.

Right or wrong, they are going to do it.

It was at this very moment that i realized, you have to be fucking with us, cuz no one is really that stupid.

[Ron Bennett]

There is no need for Myspace to contact anyone ... all they need do is filter out links / embedded to known objectionable content in people's myspace profiles on the fly; I'll bet they already have this ability to some extent now.

Yes, dynamic filtering costs money, but then MySpace has plenty of that to burn LOL!

Ron

[budz]

Wanna bet? Unless we are talking about hosts who deal with shady clients, they ALL would have bowed down to MySpace. Every single one of them.

They may come into this thread stating otherwise, but the bottom line is that when a company that was just sold for nearly $600 Million asks a small webhost to do something, they are going to do it.

Right or wrong, they are going to do it.

wow, are you indirectly calling me ( the victim ) a shady client?

Damn.



let's hope comedycentral doesnt goatse that

[Matt 26z]

It was at this very moment that i realized, you have to be fucking with us, cuz no one is really that stupid.

I used to work for two fairly well known mainstream hosts. Both would pull shit off clients servers at the request of large companies even when the owners of the hosts didn't agree with their claims at all.

Once the webhost is notified of something, they are now involved. It's safer to become uninvolved again than to worry about what a virtual hosting client thinks of what you did.

Sucks for everyone involved, but that's life.

[Babagirls]

lol i told you to get rid of that host. shittiest fuckin host i've ever known & shady.

[budz]

lol i told you to get rid of that host. shittiest fuckin host i've ever known & shady.

didn't think they would've done some crazy shit like that.

but yeah, they've definately had their downs..

[phonesex]

theres plent of good host that won't do that shit.

[OneHungLo]

The webhost is Webgemshosting.

Who the fuck is Webgemhosting???

Seriously...if you're some noob starting out go with a reliable host like swiftwill.com

[budz]

lol.. if you've never heard of them
I don't know what you're talking about


LOL

[AdultInsider Cloner]

No, Tom does indeed control the internet.

LOL! Tom invented the internet.....therefore he has the right to control it!

[AdultInsider Cloner]

Hey budz, I'd try Naughty Bandwidth......I've only heard good things about them....tell tracy that Cloner sent ya and she'll hook ya up ;)

[budz]

Hey budz, I'd try Naughty Bandwidth......I've only heard good things about them....tell tracy that Cloner sent ya and she'll hook ya up ;)

Thx for the suggestion.. I'll look into it if what I'm on doesn't cut it.

Once again A big thanks to SANDMAN! from www.adultsitebrokers.com

for stepping up to host some shit that other people quiver in fear from.

If you need some traffic or banners checkout www.adultsitetraffic.com

[Zuss]

Good to know that wenbgemshosting is shit...

[budz]

Good to know that wenbgemshosting is shit...

so that's the point I was making.. I was wondering..

[budz]

little things mean a lot - boyz II men

[fuzzylogic]

Good to know that wenbgemshosting is shit...

they are shit

not total shit, but pretty fucking bad.

they are very popular with newbies breaking into the tgp world on another forum.

furthermore, they datacenter (as of last summer) is located on the west florida coast. they go down often in the summer.

[u-Bob]

The webhost is Webgemshosting.

drop them ASAP.

[fuzzylogic]

Fuck the more i think about this situation it pisses me off...

heres an even better example..

Your neighbour has a hidden cam setup to look into your bedroom and watch you.. he gets mad because you put up a lamp in the window to block the view, so he cotacts your landlord has him break into your apartment and remove the lamp that is blocking the neighbour from filming you and selling the video for profit..

HAHA perfect example..

not perfect.
in ur example the voyeur is commanding. in the real life issue of this thread the filmed person commands a different landlord to break into the filmers apt and remove the cam.

[Pornwolf]

That's some bullshit. Switch hosts asap. Fucking mainstream hosting companies are pussies. I can't stand them when it comes to certain things.

[AmateurFlix]

Wanna bet? Unless we are talking about hosts who deal with shady clients, they ALL would have bowed down to MySpace. Every single one of them.

I'm not going to call you an idiot but it's obvious that you really have no idea at all what you're talking about here.

[chadglni]

This idiot is still in here defending his retarded ass ideas?

[lelahosting]

damn. they never should have disabled that whole directory

glad you are switching/switched hosts.

[lelahosting]

That's some bullshit. Switch hosts asap. Fucking mainstream hosting companies are pussies. I can't stand them when it comes to certain things.

thats the funny thing..he used an adult host

[seeric]

I will give you a free site hosting just to piss them off

Hit me up...

hahahaha you rock, i was just thinking the same thing.

[Stallion]

Drop those host like yesterday. That is fucked up.

[budz]

wow, webgems updated their AUP and restored access to my files.. hm

[Brad Mitchell]

That is GARBAGE that your host did that, most especially without discussing it with you first.

Brad

[gregalicious]

Hey Matt, nice trick of saying "I agree with you 100%" and then promptly not agreeing at all. You're also not listening. Sometimes people who hotlink your content are kind of doing you a favor, and if you have everything watermarked it might be to your benefit. But that's the content provider's decision.

Whether he got ancillary benefit, or some money for advertising to MySpace users, that's totally his right.

Matt's right about one thing, MOST, MOST hosts would have buckled. I had it happen to me. Big host. The second a big corporation sends them a letter, trust me, a lawyer's written it and it probably has 'copyright infringement' or 'cease and desist' your host is going to shut it down. It's not fair, but it's true.

The fact it's porn and it wasn't really making you any money means that suing MySpace for trying to frustrate your business probably won't amount to much, but if you do, you're certainly in the right.

Do your best to fuck up the hosting company though :D

[pocketkangaroo]

Surprised there is no response from WebGems on the board. I know they aren't large, but they do frequent the adult boards. They are pretty prominent at some others.

They have taken a lot of shit over the past year or so I know. They have had times where everything went down for hours and had some pretty lame excuses for it. However, their customer service has always been real helpful and fast and I've had minimal problems at most with them.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Matt's right about one thing, MOST, MOST hosts would have buckled. I had it happen to me. Big host. The second a big corporation sends them a letter, trust me, a lawyer's written it and it probably has 'copyright infringement' or 'cease and desist' your host is going to shut it down. It's not fair, but it's true.

Umm i sure hope not.. I can see if it was a question about ownership , but it isnt. Its a pretty clear case of someone who STOLE something ( myspace ) then used it without permission , then asked the person he stole it from to replace the stolen goods with BETTER stolen goods.. Its ludicrous , it should be criminal. Imagine going to your local store , stealing something , then going back int he store and demanding more stolen goods because the first thing you stole wasn't good enough

The fact it's porn and it wasn't really making you any money means that suing MySpace for trying to frustrate your business probably won't amount to much, but if you do, you're certainly in the right.

Myspace is actively selling porn, they are nothing more than a porn site as far as im concerned now. basically myspace is just a new version of AFF, nothing more.. if AFF stole your shit then contacted your host and had them delete your files you would flip..

Any lawyer worth their weight would be creaming his pants about now..

[Matt 26z]

Do your best to fuck up the hosting company though :D

From the sounds of it, this is a host that likes to keep on the down low and deal with clients who are angels. The percentage of hosts who like to keep the peace is actually quite high. They just don't have the resources (or the balls) to stand up and take one for the client.

It's simple risk vs. reward.

The risk of telling MySpace to fuck off isn't worth impressing a virtual hosting client. This is a fact at the average webhost.

Having your own box would buy you more time at most hosts. How much time depends on the host.

Hey Matt, nice trick of saying "I agree with you 100%" and then promptly not agreeing at all.

No, no, no. What I was agreeing 100% with was the right of a file owner to change the file in general without permission from those hotlinking. Your file, your right to change it.

There are VERY FEW instances where I wouldn't take the side of the person being hotlinked, but I just can't give this guy any sympathy in this particular case considering everything as a whole. This goes beyond simple hotlinking and the normal recourse of action.