Unlicensed Content

[Pipecrew]

Honestly how does this shit fly? The companies this guy has on his page dont even license there content....... I recently logged into a few movie archives to be in total shock... Its really starting to get to me that I do it the legal and very costly way




http://www.gbf-archive.com/

[playa]

i was wondering that also

[jollyperv]

All of those movies are most likely some of the 2000+ they offer to deluxepass webmaters.

I'm sure they have a deal worked out with the publisher.

[Alvaro]

jordan, contact me on icq right now, please
im trying to contact you but you keeps ignoring me

[Braincash Fred]

Just contact deluxe pass and you will know if it's licensed content.
If not, they will shutdown the site.

[Morgan]

They are affiliated with deluxepass... on the join page it is deluxepass.

[Mutt]

what is deluxepass? AdultBouncer clone?

believe me, they don't have a license that covers sub-licensing those movies to their AVS webmasters.

More shenanigans, people exploiting what they think are loopholes. One of those companies even has the balls to give directions to webmasters how to make symbolic links so they can have the movies on their own site yet the movies are hosted by the AVS.

The movie companies and I guess Adult Legal or whoever licenses CD's seem to be asleep at the wheel.

[Mutt]

yup, just checked DeluxePass out. Same deal as AB.

1400 DVD's they have to offer webmasters. Uh-huh.

If I'm a movie producer doing biz with Adult Legal i'm some kind of pissed off if that's the source of these videos.

Poor shmuck probably makes 100 bucks off a DVD license sale with the broker and these movie AVS systems are just giving it away to webmasters. Doesnt mean shit that the movies are only allowed to webmasters who use their system. It's just the same as if u were licensing them out to unaffiliated webmasters.
And AVS and its member webmasters are SEPERATE entities.....
simple as that.

And i'd be pissed as well if i was spending the money 'quiet' does and others do paying 2 or 300 bucks a DVD license.

[Mutt]

Originally posted by jollyperv
All of those movies are most likely some of the 2000+ they offer to deluxepass webmaters.

I'm sure they have a deal worked out with the publisher.

why are you sure? Publisher? The publisher of those DVD's are vid companies - LEGEND, LBO, CABALLERO, SINCITY etc - those people have no idea who DeluxePass is. If they have some kind of permission to offer the vids to webmasters it came from the broker. It's possible the broker has bought Internet rights to all those DVD's but HIGHLY IMPROBABLE..............those video guys want some serious bucks for their stuff when you're talking Internet rights. Go ask around.

[E-Randy]

I don't know what the situation with deluxepass or any of that content is. I do know that it is the content providers responsiblity to protect the producers content whether it be videos, images or whatever. If they don't, it will hurt both the provider and producer in the long run. I make sure that none our content is being jacked and I always look out for the producers best interests as well as our own.

[Pipecrew]

mutt, most of these dvds arent from adultlegal.... they are rented from video stores etc , ripped and uploaded, no licenses! I buy a ton of dvds from adult legal and they dont have many of these titles

[Mutt]

i can't say what the source of these 2,000 DVD's DeluxePass.
As far as I know the only company on the Net licensing out full length DVD's is Adult Legal.

What the license says I don't know but I guarantee you the usage doesn't include this liberal use to give it out to webmasters who use a particular AVS system or furthermore to host if for free on behalf of a seperate entity.

This is like ARS or CEN or any other major webmaster program licensing 1,000 DVD's for 200 bucks a shot. And then giving the mpeg or wmv scenes out to all their affiliates to use on movie posts and free sites to drive traffic to the program's movie paysites. Or using the content for free hosted galleries on their servers.

Why do you think ARS or CEN isn't doing this? Cuz they know they can't do it without putting up a helluva lot more cash than 200 dollars per license.

As for all the independent movie archive sites with 100's and 100's of GIGS of stolen material, that's up to the freaks in the San Fernando Valley to take care of, if they don't give a shit enough to attempt to police it a little bit then it's hard to have sympathy for them.

It's bad enough there's Kazaa and WinMx and Limewire out there.

[Mutt]

i once did that Pipecrew, i took a look at AB's list and tried to see how many titles were available from Adult Legal. I found a bunch of French Canadian titles so to give them the benefit of the doubt i figured maybe they have some deal with a Canadian company for some of their DVD titles.


we all know it's bogus.

just buy an AB pass and see what's going on - AVS systems ARE RESPONSIBLE for what's inside their webmasters' sites - read the Perfect 10 judgement.


All these stupid ass LA video companies have to do is get a lawyer to fire off one simple letter ..........BUT........they don't cuz
they're all too busy getting their dicks sucked and doin lines.

[markusborger]

right on!

[Morgan]

Ok... at further investigation we have come upon a problem here. The first video on this page: http://www.gbf-archive.com/newcomers.htm. That is "Rectal Rooter". My partner and I work with them and my partner has filmed videos for that series. We showed this to the owner of "rectal rooter" and he has no idea how they are doing this. The guy is absolutely furious~!! What should we do here?

[Mutt]

dude this crap has been going on forever. But with the movie archive sites and the specialty AVS systems which highlight movie content it's getting worse by the day. It's just too easy to go rent some DVD's from your local video store and then rip them - INSTANT KICKASS CONTENT! FREE!

what your friend who owns the stuff has to do is at least talk to a lawyer who's involved in the adult Interent. Have him draw up a form cease and desist letter for situations of copyright theft.
The company hosting the stolen content should be sent a copy of the C & D letter as well as the third party processor. Along with whoever is the registrant of the domain - this address is usually bogus unfortunately.

Good hosts and processors will help the copyright owner out. Bad ones will give you the runaround cuz they want to protect their paying customers and they'll give you some bullshit answer that as soon as you prove that you are the legal owner of the content
they will take action.

[Pipecrew]

Its all stolen! 85% atleast, and it doesnt look like it will ever change. with conversion ratios like 1:80 , free hosting and more...... Its not hard when you have to go to the movie store and pay 5 dollars to get some Anabolic or Vivid Dvd, ripp it and upload it and bamn...... but like Mutt says, the people who can legally do something about it, have no idea what the hell is going on and just ignore it

[jollyperv]

http://forums.adultbouncer.com

Go here and voice your concerns. I'm sure that the people who run adultbouncer have thought about all the legal issues.

Adultbouncer is HUGE...they would've been shut down long ago if their webmaster content wasn't legitimate.

[Morgan]

This guy is definately not going to ignore this and I doubt many other people with at least half a brain would either. I think its just cuz these companies arent really web savvy so most of the time they never know about it.

Thanks for the input mutt. I will ask them what they want to do about it and I will help them get it straightened out.

We need to all form some type of coalition for stolen content where you can report the shit and have it stopped. Porn Police or something.

[Paul -C-]

I run movie sites and have movie archives, behind avs programs.

I have about $10k of movie content, everything is lisenced.

Not all movie guys steal their content!

[Paul -C-]

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
We need to all form some type of coalition for stolen content where you can report the shit and have it stopped. Porn Police or something.

They are called APIC ;)

[Paul -C-]

Double post

[Morgan]

Deluxepass will give its new sites 5 DVD's each when they signup from this list: http://www.deluxepass.com/dvds.php

are they allowed to do this? They clearly state the publisher's name on that list.

I have a feeling that gbf site is owned by them. I dont know what the relationship is...

[jollyperv]

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
Deluxepass will give its new sites 5 DVD's each when they signup from this list: http://www.deluxepass.com/dvds.php

are they allowed to do this? They clearly state the publisher's name on that list.

I have a feeling that gbf site is owned by them. I dont know what the relationship is...

Very simple, make an archive, get free content and hosting, put it behind deluxepass AVS...then they give you more free movies, I think 1 movie per 30 sales you send them.

[playa]

i figured most of it was stolen

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by Paul -C-
They are called APIC ;)

they only care about like 3 or 4 of the bigger porn production companies, Newb!

[Paul -C-]

Aren't APIC the ruling body of porn?

[Mutt]

why would i go over there? to get the company line whatever that might be? If it's legit it's legit. I know how the video companies operate - which is why i am really doubtful about the situation.

Tons of programs were licensing photo content and using them as free hosted galleries without informing the licensor of that use. It was a loophole in many providers' licenses, and in other cases, it was a prohibited use according to the license.

I really don't care about DP or AB. I sorta care about the friggin movie companies cuz i have tried to talk some of them about buying Internet rights to some stuff but they are out of their mind with what they expect $$$ wise - see, on one hand these LA video companies think everybody on the Internet is making millions of dollars therefore their content must be worth a huge amount ......then on the other hand they just sit there like complete idiots as a thousand webmasters use their content to make bank without paying a friggin dime.

You think AB is such a big company huh? How many sites in their AVS?

Let's see ........ let's say they have 1,000 DVD's they make available to their AVS webmasters........... a single owner license to use the content on that owners site(s) goes for $250 bucks at Adult Legal ....... $250,000. That in and of itself is some serious coin. Now let's say I go to Adult Legal and tell them 'I'm opening an AVS system Big Movie Pass, I want to license 1,000 DVD's, i'm going to allow the unlimited number of webmasters in my program to use these DVD's as content for their sites as well, do you have a problem with that?' The answer is going to be YES.
Maybe the provider will come back and say, for that usage we'll have to charge you 1,000 dollars per DVD title. So the 1,000 DVD titles now are going to cost $1,000,000 for me to use the way i want.

I can license nice photo images for 40-50 cents a piece. I can use them on a number of domains that I own. If i want to give those pix away as free content to webmasters promoting my website I have to ask permission, which of course will be denied, the provider might say 'if u pay 2 dollars per image you can let your webmasters use the content'. Or you can go to a custom content
company and have them shoot stuff you will own outright for a bit more cash.

I see how the DVD's are being used on these movie AVS sites.

Who do you think is bigger? AC Movie Pass or AB and DeluxePass?

Why doesn't AC have 1,500 DVD's in their members area?
Why does AC spend probably 100 thou a month to plugin companies like AEBN, Holio, FreshWebmaster etc etc.?

I ain't saying i know the whole story behind these companies.
I'm saying it looks really dubious.

And believe me, these people weren't born yesterday, they know full well that the little idiot from wherever who signs up for their AVS as a webmaster and they see him uploading 5 GIGS of Tera Patrick scenes - they know movies, they know the content biz, they know the content is stolen. And like I said there's a recent California case where the judge made the AVS responsible and she even said she could go further if she wanted - that the AVS webmaster and the AVS operator are partners - both reaping profits from the stolen property.

Jeff Miller from <a href=http://www.content-club.com>Content Club</a> knows this stuff like nobody else. Maybe he'll drop in on this thread. Not sure if he's a GFY reader or not.

[Paul -C-]

Maybe you don't know how big AB is, last I heard it had well over 20-30k members... That's a lot of income every month... They can afford to lisence a shit load of dvds.

I don't know their lisence details, but they changed their rules almost a year ago because they were getting a lot of complaints about unlisenced content.

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I haven't heard of any content problems with AB for a while now.

[Mutt]

i ain't in the AB loop either. Which is why i'm careful to say this is my opinion not a fact.

Now you're telling me that there were copyright infringement issues over there a year ago.

Of course they have 20,000 members, if i was going to join a paysite of course i'd pick one that has 1,500 DVD's.

I still say it's dubious that any AVS system has paid for the rights to give their webmasters, essentially sub-licensing, rights to a library of 1,500 DVD's.

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by Mutt
i ain't in the AB loop either. Which is why i'm careful to say this is my opinion not a fact.

Now you're telling me that there were copyright infringement issues over there a year ago.

Of course they have 20,000 members, if i was going to join a paysite of course i'd pick one that has 1,500 DVD's.

I still say it's dubious that any AVS system has paid for the rights to give their webmasters, essentially sub-licensing, rights to a library of 1,500 DVD's.

AB has licenses for 3000 DVDs that all the affiliates use. They pay a monthly licensing fee taken from the price of each membership.

[Mutt]

.............. and your source for this information?

with whom does AB have this license agreement that allows them to pay a montly royalty from members fees?

not saying you're wrong but who told you this?

how many different vid companies are represented in their DVD library. If u told me like a handful, maybe 5, then that would sound like it's possible to have that kind of deal going.

is their list of movies in or outside their webmasters area?

hey if they're for real more power to them. Like I said if i was looking to join a paysite for movies I'd be joining AB or DeluxePass.

I see that Moo-Movies site. Hell he's got some great stuff it looks like. Surfer doesnt care if he's stealing. I'd join that site.

I don't download porn from the P2P networks, i believe in the
'you don't shit where you live' philosophy. I'll download illegal music, stock photography, ......... but not porn. Porn people are my brothers and sisters.

I dont even download warez anymore. I think i got too old and started getting a conscience. I really felt like a douchebag shelling out cash for Photoshop 6. Think i have to go and buy Illustrator now. I've been designing without it for 6 months and I miss it so i will fork over the money for it. 2 years ago i woulda warez'ed it.

[m0rph3us]

> and your source for this information?
I have a close relationship with the people at AB

> with whom does AB have this license agreement that allows them to pay a montly royalty from members fees?

If I'd tell you that, then every douchebag and their mom would start an AVS system using that content. Their sources are their own business.

> not saying you're wrong but who told you this?
see above

>how many different vid companies are represented in their DVD library. If u told me like a handful, maybe 5, then that would sound like it's possible to have that kind of deal going.
there's about 2k dvds available. over a couple dozen studios.



Amazingly people of GFY still haven't learnt to keep their business secrets. You don't have to believe me if you don't want to.

[Mutt]

BWAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA................

exactly what i expected as an answer.


yeah that's some top secret content AB has, nope NEVER seen those titles before. Give that secret away and there will be 10 AB knockoffs overnight.


this 'quiet' dude has trade secrets with his content. AB doesn't.

thanks though for playing our game we have some lovely parting gifts for you

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by Mutt
BWAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA................

exactly what i expected as an answer.


yeah that's some top secret content AB has, nope NEVER seen those titles before. Give that secret away and there will be 10 AB knockoffs overnight.


this 'quiet' dude has trade secrets with his content. AB doesn't.

thanks though for playing our game we have some lovely parting gifts for you

[Morgan]

Wow! Its really funny that all the sudden, the rectal rooter videos are not working on that page:
http://www.gbf-archive.com/newcomers.htm

Hmm... Someone from there must be reading this. They are lucky but that is not the only video they are using of this guy's.

All the Monica Sweetheart shit is stolen too. Im sure 99.9% of it is.

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
Wow! Its really funny that all the sudden, the rectal rooter videos are not working on that page:
http://www.gbf-archive.com/newcomers.htm

Hmm... Someone from there must be reading this. They are lucky but that is not the only video they are using of this guy's.

All the Monica Sweetheart shit is stolen too. Im sure 99.9% of it is.

Nice! all that shit will hopefully be down soon, I've already banned all this guys galleries

[http]

bump

[TFCash]

This is why I brought this idea up a couple of days ago

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=82026

I still think its a good idea !!!!


Tim

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Paul -C-
Aren't APIC the ruling body of porn?

[SR]

I know the people from AB and a friend of me provides their content and I know that all their stuff is licensed.
A few others tho that are trying to copy AB are using illegal content but those networks won't last very long.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by hardcorehosting
This is why I brought this idea up a couple of days ago

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=82026

I still think its a good idea !!!!


Tim

What does that have to do with this thread??????

[brocklanders]

Are you serious?

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


What does that have to do with this thread??????

'Cause he's a fucking moron who doesn't know how much anything costs in life.

Server cluster to run the paysites $ 30,000
Server cluster for master affiliates to market with $ 50,000
Business setup & merchant stuff $ 20,000
Site design for 10 niche sites $ 40,000
content purchase $ 400,000
Bandwidth/Colo for first 9 months 100Mb/sec $ 60,000

OH MY GOD! Hope you are talking Canadian dollars. Just kidding, even so that's way too much!

[TFCash]

Because of the need for folks that are wanting to get into a movie site, but can't afford the high startup costs. Thus they turn to stolen content for their needs, my solution offers them the ability to get into a paysite for $12,000 and still get close to what they would $$$ wise if it was just them

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


What does that have to do with this thread??????

[TFCash]

Originally posted by brocklanders

'Cause he's a fucking moron who doesn't know how much anything costs in life.

OH MY GOD! Hope you are talking Canadian dollars. Just kidding, even so that's way too much!

Tell ya what asswipe, you build a cluster server that can handle the load of 50 webmasters that are able to do 20 to 50 signups a day, and that can hold 1500 videos online for under $50,000 and I've got 3 or 4 hundred extra MB/sec on a couple of my Gig-E connections that I will throw at it, and we will see who the moron is

People that are ignorant should keep thier mouths shut so that the rest of us don't catch on to what goofy fucks they really are.


Tim

[quiet]

i know a couple of people who've used AB - i heard there was quite a shake down on stolen content about a year ago - and that they did a huge deal to license a large amount of dvds. and also hired someone full time to do nothing but go through the sites looking for stolen content.

anyway, that's what i've heard. and yes, they are huge. i'm sure 30K+ members.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by hardcorehosting
Because of the need for folks that are wanting to get into a movie site, but can't afford the high startup costs. Thus they turn to stolen content for their needs, my solution offers them the ability to get into a paysite for $12,000 and still get close to what they would $$$ wise if it was just them

I dont think many people will pay 12k to get into a paysite. Dunno, just an assumption.

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by quiet
i know a couple of people who've used AB - i heard there was quite a shake down on stolen content about a year ago - and that they did a huge deal to license a large amount of dvds. and also hired someone full time to do nothing but go through the sites looking for stolen content.

anyway, that's what i've heard. and yes, they are huge. i'm sure 30K+ members.

Heard Exactly the same thing, they had tons of "illegal content" but just swung a deal with the companies so a percentage of each membership goes to the production companies

[TFCash]

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus


I dont think many people will pay 12k to get into a paysite. Dunno, just an assumption.

True. But where else can you get access to $400K worth of content and still make the same amount of $$$'s as from your own paysite ?? AB & Deluxepass seem to be doing pretty well, and it looks like more and more surfers are looking to the movie sites to get their rocks off, so where would you rather invest your next $$$'s into, another picture site ( which by the way $12K would barely give you enough to compete with all the other pic sites out there) or in a joint venture that has the ability to survive fast growth, and has enough content to keep them rebilling for months ???? That's the only reason that I brought it up in the first place.

Tim

[Mutt]

Pipecrew where did u hear this?


IF the video companies did reach some kind of deal with AB like that they are really stupid. How are they supposed to trust what AB tells them when it comes to their membership count?

anybody who takes that kind of deal should know they are going to get screwed unless they are given the opportunity to audit the company's books. even that doesn't help much.

Hollywood studios work this way, they give away points on what they call the 'backend' of the deal, based on the net profits of a movie, guess what - there are never any net profits cuz they fix the books to show no profit and the idiot who was promised a
% payout gets nada.

Here's what it sounds like to me. AB got called on the carpet by
some adult video companies, rather than get into some legal nightmare, both sides came to an agreement.

I'd have to take a look at their movie list to see how many different producers are in their library of 2,000 titles.

I gotta say that fucking over these companies really does pay. None of them except for VIVID and a handful of others have the money or smarts to do anything. So what a webmaster does is just rip off the content, build up a nice operation like AB or DP or even a smaller site like Moo-Movies. When the day comes that you get a letter from some of the companies you've ripped off, you listen to them yell a bit, tell them you're sorry and that you'd like to make right with them. You write them a check and do some deal with them and you go merrily on your way.

Cuz you can bet when AB started and I don't know anything about this DeluxePass outfit they didn't fork over $1 million bucks for their video library.

I don't know how these streaming companies like Dreamzotic, AEBN and Gamelink work their deals with the hundred or so different vid companies they do business with.

So far only Vivid has shown they know how to do business online, Wicked has done ok. The rest are right out to fucking lunch.

Go look at that shithole of a website Anabolic runs or Extreme Associates.

Ed Powers hooked up with Ken Lawson of Cashquest. I guarantee you that Ed now has more members than Anabolic and Extreme put together - probably 5 times as many.