Fact: NIN = EMO

[Fletch XXX]

It's emotional music made for girly teen boys.

face it, if you like NIN you like the emo.

PS: Depeche Mode is emo too.

[Libertine]

My Chemical Romance = emo.
NIN = pop.

[Intrigue]

I'm far from emo and i like NIN, but then again i don't listen to music so i can be labelled, i listen to it cuz i like what it sounds like

[Maxy]

its emo-ish. He does whine alot but it's not like what is known as mainstream emo now. Which is disgusting music.

[Project-Shadow]

My Chemical Romance = emo.
NIN = pop.

^^^ Win ^^^

[cherrylula]

[Fletch XXX]

exactly.

one needs only listen to "Something I Can Never Have" to realize, his emo roots which began in the bands BEFORE NIN. Trent has ALWAYS been this way, and his "depressed emotional music" whether it's made with synthesizer, drum machines, and heavy distorted guitars and computers or guitars and a 3 piece band - can and still is classified in the emo genre. His bands before NIN were emo and he brought it into NIN as well, just added more angst and marketed it "artsy" but the anger/depression/angst/pop element of emo has always been there.

Trent Reznor is nothing but emo.

[Screaming]

What is emo?

[Fletch XXX]

What is emo?

I wont go into the purist theory of it, although I am a huge Ian MacKaye and Guy Picciotto fan, including owning the similar guitars as them due to their influence on me. But it's basically a music genre of rock. Indie rock, and emotional music is the simplest way to say it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo

Now that "emo" has reached it's pop peak - the bands who were making this music but never classified as this now fall under the umbrella of the genre.

[BlackCrayon]

pretty much all music is based on some type of emotion/s.

[MetaMan]

hah not my kind of music, but i got a 6'5 270 pound skinhead buddy who just went to NIN concert yesterday that would tell you otherwise.



but you never know maybe deep down he is a teddy bear. /sarcasm

[websiex]

Watch your back around over emotional people.

[Martin]

Yeah I went to the concert that NIN was Headlining in Toronto a Week ago. Watched my Favorit Band play Queens Of The Stone Age and left when NIN came on.. LOL..

Fletch do you dig QOTSA?

[RawAlex]

Music doesn't need labels. Saying NIN is EMO music is like saying "Led Zepplin fans are all druggies" or "Pink Floyd is for people who take acid". If you want to look at things in a very two dimensional way, and attempt to put a little sticky label on things, then, yeah, well... whatever.

Question: Is Prince funk, old school, electronic, hard, rap, dance, pop,metal, or soul?

Question: Is No Doubt / GS rock, alternative, funk, dance, rap, AOR, or pop?

Sticky labels don't stick well to most moving object.

Alex

[Fletch XXX]

Music doesn't need labels. Saying NIN is EMO music is like saying "Led Zepplin fans are all druggies"

no but people who use logic like the above must be on some good ones. ;)

your logic is stunning. country music is rap now to you

music is nothing but labels.

[Libertine]

Question: Is No Doubt / GS rock, alternative, funk, dance, rap, AOR, or pop?

Answer: Who cares? They suck.

[com]

I like NIN, I dislike Emo.

[Deepai]

Fletch knows way too much about Emo.

[SykkBoy]

Fletch = emo

;-)

[The Truth Hurts]

What is emo?

Just another in a long string of labels applied to any band/music that achieves any sort of popular success by whiny bitches like Fletch.

If you take any band Fletch currently likes (you can bet theres some unintelligible screaming involved) and made them the most popular band out there, Fletch would say he doesn't like them anymore because they sold out, and would apply a derogatory label to them

Fact.

[smack]

that's a nice jacket SilverTab has.

[nofx]

that's a nice jacket SilverTab has.

i'm sure that little faggles does have that jacket

[Rui]

Trent = genious...

[crockett]

I was listening to NIN before there was a EMO..

[Dirty F]

I'm becoming less defined, as days go by
Fading away, well you might say I'm losing focus
Kind of drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself
Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself
Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself
Sometimes, I can see right through myself

Less concerned, about fitting into the world
Your world that is, cause it doesn't really matter anymore
(No, it doesn't really matter anymore)
No, it doesn't really matter anymore
None of this sh... really matters anymore

Yes, I am alone, but then again I always was
As far back as I can tell, I think maybe it's because
Because you were never really real to begin with
I just made you up to hurt myself

I just made you up to hurt myself
Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself
I just made you up to hurt myself
Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself
And it worked

There is no you, there is only me
There is no you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me

Well, the tiniest little dot caught my eye
And it turned out to be a scab
And I had this funny feeling
Like I just knew it's something bad

I just couldn't leave it alone
Picking at that scab
It was a doorway trying to seal itself shut
But I climbed through

Now I'm somewhere I am not supposed to be
And I can see things I know I really shouldn't see
And now I know why now, now I know why
Things aren't as pretty on the inside

There is no you, there is only me
There is no you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me

[Pornwolf]

Are emo guys gay?

I only ask this because they are always portrayed as fags.

I really don't know anything about the whole Emo culture which is why I'm asking.

[nofx]

i have to admit that the song "Every Day Is Exactly The Same" from with teeth owns me

[potter]

Well no matter what stupid label you want to give them. You should at least choose one which was about during their time. "emo" didn't even exsist back when NIN started out.


Oh, and Trent is a musical genius who is widely credited to making a completely new form of music and genre in the industry (I think it was with Halo 14 ). Say what you will, but you can never take that away from NIN.

[nofx]

Are emo guys gay?

I only ask this because they are always portrayed as fags.

I really don't know anything about the whole Emo culture which is why I'm asking.

most emo kids are not "gay" just very high maintenance just like a woman; in touch with their femine side; got a little bit of sugar in their tank.

[quiet]

i love depeche mode. i am emo.

[Pornwolf]

i love depeche mode. i am emo.

No, what you are is old. Heh heh, don't worry though, I was there when Depeche Mode came out too.

[Marcus Aurelius]

but you'd still go see them if you had a free pass...right?

[detoxed]

No, what you are is old. Heh heh, don't worry though, I was there when Depeche Mode came out too.

I thought he was young?

[Maxy]

I'm becoming less defined, as days go by
Fading away, well you might say I'm losing focus
Kind of drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself
Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself
Sometimes, I think I can see right through myself
Sometimes, I can see right through myself

Less concerned, about fitting into the world
Your world that is, cause it doesn't really matter anymore
(No, it doesn't really matter anymore)
No, it doesn't really matter anymore
None of this sh... really matters anymore

Yes, I am alone, but then again I always was
As far back as I can tell, I think maybe it's because
Because you were never really real to begin with
I just made you up to hurt myself

I just made you up to hurt myself
Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself
I just made you up to hurt myself
Yeah, and I just made you up to hurt myself
And it worked

There is no you, there is only me
There is no you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me

Well, the tiniest little dot caught my eye
And it turned out to be a scab
And I had this funny feeling
Like I just knew it's something bad

I just couldn't leave it alone
Picking at that scab
It was a doorway trying to seal itself shut
But I climbed through

Now I'm somewhere I am not supposed to be
And I can see things I know I really shouldn't see
And now I know why now, now I know why
Things aren't as pretty on the inside

There is no you, there is only me
There is no you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me
There is no fucking you, there is only me

pretty bad lyrics imo

[Libertine]

I was listening to NIN before there was a EMO..

You were listening to NIN before NIN even existed? That's a pretty impressive feat

Emo started in the mid 80's, probably around '85. NIN started in '88.

[Hollywood Horwitz]

It's emotional music made for girly teen boys.

face it, if you like NIN you like the emo.

PS: Depeche Mode is emo too.

you have no clue on genre's of music,you obviously dont know where the term emo started or what band it referred to. ALL music is emotional if ya wanna get technical,but it was Rites of Spring in the 80's that started the genre people refer to as emo. NIN is lumped into industrial and more recently has become more mainstream electronic pop etc...

[rickholio]

Emo or no, anyone who makes a song that Johnny Cash covered has got the skills.

I'd also say that songs with the lyrical phrases like "I want to feel you from the inside" and "fist fuck" in situationally appropriate ways can be forgiven any associated angst.

[NBDesign]

pretty much all music is based on some type of emotion/s.

yeah, I agree with that. When I am pissed, I will toss in a Tool cd. It helps. LOL So is Tool emo?

[Drake]

Emo or no, anyone who makes a song that Johnny Cash covered has got the skills.

I'd also say that songs with the lyrical phrases like "I want to feel you from the inside" and "fist fuck" in situationally appropriate ways can be forgiven any associated angst.

Agreed. I've always been a fan of NIN.

I see Trent as a cool producer that took synthesizer based music in another direction (dark). You had Kraftwerk (a German group) in the 70's that pioneered synthezer music, which inspired Afrika Bambataa to use synthz to lay down the foundation for hip-hop in the late 70's early 80's, then you had Michael Jackson use it to make pop music (Thriller), and finally Trent Reznor to make it cool for the "life suck I want to kill myself, whatever" generation of the 90's.

[crockett]

You were listening to NIN before NIN even existed? That's a pretty impressive feat

Emo started in the mid 80's, probably around '85. NIN started in '88.

I think those were just goth wannabees

[fuzzylogic]

i have to admit that the song "Every Day Is Exactly The Same" from with teeth owns me

it's one of the top songs he has written in his career

kudos to u!

[AmeliaG]

Nah, NIN fans tend to have better hair.

[Libertine]

Agreed. I've always been a fan of NIN.

I see Trent as a cool producer that took synthesizer based music in another direction (dark). You had Kraftwerk (a German group) in the 70's that pioneered synthezer music, which inspired Afrika Bambataa to use synthz to lay down the foundation for hip-hop in the late 70's early 80's, then you had Michael Jackson use it to make pop music (Thriller), and finally Trent Reznor to make it cool for the "life suck I want to kill myself, whatever" generation of the 90's.

You are absolutely right. Industrial wasn't dark at all before NIN.

Whitehouse - Right to Kill (1983)

That's yours
That body's yours
Beat it
Fuck it
Dominate, mutilate, strangulate
Rape and bugger it
Kill it
Eat it
It's your right to kill
It's your nature
The ultimate pleasure
Kill! kill! kill!
It's your fucking right to kill
It's your fucking nature
Kill! Kill! Kill!
It's my right to kill!

[Libertine]

I think those were just goth wannabees

Huh? You think Fugazi sounds like Bauhaus?

[JD]

their latest album is pretty emo but thier previous stuff is far from "emo"

[Drake]

You are absolutely right. Industrial wasn't dark at all before NIN.

Whitehouse - Right to Kill (1983)

That's yours
That body's yours
Beat it
Fuck it
Dominate, mutilate, strangulate
Rape and bugger it
Kill it
Eat it
It's your right to kill
It's your nature
The ultimate pleasure
Kill! kill! kill!
It's your fucking right to kill
It's your fucking nature
Kill! Kill! Kill!
It's my right to kill!

hehe fine, I'm not familiar with Whitehouse. Let's just say Trent took it mainstream or is one of the more recognizable faces of industrial.

[rickholio]

Agreed. I've always been a fan of NIN.

I see Trent as a cool producer that took synthesizer based music in another direction (dark). You had Kraftwerk (a German group) in the 70's that pioneered synthezer music, which inspired Afrika Bambataa to use synthz to lay down the foundation for hip-hop in the late 70's early 80's, then you had Michael Jackson use it to make pop music (Thriller), and finally Trent Reznor to make it cool for the "life suck I want to kill myself, whatever" generation of the 90's.

Skinny Puppy was a major direct influence on Reznor himself. Listen to some early 80s S.P. and it's virtually indistinguishable from NIN's early work... S.P. in turn were also influenced by throbbing gristle, kraftwerk and such, so it all comes back to the source in the end.

[badmunchkin]

NIN is pop industrial - he brought electronic industrial music to the mainstream. yea, he whines a lot - but about the loss of god, the meaning or meaningless of life and the inability to love. Emo kids sings somewhat depressing, cheesy lyrics about the girl who doesn't like them and the music is usually upbeat and happy sounding. 2 completely different things. Nice easy generalization for the GFY audience though.

[NBDesign]

Huh? You think Fugazi sounds like Bauhaus?

Wow, there's a name you don't see much anymore, I love bauhaus.

Anyone listen to Coil?

[feN]

hah not my kind of music, but i got a 6'5 270 pound skinhead buddy who just went to NIN concert yesterday that would tell you otherwise.



but you never know maybe deep down he is a teddy bear. /sarcasm

that new sig is the shit