Designers - Tips to avoid getting scammed

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  • darnit
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2001
    • 2439

    #1

    Designers - Tips to avoid getting scammed

    Designers.

    Here is some advice for the aspiring designers looking for work on the boards. I have seen too many designers get screwed, and I have been on the raw end of some deals back when i used to freelance. Hopefully this will be of help to some. If not feel free to call me an idiot and move on


    1. ALWAYS get half up front

    2. ALWAYS send watermarked comps for approval, dont upload any completed work to their server until the design is signed off on and payment is remitted.

    3. ALWAYS get a signed contract and specify the number or review/revision rounds client is allowed and specify a per hour rate for additional changes beyond the agreed apon number. Have a lawyer help you draft a template to use - simply modifiy the terms/price points for each new client.

    4. ALWAYS ask around about potential clients

    5. NEVER work for free to "see what you can do". That is what your portfolio is for.

    6. NEVER work for informal promises of equity. Real equity is ink on the dotted line

    7. If a client keeps making small changes or cant make up his or her mind or keeps increasing the scope of the projet, DO inforce #3 because this is always the case Small changes add up to alot over time and your time is your product as a designer.

    DISCLAIMER - The rules are harsh and dont apply to trused clients and/or companies - nor for simple one offs like banners. But for those offers on the board that we see time and time again that end up badly its a good way to avoid getting scammed out of your time and energy.

    I dont claim to know it all but i have been around the design block many times and these simple steps can save a ton of time and decrease disputes between yourself and your clients as well as add to a happier working relationship for all involved.



    EDIT - anyone else have tips that have helped them in the past feel free to contribute.
    Last edited by darnit; 05-15-2005, 07:44 PM.
  • jack.nasty
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2005
    • 1361

    #2
    Amazing thread

    I was just robbed by this guy:
    http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=467860

    I agree with everything. Sometimes this stuff make biz harder to happen, but prevent shit like B-Easy did to me.

    Bump for your thread man!
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    • Tango
      Let's Tango!
      • Apr 2005
      • 1570

      #3
      agreed 110% - we've always followed those steps and always will
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      • beckie
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2004
        • 405

        #4
        Great advice!

        Make sure that your contract is in a format that the client cannot edit. When I first started my biz 3 years ago, I had a client do this and I didn't even realize it. They tried to get me to work on more stuff without compensation and I withheld giving them their files. After that, I put a protection on all my contracts and proposals.

        Sun Designs xxx
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        • Alien Queue
          So Fucking Banned
          • May 2005
          • 73

          #5
          Always spellcheck!

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          • jack.nasty
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2005
            • 1361

            #6
            Model of contract

            Someone could give me a good model?
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            • Spunky
              I need a beer
              • Jun 2002
              • 133986

              #7
              Most use that rule of thumb.getting burned once smartens them up pretty quick

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              • mudsaliva
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2005
                • 568

                #8
                a must read for both designers and clients
                Prying open my third eye

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                • micke
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 497

                  #9
                  Originally posted by spunky
                  Most use that rule of thumb.getting burned once smartens them up pretty quick
                  That is probably true!...
                  But how smart does one get if he has been burned 3 times in 26 days!

                  "darnit" - Great advices!!

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                  • V_RocKs
                    Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 32449

                    #10
                    That ignorant fuck who didn't pay you should be banned... fuck I hate people who don't hold their end of the bargain...

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