interactive banners

[suzysmut]

what do you guys know about the iteractive banner an how it converts? I just built one for youngholes to promote purefuck, this is sorta a first.. I'm nervous...
http://www.youngholes.com/images/pureswf.swf

[Amputate Your Head]

interesting....

[mrthumbs]

As long as the thing loads within the 28 seconds an
average surfer stays on a site ibanners are a cool thing.

[suzysmut]

I've noticed a large decrease in ibanners... in fact the only interactivity I see on the net now is by experimental flash designers... and of course casino crapo...

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by suzysmut
I've noticed a large decrease in ibanners... in fact the only interactivity I see on the net now is by experimental flash designers... and of course casino crapo...

probly cuz that experimental Flash stuff is so fucking cryptic most of the time, it's near impossible to even navigate and people get frustrated with that bullshit and move on to something they can understand. I used to think those sites were tha fuggin' bomb.... but now they're so fucked up and weird they just piss me off so I don't bother even looking them anymore.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

probly cuz that experimental Flash stuff is so fucking cryptic most of the time, it's near impossible to even navigate and people get frustrated with that bullshit and move on to something they can understand. I used to think those sites were tha fuggin' bomb.... but now they're so fucked up and weird they just piss me off so I don't bother even looking them anymore.

I agree. People are so used to simple 'Click Here Now' commands that getting them to navigate around to make them effective is near impossible.

[suzysmut]

the full flash sites are just stupidly large.. it's all about adding asp or php or just throwing it into tables. people are just catching this now.. look at all the flash banners that have taken over in the last year.

[Amputate Your Head]

the problem with experimental Flash sites/designers is that they have forgotten that the web is essentially an electronic version of a magazine. (yeah yeah, I fuckin' know there's more to it than that...... ) If you try to look at it from that perspective, realize that people don't wanna be confused and hafta fuckin wait for five minutes while you try and dazzle them with some stupid spinning bullshit. They want wwhat they're looking for and they wanna be able to find it easily.

Every "High End" Flash site I've been to lately is so goddamned jacked straight outta the developers darkest wet dreams that I usually can't even FIND the menus......

and that will never take the lead as being "the norm".

Sure, some of those sites are pretty phat graphically..... but if I can't even find the fuckin' menu after 5 minutes.... guess what.... I'm not coming back.

[Amputate Your Head]

btw, I'm not screaming at you suzy.... just ranting in general.....

[suzysmut]

no I very much agree with you.. thats all we did in college was build for interactivity and the sites were always tweeked..and huge.. but now there are minimal flash sites everywhere that are pretty dope.. http://www.navajowhite.com/index.html this is one of my favorates..

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by suzysmut
no I very much agree with you.. thats all we did in college was build for interactivity and the sites were always tweeked..and huge.. but now there are minimal flash sites everywhere that are pretty dope.. http://www.navajowhite.com/index.html this is one of my favorates..

Oh shit! You gotta look at that site.

[Seb From Holland]

You did a lousy job on photoshopping the female, my friend.

Seb.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Pornwolf


Oh shit! You gotta look at that site.

yep.... nice....


but with the seizure level flashing stuff and all the cryptic navigation..... it lost my interest after 45 seconds. I can't find anything that expalains to me what the hell the site IS.... I still have no idea... yes, Flash is cool and great.... but I shouldn't hafta dig and dig and keep digging trying to figure out what I'm looking at. Most people don't have that kinda patience.....

in my opinion, it's over the top.

[Amputate Your Head]

it also takes far too long to load the pages it's popping in new windows (which I also don;t like too much)

[Pornwolf]

I don't really know what the hell the site's for either. The inclusion of the mini movies is what's doin it for me. One day when everyone is broadband equipped that type of site may make sense. It's great for business design targeting corporate LANs.

[Amputate Your Head]

here's what I'm talkin' about.....

freaky shit here: http://elinasisla.com/

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
here's what I'm talkin' about.....

freaky shit here: http://elinasisla.com/

Very nice! But what the hell is it?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Pornwolf


Very nice! But what the hell is it?

beats the hell outta me man.... I can't find a menu anywhere....

[Pornwolf]

LOL! I thought it was just me!

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
here's what I'm talkin' about.....

freaky shit here: http://elinasisla.com/

I'm not going to wait for that to load... and I'm on cable... I think just about any porn site will go busted if it's done in flash. The whole world is not even close to being on broadband... not even close. you have a lot of people that are happy if they can get connected at 28.8 K.

[Pornwolf]

You got a point Jimmy. The only thing about broadband is the number of internet connected homes with broadband is around 20% in the states. I am willing to bet that those 20% make up 70% of all net sales over $19.95.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by suzysmut
what do you guys know about the iteractive banner an how it converts? I just built one for youngholes to promote purefuck, this is sorta a first.. I'm nervous...
http://www.youngholes.com/images/pureswf.swf

first off.. the girl needs to be cut out properly.. #1 numero uno.
try using paths if you aren't having any luck with the eraser.

secondly.. it's not coherent in it's interactivity users DON'T like to be confused - they WILL NOT CLICK... sure i know you're thinking "but the hotspots are over her tits and her panties - it doesn't get much clearer than that!".. but to the fresh user running a mouse over it.. it feels random because there isn't a good indication of what is triggering it.. also you have faint white text under the popup text that doesn't really look like it was meant to be there.

most of it isn't clickable..
and here is a common mistake : the text at the bottom.. you haven't given it a hit area.. you've made it a button but just left the text as the hit area .. meaning you have to mouseover the actual parts of the text to click it.. you should have a big fat rectangle in the hit area or something... that was the first thing i'd tell me students about buttons with text in them.. I think everyone has done it when they first started out

also.. don't assume the surfer is going to "interact" with your ad.. you've got to give him a reason to.. TELL THEM TO MOUSEVER TO SEE HER TITS.. give them a bit of the text without waiting for them to interact with it.. or even draw their eye to it in the first place..


and... if you're going to show people your work, ALWAYS embed it in html.. trust me on this.. even if a obsessive compulsive order of photoshop monks living in a secret hilltop castle cut out that girl, it isn't going to look good when someone clicks on the link and it is resized to 100% of the screen. flaws are magnified.. make sure people see your work at the correct size.. never give the client an opportunity to see you work in a bad light.

anyways just a few things.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by jimmyf
I'm not going to wait for that to load... and I'm on cable... I think just about any porn site will go busted if it's done in flash. The whole world is not even close to being on broadband... not even close. you have a lot of people that are happy if they can get connected at 28.8 K.

mate.. i have to say this in every flash thread - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FLASH AND PORN... THERE IS A *LOT* WRONG WITH THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE BIG-ASS FLASH SITES

no porn sites will NOT go bust if they use flash.. ANY type of site, html, dhtml, flash, java.. would go bust if you had to wait for HALF A MB to load like that site, BEFORE they got to see anything.
it's not the tool it's the builder..
>you don't blame a shitty piece of plumbing on a hammer<

[chodadog]

Bhuto is on the money on this one. I've seen full flash splash pages that are between 70 and 100kb, and are far better in terms of eye candy and design than many of the paysites i've seen (normally heaps bigger)

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by bhutocracy

it's not the tool it's the builder..
>you don't blame a shitty piece of plumbing on a hammer<

no argument there.... problem is 99.9% of the Flash builders are idiots. (as is evident in the thorough infestation of ridiculous Flash sites like the one in my example)

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

no argument there.... problem is 99.9% of the Flash builders are idiots. (as is evident in the thorough infestation of ridiculous Flash sites like the one in my example)

heheh i'll agree there.. except to say that alot of the sites that we complain about aren't neccessarily bad in terms of their target market and what they set out to achieve.. these 500k wank sites are just that... wank sites to show off to their designer buddies.. that may excuse some of them.. but when that mentality creeps over into the mainstream stuff they do.. thats when it hurts both their clients.. and flash's reputation as a whole.

still.. for porn im still much more of a fan of half flash half html sites than full flash... I just wish people could understand the FLASH ISN'T BIG.. it was MADE TO BE A SMALL FILESIZE FORMAT.. it's just that people get carried away.. and because it can be small they figure they'll shove more stuff into it.

I believe flash and porn can go hand in hand together as long as the strengths of flash are used.. which means low file size high quality eye catching ads/paysite "pieces"..

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by chodadog
Bhuto is on the money on this one. I've seen full flash splash pages that are between 70 and 100kb, and are far better in terms of eye candy and design than many of the paysites i've seen (normally heaps bigger)

[gornyhuy]

This thread was originally asking about interactive banners, not full flash sites....

Since you guys seem to know what you're talking about on this subject, can you take a look at this and tell me what you think?

http://www.uberads.com/gallery.html

These things are tiny, don't need flash, don't require any clicks to interact, and they convert like crazy.

Suzy, email me if you want to talk!!! We can hook you up.

[bhutocracy]

</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><param name=movie value="http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/ad3.swf">
<param name=quality value=high>
<embed src="http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/ad3.swf" quality=high type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="171" height="496">
</embed></object></body></html>

thought i'd have a little go at it...
or if the way flash is embedded in the board doesn't work and only gives a white box:
http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/

[FATPad]

Some of those flash sites really confuse me.

[flashfreak]

interactive ads rocks. I'm planning to make a 120x60 minesweeper and a 120x60 slot machine to promote my games.
how about this banner: http://www.adultwebmasterrevenue.com ,
It has only 32K.(It's not interractive). Admit it, Flash banners are more eyecatching than any .gif ones, and if you're a good flasher you can optimize them, so the size problem will dissapear.

[shunga]

Interactive ads are "three dimensional" in the sense they require the same artistic and sales skills as conventional banners, but they also require the skill to create an interface. That might seem simple, but most people don't seem to have the ability to step back and look at something from the perspective of a user.

The buttons on this board that have impressed me are those that have even limited interactivity. Designers on this board who are thinking to the future might want to start putting their own interactive buttons in their sigs now.

[hyper]

i like this..
just wait and watch the whole thing

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frank.borsato/lucy.htm

[hyper]

same with this
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frank.borsato/xrated_2.htm

[shunga]

I don't see the point with those. It's totally alien to the whole Internet concept - interactivity.

[chodadog]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><param name=movie value="http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/ad3.swf">
<param name=quality value=high>
<embed src="http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/ad3.swf" quality=high type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="171" height="496">
</embed></object></body></html>

thought i'd have a little go at it...
or if the way flash is embedded in the board doesn't work and only gives a white box:
http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/

Nice work bhuto! That's exactly what i'm talking about. That's a 29kb flash banner. And the thing is 171 x 496 pixels.

That kicks the ASS off of any damn animated gif you'll find, and it's a hell of a lot smaller. Top work bro

[cat]

just look at this:

http://www.summertimemagazine.nl

the menu is ok....
look at the banner in the leftcorner

i think it is VERY easy to translate this kind of sites into pornsites!!

watch out boys, the future is very NEAR!!

[Nina]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><param name=movie value="http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/ad3.swf">
<param name=quality value=high>
<embed src="http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/ad3.swf" quality=high type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="171" height="496">
</embed></object></body></html>

thought i'd have a little go at it...
or if the way flash is embedded in the board doesn't work and only gives a white box:
http://www.subnovastudios.com/interactivead/

I really like that. I want one.

[planetsexkim]

I rememebr around 1 year ago bhutocracy and I had this idea actually (I know it works) to make dynamic banners which we can spit out depending on a search request or porn user profile you collect or in a target email with this banners you can target him more specific for what he is looking for .


meaning More cash in the end



In the end I did it for a non porn site and there run it with a greater success then their normal banners . best thing was you could have almost any format of banner gif,swf jpg and even qt


Planetkim

[bhutocracy]

thanks choda and nina