Clean HTML:

[Pathfinder]

I have been using Frontpage every since I began making web pages.

I have a site with more than 21,000 web pages. I do not want to manually cleanup each one of the pages.

Does anyone know of a software program that will cleanup and correct html pages site wide, as I do not want to deal with correcting each individual page manually.

[hahmike]

you should:

try dreamweaver:

[drumsicle]

Originally posted by Pathfinder

I have a site with more than 21,000 web pages

Holy shit.

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by hahmike
you should:

try dreamweaver:

I have Dreamweaver MX, but the Cleanup Frontpage HTML module, does not work correctly. It points out the errors, but I would have to manually correct each of more than 21,000 pages.

[Pathfinder]

Bump.

[hahmike]

you shouldn't have:
used frontpage:
it is the tool:
of the devil:



but i guess:
you realise that now:

[MikeEP]

You can do that will almost any standard editor. For good one, try editplus...it's very small, but powerful.

For all around page building and straight coding, it's all about Homesite..

[B40]

You can find somebody who'll do it for you for cheap. A student or something.

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by MikeEP
You can do that will almost any standard editor. For good one, try editplus...it's very small, but powerful.

For all around page building and straight coding, it's all about Homesite..

EditPlus does not appear to have a site wide HTML cleanup/correction capability.

I will check to see of Homesite does.

[Tex Willer]

http://mpp.at/
try this one, i didn't test it but a friend says it's good

[Goonx]

Originally posted by hahmike
you shouldn't have:
used frontpage:
it is the tool:
of the devil:



but i guess:
you realise that now:

Agreed! You should have started out with dreamweaver. You should know better than to trust Micro***t.

[FlyingIguana]

21000 pages?

took u that long to figure out front page sucked?

[mike503]

no site should have 21k static pages. you need to discover the ways of dynamic apps

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
21000 pages?

took u that long to figure out front page sucked?

Well that is just on one site. I shut down between 50-75 sites.

[Rip]

You should get search and replace

it's very good at replacing stuff

I believe there are also server based programs, but i've never tried those

I've also never used anything else but frontpage to create small websites, and never had any problems. As long as you keep it simple. Simple html = more $$

More problems with java and counterscripts etc, than frontpage

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by Tex Willer
http://mpp.at/
try this one, i didn't test it but a friend says it's good

I am checking this program out as I am typing this: Pretty HTML

[toddler]

pathfinder, ouch


you CAN do some fun scripting to some of this, but the question is, do you really need to have 21k pages live?

What kind of cleanup do you have in mind? If its just stripping out the frontpage crap, you can do it in perl, though the regexes would be a couple pages long. still, probably the best way to go, since you can just fire it off and let it run until its done.

shoot me mail if you want to try the perl angle, though it'd take a bit of time. todd at zoomer dot net


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[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by Rip
You should get search and replace

it's very good at replacing stuff

I believe there are also server based programs, but i've never tried those

I've also never used anything else but frontpage to create small websites, and never had any problems. As long as you keep it simple. Simple html = more $$

More problems with java and counterscripts etc, than frontpage

I have an excellent search and replace program, but it will not automatically cleanup and write HTML.

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by mike503
no site should have 21k static pages. you need to discover the ways of dynamic apps

Would you provide some more info or a link?

[toddler]

Originally posted by Pathfinder


Would you provide some more info or a link?

www.php.net

[DrGuile]

agreed, something is definitely not right if you have 21000 pages.

www.privatefeeds.com is about 10 pages, with cc processing included...

long live PHP!

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by DrGuile
agreed, something is definitely not right if you have 21000 pages.

www.privatefeeds.com is about 10 pages, with cc processing included...

long live PHP!

It is a research site, so is it still not right to have more than 21000 pages?

It is a work in progress so the number of pages will ultimately double that number.

[toddler]

Originally posted by Pathfinder


It is a research site, so is it still not right to have more than 21000 pages?

It is a work in progress so the number of pages will ultimately double that number.

the only thing wrong with it is managing it.

point being, if you use php+mysql+apache then the management of said site becomes much easier. plus, well, frontpage is the devil

[mike503]

Originally posted by Pathfinder


It is a research site, so is it still not right to have more than 21000 pages?

It is a work in progress so the number of pages will ultimately double that number.

if you have 21k static pages than the site is inefficient. for the most part i'm sure you could narrow it down to a few php scripts and possibly some templates.

[jimmy3way]

I'll clean it up for the low, low price of $2 per page.

[Mikeee]

It can be done with front page if your using extensions. You have a folder called _private and one called _borders. Either one has html files that are includes on every page.

Or better yet try dreamweaver.

[Cogitator]

Check out http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ . I've used the Tidy program before to clean up FrontPage fuckups. I think it's still free.

[fiveyes]

Cogitator's advice re: TidyHTML is good, though you'll have to do a scripting frontend to batch process files in bulk.

Another option that may work is Web Site Maestro ($22) or, it's smaller cousin, HTML-Optimizer ($12) available from http://www.tonbrand.nl/. Both are capable of directory-wide processing and seem to include the cleaning options that handle most of FrontPage's flotsam.

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by fiveyes
Cogitator's advice re: TidyHTML is good, though you'll have to do a scripting frontend to batch process files in bulk.

Another option that may work is Web Site Maestro ($22) or, it's smaller cousin, HTML-Optimizer ($12) available from http://www.tonbrand.nl/. Both are capable of directory-wide processing and seem to include the cleaning options that handle most of FrontPage's flotsam.

Checking into them now. Pretty HTML does not do the job. It just formats HTML and rewrites it in the chosen format. It does not correct HTML.

[foe]

You should try to get someone to recode the site, not that hard to do, basically a script that will go through the 21k files take out the content and store them all, after that the site will use templates so you need to edit just one page not 21k files

[mike503]

that's what i've been hinting at the whole time...

[Pathfinder]

To update:

I used Dreamweaver to clean up all MS Word documents, and to correct dangling Tags. I used HTML Shrinker Pro to optimize the pages, and I set it to W3C HTML 4-Compliant.

What I have ended up with is something less than perfect W3C HTML 4-Compliant pages, and the optimization knocked off 17 MEGS of storage over all, and of course slighty increased the load speed of each page.

For those of you that knock Frontpage: Frontpage was the first editor I used when I first started making web pages. It has an easy learning curve, writes pages that work, and you can do alot with it if you make a few manual additions to your HTML.

I am switching over to Dreamweaver now but, in my opinion there is not that much wrong with Frontpage.

As to using dynamic pages, php, etc., I am to old to spend the time on the learning curve, so I will continue to make static pages.

Thanks to everyone for the advice.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by Pathfinder


As to using dynamic pages, php, etc., I am to old to spend the time on the learning curve, so I will continue to make static pages.

Fuck the learning curve then and hire someone to write you a script with a nice admin. You can do way more with dynamic sites than you can with static. You should seriously consider coming over to the dark side.

[Pathfinder]

FYI Cyberspace HQ is working on making CSE HTML Validator have an auto-correction feature for HTML. Right now it just identifies improper HTML. They do not have a time frame for this, it is just a project in the works.

[SetTheWorldonFire]

Search and replace

[DarkJedi]

bah, i have used FronPage from the start and still make good money

its not about how the site looks like.
for example take http://sleazydream.com - ugly as shit, but the guy claims he makes bank

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by DarkJedi
bah, i have used FronPage from the start and still make good money

its not about how the site looks like.
for example take http://sleazydream.com - ugly as shit, but the guy claims he makes bank

There are several Webmasters that have been in the business for years, that believe a less professional looking site, does better than a well designed, slick looking site.

[SetTheWorldonFire]

Originally posted by Pathfinder


There are several Webmasters that have been in the business for years, that believe a less professional looking site, does better than a well designed, slick looking site.

That's only because you spend less time making the bitch look good and more time pimpin' it.

[Cogitator]

When you have that many pages, you really should consider using scripting to generate them dynamically.

[foe]

Originally posted by mike503
that's what i've been hinting at the whole time...

frontpage for more than 21k pages, stop hinting to the dude, tell him directly and save him more trouble

[foe]

btw if you chose to go scripting you would have saved a LOT of money from the begining ;)

[Pathfinder]

Will someone give me a step by step critique as to why it would be to my benefit to switch to dynamic pages after I already have over 21 thousand static pages online?

My primary question is how much time would I have to spend redoing more than 21 thousand pages?

I would still appreciate a step by step critique.

[kosmic]

i think arachonophilia has a nice little clean feature. and it is free.

[Pathfinder]

Bump.

[GFED]

I think this is what you're looking for... http://addweb.com/products/htmlvalidator/home.shtm

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by GFED
I think this is what you're looking for... http://addweb.com/products/htmlvalidator/home.shtm

Thanks but I have checked that program out. It locates errors, but does not have an auto-correct feature, and I don't have the time, nor the inclination, to manually correct over 21 thousand pages.

It would be a good tool for someone that is just beginning to make web pages, or has just a few web pages.

I posted above in this thread that Cyber HQ is working on an auto-correction feature for CSE HTML Validator, but they do not have a time frame for a possible release.

[GFED]

Maybe this program will clean your HTML for you? http://www.pcbit.com/htmlopt/download.shtml

I've used it to crunch pages, and it works pretty good. Just make sure you keep a backup just in case.