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  • Drake
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    • Mar 2003
    • 12508

    #101
    Ok, so what's the real answer?

    Edit: 100 math riddles
    Last edited by Drake; 12-17-2004, 12:28 PM.

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    • Doctor Dre
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      • Jan 2001
      • 51692

      #102
      he still have 50 % ..
      Last edited by Doctor Dre; 12-17-2004, 12:28 PM.
      Originally posted by rayadp05
      I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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      • Doctor Dre
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        • Jan 2001
        • 51692

        #103
        Removeing one box = 50 % on each others

        that's it . he got 50 % of chances to win either box he choose . there are only 2 ...
        Originally posted by rayadp05
        I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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        • Doctor Dre
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jan 2001
          • 51692

          #104
          i don't beleive a word of that crap ...

          you got 3, you remove 1

          2 boxes, 50/50.
          Originally posted by rayadp05
          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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          • sixxxthsense
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            • Aug 2004
            • 2419

            #105
            Originally posted by kirupai
            What if he chooses the same box, he still has the 50%
            exactly!

            dum ass riddle!

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            • SilverTab
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              • Nov 2001
              • 5060

              #106
              Originally posted by Doctor Dre
              i don't beleive a word of that crap ...

              you got 3, you remove 1

              2 boxes, 50/50.
              Read this SLOWLY

              There is a 1/3 chance that you'll hit the prize door, and a 2/3 chance that you'll miss the prize. If you do not switch, 1/3 is your probability to get the prize. However, if you missed (and this with the probability of 2/3) then the prize is behind one of the remaining two doors. Furthermore, of these two, the host will open the empty one, leaving the prize door closed. Therefore, if you miss and then switch, you are certain to get the prize. Summing up, if you do not switch your chance of winning is 1/3 whereas if you do switch your chance of winning is 2/3.

              THE ONLY CASE WHERE YOU WILL WIN IF YOU DON'T SWITCH IS IF YOU PICKED THE CORRECT BOX ON THE FIRST ATTEMPT = 1/3

              THE ONLY CHANCE YOU WILL NOT WIN BY SWITCHING IS IF YOU PICKED THE CORRECT BOX FROM THE START.... (in other words...1/3 chances OF NOT WINNING, HENCE, 2/3 chances of WINNING)
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              • ytcracker
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                • Dec 2002
                • 12403

                #107
                ugh

                watching the replies to this is frustrating

                its really simple

                unless you are clairvoyant, you only have a 1/3 chance in picking it right the first time

                once a KNOWN empty has been eliminated, switching provides you with the advantage because with the additional information of a known empty taken out of the equation, youre now basing your decision off of a 2/3 skew

                ok i made it worse
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                • Libertine
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                  • May 2002
                  • 17860

                  #108
                  Originally posted by chodadog
                  See, when you first choose, there are 3 possible outcomes. A, B, or C. You have a 1 in 3 chance of picking the correct box.

                  However, once a box is removed on the condition that said box is not a prize winner, and then given the chance to swap your choice, there are now 4 possibilities.

                  Everything changes when the third box is removed. 3 has nothing to do with it anymore. You know have 2 boxes and 2 possible variations to each. A total of 4 possible outcomes.

                  To make my point more obvious, think about it like this. The third box does not matter. Just ignore it. It's a given that you will end up with 2 boxes, one of which is empty, and one of which contains the prize. So why not just start there? Start with two boxes. 1 in 2 chance.

                  I am 99% sure i've got this right.
                  The third box DOES matter, that's the whole point...

                  But let's look at a bigger-sized example. Perhaps that will make it clear.

                  Imagine someone has 1000 marbles. One of them contains a diamond, 999 do not.

                  He says "I will let you pick 1 of my marbles, and after that, I will put aside 998 of my marbles that do not contain diamonds."

                  Independent of your choice, he will ALWAYS be able to put aside 998 marbles that do not contain diamonds.

                  You pick a marble, with a 1/1000 chance of getting the diamond.

                  Then, he says, "I will now put aside 998 of my marbles that do not contain a diamond."

                  Now, has your marble suddenly gone from a 1/1000 chance of being a diamond to a 1/2 chance of being a diamond?
                  Even if, have you picked any of the non-diamonds, this very same thing would have happened?
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                  • Libertine
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                    • May 2002
                    • 17860

                    #109
                    Originally posted by ytcracker
                    ugh

                    watching the replies to this is frustrating

                    its really simple

                    unless you are clairvoyant, you only have a 1/3 chance in picking it right the first time

                    once a KNOWN empty has been eliminated, switching provides you with the advantage because with the additional information of a known empty taken out of the equation, youre now basing your decision off of a 2/3 skew

                    ok i made it worse
                    Frustrating to argue against people who somehow fail to see the obvious, isn't it?
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                    • SilverTab
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                      • Nov 2001
                      • 5060

                      #110
                      Originally posted by punkworld
                      Frustrating to argue against people who somehow fail to see the obvious, isn't it?
                      exactly! It's pretty simple actually!

                      Let's say you pick A.....

                      The only case you will win is if it's behind door A....but if it's behind door B or C...you will have it by switching!...as simple as that!

                      1/3 chances against 2/3 by switching....
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                      • ytcracker
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 12403

                        #111
                        Originally posted by punkworld
                        Frustrating to argue against people who somehow fail to see the obvious, isn't it?
                        yes

                        i think this will help

                        **GFY VERSION OF THE RIDDLE**

                        there are three hot looking women in front of you and two of them are trannies but they are all wearing baggy pants

                        their pimp says choose the woman and you can have sex with her

                        so you choose the one with the least defined jawline

                        the pimp then removes one of the trannies from the lineup

                        you notice the one you chose has a boner

                        case closed
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                        • BlueDesignStudios
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 9492

                          #112
                          Originally posted by punkworld
                          Frustrating to argue against people who somehow fail to see the obvious, isn't it?


                          you only need to think about it for a minute to verify... it's not that hard

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                          • StuartD
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 29903

                            #113
                            omg people... this shouldn't be this difficult.

                            1 - 3 chances.... take away 1.

                            1 - 2 chances.

                            That's as simple as it gets. If you have 2 boxes, that's all you have... REGARDLESS of how many are taken away before hand... if you have 2 boxes remaining, that's 2 boxes... the odds are... it's one of the two. That's it.. that's all.

                            When there are 2 boxes, there is no way that one has 2/3 of chance of being right. Get it? Got it? Good.
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                            • alexg
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                              • Aug 2003
                              • 11287

                              #114
                              Originally posted by smit
                              haha you are an idiot
                              dude if i were you i would at least pretend to understand the solution.
                              dumbass

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                              • alexg
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                                • Aug 2003
                                • 11287

                                #115
                                Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                omg people... this shouldn't be this difficult.

                                1 - 3 chances.... take away 1.

                                1 - 2 chances.

                                That's as simple as it gets. If you have 2 boxes, that's all you have... REGARDLESS of how many are taken away before hand... if you have 2 boxes remaining, that's 2 boxes... the odds are... it's one of the two. That's it.. that's all.

                                When there are 2 boxes, there is no way that one has 2/3 of chance of being right. Get it? Got it? Good.
                                omg you still don't get it do you?

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                                • galleryseek
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                                  • Mar 2002
                                  • 8234

                                  #116
                                  oh my god i can't believe there is this much chat over this... it's so fucking plain and simple.

                                  god damn people are stupid. he could choose to stay with his current box, or the other one.. he still has the same 50% chance.

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                                  • chodadog
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                                    • Apr 2002
                                    • 9736

                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by punkworld
                                    The third box DOES matter, that's the whole point...

                                    But let's look at a bigger-sized example. Perhaps that will make it clear.

                                    Imagine someone has 1000 marbles. One of them contains a diamond, 999 do not.

                                    He says "I will let you pick 1 of my marbles, and after that, I will put aside 998 of my marbles that do not contain diamonds."

                                    Independent of your choice, he will ALWAYS be able to put aside 998 marbles that do not contain diamonds.

                                    You pick a marble, with a 1/1000 chance of getting the diamond.

                                    Then, he says, "I will now put aside 998 of my marbles that do not contain a diamond."

                                    Now, has your marble suddenly gone from a 1/1000 chance of being a diamond to a 1/2 chance of being a diamond?
                                    Even if, have you picked any of the non-diamonds, this very same thing would have happened?
                                    That's not a similar problem. You have to remove equally sized portions sort of thing or it throws it totally out of whack and it's a different problem.

                                    In our 3 box problem, you have 3 things that are each equal. In your example, you have 1 marble versus 1 marble versus 998 marbles. It's ridiculous.
                                    26 + 6 = 1

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                                    • SilverTab
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                                      • Nov 2001
                                      • 5060

                                      #118
                                      Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                      omg people... this shouldn't be this difficult.

                                      1 - 3 chances.... take away 1.

                                      1 - 2 chances.

                                      That's as simple as it gets. If you have 2 boxes, that's all you have... REGARDLESS of how many are taken away before hand... if you have 2 boxes remaining, that's 2 boxes... the odds are... it's one of the two. That's it.. that's all.

                                      When there are 2 boxes, there is no way that one has 2/3 of chance of being right. Get it? Got it? Good.
                                      LOL so wrong...again, thing about it...
                                      The host KNOW where the prize is...


                                      Let's say you pick A.....

                                      The only case you will win is if it's behind door A....but if it's behind door B or C...you will have it by switching!...as simple as that!
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                                      • alexg
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                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 11287

                                        #119
                                        Originally posted by ytcracker
                                        yes

                                        i think this will help

                                        **GFY VERSION OF THE RIDDLE**

                                        there are three hot looking women in front of you and two of them are trannies but they are all wearing baggy pants

                                        their pimp says choose the woman and you can have sex with her

                                        so you choose the one with the least defined jawline

                                        the pimp then removes one of the trannies from the lineup

                                        you notice the one you chose has a boner

                                        case closed

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                                        • ytcracker
                                          stc is the greatest
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 12403

                                          #120
                                          Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                          omg people... this shouldn't be this difficult.

                                          1 - 3 chances.... take away 1.

                                          1 - 2 chances.

                                          That's as simple as it gets. If you have 2 boxes, that's all you have... REGARDLESS of how many are taken away before hand... if you have 2 boxes remaining, that's 2 boxes... the odds are... it's one of the two. That's it.. that's all.

                                          When there are 2 boxes, there is no way that one has 2/3 of chance of being right. Get it? Got it? Good.
                                          MM

                                          fuck man

                                          you dont have 1/2 chances
                                          you have 1/3 and 2/3

                                          the host KNOWS where an empty box is
                                          if he was just arbitrarily choosing a box then it wouldnt matter

                                          but the fact is he is eliminating a KNOWN empty

                                          therefore your new choice gives you the benefit of the revealed empty box
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                                          • Libertine
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                                            • May 2002
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                                            #121
                                            Just remembered something I encountered the other day. For all those who think 50% is the right answer, here's a master's thesis from a guy from my faculty proving you wrong:
                                            http://www.philos.rug.nl/~barteld/monty.ps

                                            It's in postscript though, so get a viewer for that (e.g. ghostscript).
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                                            • ytcracker
                                              stc is the greatest
                                              • Dec 2002
                                              • 12403

                                              #122
                                              Originally posted by galleryseek
                                              oh my god i can't believe there is this much chat over this... it's so fucking plain and simple.

                                              god damn people are stupid. he could choose to stay with his current box, or the other one.. he still has the same 50% chance.
                                              dude

                                              arghhhhhhhh
                                              no

                                              its nothing to do with 50%

                                              there are three boxes
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                                              • SilverTab
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                                                • Nov 2001
                                                • 5060

                                                #123
                                                Fuck that I can't believe people don't understand it...


                                                Here we go again:
                                                Case 1:
                                                THE PRIZE IS BEHING DOOR B

                                                Let's say you pick door A.....The host opens door C... you STAY with A...YOU LOSE

                                                Case 2:
                                                THE PRIZE IS BEHIND DOOR C

                                                Let's say you pick door A.....The host opens door B... you STAY with A...YOU LOSE

                                                The only chance you would win is if the prize is behind door A (1/3)

                                                BUT IN BOTH CASE IF YOU STARTED WITH DOOR A AND SWITCHED, YOU WOULD WIN (2/3 chances of winning)

                                                come on it's not that hard to understand
                                                Last edited by SilverTab; 12-17-2004, 12:52 PM.
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                                                • ytcracker
                                                  stc is the greatest
                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                  • 12403

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                  yes

                                                  i think this will help

                                                  **GFY VERSION OF THE RIDDLE**

                                                  there are three hot looking women in front of you and two of them are trannies but they are all wearing baggy pants

                                                  their pimp says choose the woman and you can have sex with her

                                                  so you choose the one with the least defined jawline

                                                  the pimp then removes one of the trannies from the lineup

                                                  you notice the one you chose has a boner

                                                  case closed


                                                  ^- brilliance at work believe that
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                                                  • chodadog
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                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                    • 9736

                                                    #125
                                                    RECAP!

                                                    In all this back and forth shit, everything has been kind of spread out. I won the ebay auction i was waiting for so i'm going to make one last post before i fuck off to bed for you guys to read and think about.

                                                    3 boxes. 1 has a prize in it.

                                                    Initially, you have a 1 in 3 chance of picking the correct box.

                                                    An incorrect box is then removed, leaving you with 2 boxes. One is the prize. The other is not. Two boxes. 50 percent chance. That makes it 1 in 2. You're then offered the ability to switch. If you choose not to switch, you're left with a 1 in 2 chance. If you elect to switch, you now have a 2 in 4 chance, which is the same as a 1 in 2 chance.

                                                    Let me explain.

                                                    At first, there are 3 boxes and a total of 3 outcomes each with a 33.3333% chance of occuring.
                                                    A box is then removed. The 3 becomes 100% irrelevant. You now have two boxes and a total of 2 possible outcomes. These outcomes each now have a 50% chance of occurring.
                                                    You are then offered a switch. This gives each of the 2 existing possible outcomes another possible outcome each, leaving you with a total of 4 possible outcomes. 2 of them will win if you elect to stay. 2 of them will win if you elect to switch giving you a 2 out of 4 chance, i.e., 1 in 2 chance of choosing the correct box. Illustrated below:

                                                    Outcome Number 1: If A is right
                                                    then the host reveals B
                                                    and switching does NOT pay off
                                                    OR
                                                    Outcome Number 2: the host reveals C
                                                    and switching does NOT pay off

                                                    Outcome Number 3: If B is right
                                                    then the host reveals C
                                                    and switching does pay off

                                                    Outcome Number 4: If C is right
                                                    then the host reveals B
                                                    and switching does pay off

                                                    2 out of 4 = 1 out of 2.

                                                    That should explain it enough.

                                                    But to further prove just how irrelevant the third box is, ponder this. You're given 2 boxes. You get to choose one. Then after making your choice, you get told you can change your mind. There are 4 possible outcomes.

                                                    The third box is absolutely irrelevant. It serves no purpose whatsoever. This is further illustrated by the fact that NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, an incorrect box will always be taken away and you'll be left with one right, and one wrong. No matter fucking what! Can't you see how that completely negates the third box?

                                                    Anyways. I'm off. Bedtime for me.
                                                    26 + 6 = 1

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                                                    • SilverTab
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                      • 5060

                                                      #126
                                                      Let's take a look at the 3 cases again LOL
                                                      1 = prize, 0 = no prize

                                                      CASE 1:
                                                      A B C
                                                      1 0 0

                                                      You pick A, the host open eighter B or C...you stay with your choice, you win....you switch, you lose... ONLY CASE WHERE YOU WILL WIN

                                                      CASE 2:
                                                      A B C
                                                      0 1 0

                                                      You pick A, the host open C....you switch,
                                                      YOU WIN...you stay with your choice YOU LOSE

                                                      CASE 3:
                                                      A B C
                                                      0 0 1

                                                      You pick A, the host open B....you switch,
                                                      YOU WIN...you stay with your choice YOU LOSE


                                                      Fuck....it's easy to understand! there's no 50/50 here damnit!
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                                                      • Libertine
                                                        sex dwarf
                                                        • May 2002
                                                        • 17860

                                                        #127
                                                        Originally posted by chodadog
                                                        RECAP!

                                                        In all this back and forth shit, everything has been kind of spread out. I won the ebay auction i was waiting for so i'm going to make one last post before i fuck off to bed for you guys to read and think about.

                                                        3 boxes. 1 has a prize in it.

                                                        Initially, you have a 1 in 3 chance of picking the correct box.

                                                        An incorrect box is then removed, leaving you with 2 boxes. One is the prize. The other is not. Two boxes. 50 percent chance. That makes it 1 in 2. You're then offered the ability to switch. If you choose not to switch, you're left with a 1 in 2 chance. If you elect to switch, you now have a 2 in 4 chance, which is the same as a 1 in 2 chance.

                                                        Let me explain.

                                                        At first, there are 3 boxes and a total of 3 outcomes each with a 33.3333% chance of occuring.
                                                        A box is then removed. The 3 becomes 100% irrelevant. You now have two boxes and a total of 2 possible outcomes. These outcomes each now have a 50% chance of occurring.
                                                        You are then offered a switch. This gives each of the 2 existing possible outcomes another possible outcome each, leaving you with a total of 4 possible outcomes. 2 of them will win if you elect to stay. 2 of them will win if you elect to switch giving you a 2 out of 4 chance, i.e., 1 in 2 chance of choosing the correct box. Illustrated below:

                                                        Outcome Number 1: If A is right
                                                        then the host reveals B
                                                        and switching does NOT pay off
                                                        OR
                                                        Outcome Number 2: the host reveals C
                                                        and switching does NOT pay off

                                                        Outcome Number 3: If B is right
                                                        then the host reveals C
                                                        and switching does pay off

                                                        Outcome Number 4: If C is right
                                                        then the host reveals B
                                                        and switching does pay off

                                                        2 out of 4 = 1 out of 2.

                                                        That should explain it enough.

                                                        But to further prove just how irrelevant the third box is, ponder this. You're given 2 boxes. You get to choose one. Then after making your choice, you get told you can change your mind. There are 4 possible outcomes.

                                                        The third box is absolutely irrelevant. It serves no purpose whatsoever. This is further illustrated by the fact that NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, an incorrect box will always be taken away and you'll be left with one right, and one wrong. No matter fucking what! Can't you see how that completely negates the third box?

                                                        Anyways. I'm off. Bedtime for me.
                                                        You're 100% wrong. I know exactly what your mistake is, I've tried to explain it, but I've failed.
                                                        I'll blame myself, though, and assume that I haven't explained it clearly enough yet.

                                                        So, to quote myself:

                                                        Originally posted by punkworld
                                                        Just remembered something I encountered the other day. For all those who think 50% is the right answer, here's a master's thesis from a guy from my faculty proving you wrong:
                                                        http://www.philos.rug.nl/~barteld/monty.ps

                                                        It's in postscript though, so get a viewer for that (e.g. ghostscript).
                                                        /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                        • SilverTab
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                                                          • Nov 2001
                                                          • 5060

                                                          #128
                                                          Let's say you pick A.....

                                                          The only case you will win is if it's behind door A....but if it's behind door B or C...you will have it by switching!...as simple as that!


                                                          Let's say you pick B.....

                                                          The only case you will win is if it's behind door B....but if it's behind door A or C...you will have it by switching!...as simple as that!


                                                          Let's say you pick C.....

                                                          The only case you will win is if it's behind door C....but if it's behind door A or B...you will have it by switching!...as simple as that!


                                                          Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
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                                                          • ytcracker
                                                            stc is the greatest
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 12403

                                                            #129
                                                            chodadog

                                                            your analysis is incorrect

                                                            the third box is incredibly significant it is the key to this whole thing

                                                            if the host chose any box at random, then it wouldnt matter

                                                            he doesnt though

                                                            he chooses an empty box 100% of the time

                                                            when you made your initial guess you chose the box based on a 1/3 assumption

                                                            not knowing anything about what your box or any other box contains

                                                            now when an empty is taken out of the picture, you are now switching based on a 66% chance because before you didnt know the box the host removed was empty

                                                            by switching to the other box, you are now basing your opinion because of the presense of the known empty, not 50/50 chance because you picked that box based on 1/3

                                                            im having a hard time explaining this...fuckfukcukcukf
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                                                            • ytcracker
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                                                              #130
                                                              silvertab your explanation is fucking easy thanks
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                                                              • StuartD
                                                                Sofa King Band
                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                • 29903

                                                                #131
                                                                Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                                MM

                                                                fuck man

                                                                you dont have 1/2 chances
                                                                you have 1/3 and 2/3

                                                                the host KNOWS where an empty box is
                                                                if he was just arbitrarily choosing a box then it wouldnt matter

                                                                but the fact is he is eliminating a KNOWN empty

                                                                therefore your new choice gives you the benefit of the revealed empty box
                                                                Ok, let me put this another way...

                                                                Let's have an invisible man be at box #2... ok? just standing there.

                                                                Now, the person takes a box... invisible man get box #2 and stands there and the announcer opens box #3 to reveal that its' empty.

                                                                Ok, no the person is standing there thinking "ok, that was opened, so the other box must have a higher chance of being the one with the prize."

                                                                BUT WAIT.

                                                                What would the invisible man be thinking?? Huh?? Would he be standing there thinking "ok, I have box #2, and the box #3 was empty, that must mean that the box infront of the other guy has a higher chance of having the prize!"

                                                                Wait a sec.... does that mean that BOTH boxes have a 66% chance of having the prize?

                                                                Can it possibly be... that just because you're standing with one box in your hands, that it DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT THE OTHER BOX HAS TO GET THE EXTRA 33%??? Who is person #1 to decide WHICH box has the higher probabillity?? huh?? What about the poor invisible man behind box #2?? His is automatically the lower probability because person #1 says so??

                                                                I think not.
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                                                                • SilverTab
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                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                  • 5060

                                                                  #132
                                                                  Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                                  chodadog

                                                                  your analysis is incorrect

                                                                  the third box is incredibly significant it is the key to this whole thing

                                                                  if the host chose any box at random, then it wouldnt matter

                                                                  he doesnt though

                                                                  he chooses an empty box 100% of the time

                                                                  when you made your initial guess you chose the box based on a 1/3 assumption

                                                                  not knowing anything about what your box or any other box contains

                                                                  now when an empty is taken out of the picture, you are now switching based on a 66% chance because before you didnt know the box the host removed was empty

                                                                  by switching to the other box, you are now basing your opinion because of the presense of the known empty, not 50/50 chance because you picked that box based on 1/3

                                                                  im having a hard time explaining this...fuckfukcukcukf

                                                                  I think I will give up!

                                                                  although the proof has been made...(I even think it's quite easy to figure out) some will just never admit it LOL
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                                                                  • alexg
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                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                    • 11287

                                                                    #133
                                                                    Originally posted by kowntafit
                                                                    You are a fucking moron my friend, it is not interesting and it is not a riddle, you simply do not understand probability.

                                                                    You also have a flaw in your explanation, at first it was the host that opened the box, then at the end you said it was the participant that opened it. That is not you major misunderstanding but another error.

                                                                    I don't beleive how stupid some people here are, I guess you don't have to be smart to be a webmaster huh?
                                                                    there WAS a flaw in my first post but I then corrected it..

                                                                    there is a 66% chance to win if he switches, not 50%...

                                                                    if you think it's 50-50, you're wrong... it's pretty simple

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                                                                    • SilverTab
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                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                      • 5060

                                                                      #134
                                                                      Originally posted by alexg
                                                                      there WAS a flaw in my first post but I then corrected it..

                                                                      there is a 66% chance to win if he switches, not 50%...

                                                                      if you think it's 50-50, you're wrong... it's pretty simple
                                                                      LOL I tried like 5 different ways of explaining it...seems like people are just NOT reading it LOL...fuck that....
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                                                                      • ytcracker
                                                                        stc is the greatest
                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                        • 12403

                                                                        #135
                                                                        Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                        I think not.
                                                                        silvertabs explanation is probably as simple as it gets

                                                                        your choice is not 50/50

                                                                        your initial choice was based on 3 boxes

                                                                        the host will always show you that one box is empty

                                                                        Let's take a look at the 3 cases again LOL
                                                                        1 = prize, 0 = no prize

                                                                        CASE 1:
                                                                        A B C
                                                                        1 0 0

                                                                        You pick A, the host open eighter B or C...you stay with your choice, you win....you switch, you lose... ONLY CASE WHERE YOU WILL WIN

                                                                        CASE 2:
                                                                        A B C
                                                                        0 1 0

                                                                        You pick A, the host open C....you switch,
                                                                        YOU WIN...you stay with your choice YOU LOSE

                                                                        CASE 3:
                                                                        A B C
                                                                        0 0 1

                                                                        You pick A, the host open B....you switch,
                                                                        YOU WIN...you stay with your choice YOU LOSE
                                                                        this makes perfect sense

                                                                        do not think of this in terms of only two boxes
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                                                                        • Libertine
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                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 17860

                                                                          #136
                                                                          SilverTab, ytcracker, I applaud your hard work but I fear that it will yield no results
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                                                                          • StuartD
                                                                            Sofa King Band
                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                            • 29903

                                                                            #137
                                                                            Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                                            silvertabs explanation is probably as simple as it gets

                                                                            your choice is not 50/50

                                                                            your initial choice was based on 3 boxes

                                                                            the host will always show you that one box is empty



                                                                            this makes perfect sense

                                                                            do not think of this in terms of only two boxes
                                                                            I've seen that explanation before, and believe me... it does make sense, but is still incorrect.

                                                                            Try not to think of it in terms of one person... think of it being two boxes.

                                                                            Read my post... if there's someone at box #1 and someone at box #2... which one has the higher probability?

                                                                            You assume that the chances are higher so long as one person is making a choice, but when two people are, you can easily see... the odds are even.
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                                                                            • alexg
                                                                              IL4L.com
                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                              • 11287

                                                                              #138
                                                                              let's see how much gfyers really suck at math


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                                                                              • ytcracker
                                                                                stc is the greatest
                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                • 12403

                                                                                #139
                                                                                Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                                I've seen that explanation before, and believe me... it does make sense, but is still incorrect.

                                                                                Try not to think of it in terms of one person... think of it being two boxes.

                                                                                Read my post... if there's someone at box #1 and someone at box #2... which one has the higher probability?

                                                                                You assume that the chances are higher so long as one person is making a choice, but when two people are, you can easily see... the odds are even.
                                                                                masked man

                                                                                you have to think of it in terms of one person one guess

                                                                                the reason why is because if the one person has INITIALLY chosen an empty box the host cannot open HIS box to show him his guess was wrong

                                                                                he will open the empty box that the guy hasnt selected

                                                                                in which case if he switches he will win

                                                                                however

                                                                                lets say he picks the prize box first

                                                                                the host has discretion over either empty box to open

                                                                                if he switches away from the prize he loses

                                                                                this is the only condition where he loses

                                                                                otherwise the host will always be taking away an empty box in favor of the contestant

                                                                                im trying to think of how i can illustrate this point in an easy fashion
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                                                                                • SilverTab
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                                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                                  • 5060

                                                                                  #140
                                                                                  This is my last attempt at explaining it

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                                                                                  • Fred Quimby
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                                                    • 5430

                                                                                    #141
                                                                                    but if he stays with his old choice, he still has a 33.333% chance of course...
                                                                                    your logic is warped

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                                                                                    • WarChild
                                                                                      Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                      • 17263

                                                                                      #142
                                                                                      Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                                      I've seen that explanation before, and believe me... it does make sense, but is still incorrect.

                                                                                      Try not to think of it in terms of one person... think of it being two boxes.

                                                                                      Read my post... if there's someone at box #1 and someone at box #2... which one has the higher probability?

                                                                                      You assume that the chances are higher so long as one person is making a choice, but when two people are, you can easily see... the odds are even.
                                                                                      That makes no sense at all. The variables are not the same with two people.

                                                                                      One person selects two boxes (by actually selecting 1 box) while the other person is stuck with only 1 box.

                                                                                      Look at it like this: You are trying to select 1 winning item out of 3 possible choices. If I give you one unknown box and keep two for myself, who has the better odds of winning? I have two chances of winning and you only one.

                                                                                      Adding a fictional third person completely changes the equation.
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                                                                                      • ytcracker
                                                                                        stc is the greatest
                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                        • 12403

                                                                                        #143
                                                                                        Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                        That makes no sense at all. The variables are not the same with two people.

                                                                                        One person selects two boxes (by actually selecting 1 box) while the other person is stuck with only 1 box.

                                                                                        Look at it like this: You are trying to select 1 winning item out of 3 possible choices. If I give you one unknown box and keep two for myself, who has the better odds of winning? I have two chances of winning and you only one.

                                                                                        Adding a fictional third person completely changes the equation.
                                                                                        exactly

                                                                                        because say the invisible man was sitting at the other empty box

                                                                                        when the host takes that box from the invisible man he cant just switch boxes
                                                                                        thats not the fucking point
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                                                                                        • StuartD
                                                                                          Sofa King Band
                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                          • 29903

                                                                                          #144
                                                                                          sheesh.. you guys go on picking that other box then. Good luck on that one.

                                                                                          I say one of you guys puts it to a test. Have someone know where the prize is so that he can remove a box every time....

                                                                                          and you go on picking the other box every single time for about 500 times.

                                                                                          See whether or not you get it right 250 times, or more.
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                                                                                          • SilverTab
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                                                                                            • Nov 2001
                                                                                            • 5060

                                                                                            #145
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                                                                                            • ytcracker
                                                                                              stc is the greatest
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 12403

                                                                                              #146
                                                                                              Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                                              sheesh.. you guys go on picking that other box then. Good luck on that one.

                                                                                              I say one of you guys puts it to a test. Have someone know where the prize is so that he can remove a box every time....

                                                                                              and you go on picking the other box every single time for about 500 times.

                                                                                              See whether or not you get it right 250 times, or more.
                                                                                              http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml

                                                                                              scroll down about a quarter of the way
                                                                                              and play the simulation

                                                                                              just hit the radio buttons to guess where the prize is

                                                                                              try this yourself
                                                                                              it will become clear to you
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                                                                                              • SilverTab
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                                • 5060

                                                                                                #147
                                                                                                Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                                                                http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml

                                                                                                scroll down about a quarter of the way
                                                                                                and play the simulation

                                                                                                just hit the radio buttons to guess where the prize is

                                                                                                try this yourself
                                                                                                it will become clear to you
                                                                                                you beat me to it...

                                                                                                http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml


                                                                                                Just try it damn it!...the numbers are there....can't see why people won't understand it....

                                                                                                if you stay, you have 1/3 chances....(if you picked it correctly at your first pick)

                                                                                                IF YOU DIDN'T PICKED CORRECTLY ON YOUR FIRST PICK, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE IT BY SWITCHING!
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                                                                                                • ytcracker
                                                                                                  stc is the greatest
                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                  • 12403

                                                                                                  #148
                                                                                                  Originally posted by SilverTab
                                                                                                  you beat me to it...

                                                                                                  http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                  http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                  http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                  http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml
                                                                                                  http://www.cut-the-knot.org/hall.shtml

                                                                                                  IF YOU DIDN'T PICKED CORRECTLY ON YOUR FIRST PICK, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE IT BY SWITCHING!
                                                                                                  the reasoning behind this is because the host will ALWAYS remove an empty box

                                                                                                  if you have selected EITHER one of the TWO empty boxes, he will remove the other empty box and you will switch to the prize

                                                                                                  you have a 2/3 chance of selecting an empty box the first time

                                                                                                  you have a 1/3 chance to select the prize

                                                                                                  this is not fucking hard
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                                                                                                  • Mr. Mike
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                    • 913

                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                    Wow, there's gotta be a better way to write this "Riddle". I need some Tylonol
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                                                                                                    • SilverTab
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                                                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                                                      • 5060

                                                                                                      #150
                                                                                                      Originally posted by ytcracker

                                                                                                      this is not fucking hard
                                                                                                      apparently it is!....
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