Prison rape

[kenny]

Does a 20 year old kid who grew some pot or stole a car really deserve to be placed in a prison to be raped by some HIV infected inmates?

[dozey]

hmm, the things that teenage stoners have done never cease to amaze me. I had a friend who was caught by police a few times, yet he keeps on trying to deal pot.

Whats more annoying is he would be off his nut on e's alof of the time which tended to turn him into an asshole.

conclusions -- drugs suck, kids need to learn

[strats]

drugs do suck

[nofx]

they should place non violent and violent offenders in seperate locations.

drugs are awesome if you know how to use them correctly.

[Vitasoy]

Originally posted by kenny
Does a 20 year old kid who grew some pot or stole a car really deserve to be placed in a prison to be raped by some HIV infected inmates?

Only killer deseve to be in those types of prisons

[mastermikex]

i did a study on prison rape, and although it does happen, it doesn't happen as much as you might think. the guys who are more likely to get raped are the ones who wont fight back. the rapists want easy targets, so if you're ever in prison, act like you're the toughest motherfucker in there.
In any case, a kid who steals a car or two or grows a bit of weed isn't gonna get thrown in prison. Might spend a few days in jail at the most. They should have more fieldtrips to prisons in school. Punk ass kids might think harder about being immature assholes if they could see the shit that goes on in there.

[kenny]

Originally posted by nofx
they should place non violent and violent offenders in seperate locations.

drugs are awesome if you know how to use them correctly.

They build more secure prisons for the more violent crinimals.. but apparently the jail house lawyers or the inmate who files law suits needs the space more.

I had some people show me some statistics regarding the prison system in the USA.. our system is truely fucked up.

[BRISK]

Marijuana should be legal

[VIPimp]

Originally posted by mastermikex
i did a study on prison rape, and although it does happen, it doesn't happen as much as you might think. the guys who are more likely to get raped are the ones who wont fight back. the rapists want easy targets, so if you're ever in prison, act like you're the toughest motherfucker in there.

Its not a matter of who's the toughest or whatever... that means nothing. there is prison gangs, unless your in one or paying one off your prolly fucked.

one of my friends just went inside a few months ago, its costing his family hundreds of dollars a month to payoff a prison gang so they wont fuck with and keep him protected.

prisons are all fucked up bigtime.

[Napolean]

Originally posted by kenny
Does a 20 year old kid who grew some pot or stole a car really deserve to be placed in a prison to be raped by some HIV infected inmates?

im 21, and I say YES

if he was just a stoner who was growing pot then no.

but he stole a car too, shows total diregard for anyone else but #1.. sounds like a peice of shit to me

i think he deserves worse personally

[Roald]

Originally posted by VIPimp
Its not a matter of who's the toughest or whatever... that means nothing. there is prison gangs, unless your in one or paying one off your prolly fucked.

one of my friends just went inside a few months ago, its costing his family hundreds of dollars a month to payoff a prison gang so they wont fuck with and keep him protected.

prisons are all fucked up bigtime.

Thats why you are in prison I guess ;)

[kenny]

Originally posted by VIPimp
Its not a matter of who's the toughest or whatever... that means nothing. there is prison gangs, unless your in one or paying one off your prolly fucked.

one of my friends just went inside a few months ago, its costing his family hundreds of dollars a month to payoff a prison gang so they wont fuck with and keep him protected.

prisons are all fucked up bigtime.

Exactly.

There are many factors..

Whatever "studies" are done on the matter you have to automaticly consider that the data is based on a very small % od actual events

Only one out of many rapes are being reported.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Napolean
im 21, and I say YES

if he was just a stoner who was growing pot then no.

but he stole a car too, shows total diregard for anyone else but #1.. sounds like a peice of shit to me

i think he deserves worse personally

Lets hope you never have to go to jail for anything

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by kenny
Lets hope you never have to go to jail for anything

Let's hope he's not stupid enough to get stoned and steal a car. But then thankfully the vast majority of the population have more intelligence than that even if only just.

If some fucker stole my car I'd want him locked up even if just for s short while. As they say if you can't do the time....

[strats]

Originally posted by BRISK
Marijuana should be legal

I wrote a letter to the editor here in fairbanks.

they didn't publish it. If they had, alaska would be legalized.

They however were stupid about how they presented the measure on the ballot. They said 100% legal, sell whatever you want. I wrote up a big fucking letter to the editor that made perfect sense, and they didn't post it... I dont know why, maybe because they cannot put a measure on hold for revision..

.. However, it definetly was a damn good letter. and here it is.

Pot time

Legalize it. get it under some wraps. The state needs to hold a convention for local growers/open two or three smoke shops in every town before it is officially legal. "The measure is on hold pending revisions..." A percentage of the proceeds go to the state. Locals firmly establish the shops before it officially gets legalized. everything gets in place. and then we open it up. You have absolutely no idea how popular alaska is goign to become (im sure you do..) This is such a difficult issue to tackle. The system itself needs to undergo some serious changes in either case, especially if it remains illegal. Thousands and thosuands of people have/are suffering through crappy tv, food, fear, and even aids in jails acrossed the country. This doesn't help people. Legalizing pot with a clearly defined measure reduces suffering AND promotes healthy human interaction at a local level. There are several nice side effects which arise from this, which I will cover later.

These are the commercial guidelines: < 3% THC/organic/2 week flush before harvest.

It becomes commercially accepted. The above rules are THE rules. If someone wants high grade 'dank' (18-25% thc), then they turn to the same ole locals.. for the same ole pot.. via the same ole telephone call. This keeps the power in local hands, and imposes fairly safe/strict rulesets on commercial growing. We will have to set up several testing labs so we can properly discipline schoolkids; Simply make anything above commercial grade pot a VERY extreme offense for minors. For adults? 21? No. Kids? School? I think so.

Commercial pot will be equivalent to 5$ a pack? 20$ an ounce?..

Normal pot will probably go down to 40$ an ounce. Its at 300 an ounce now... 40 bux is ok This will do wonders for every town; Growers can actually start talking to eachother hehe. "Hey man, did you try soanso's MTF?" .. well, im goin to call it a nite on this.

Yours Truly,
xxxxxxxxxxxxx

p.s. If It does get legalized, please dont do nothing. I dont need a bunch of, pardon me, retards from california storming up here in a tornado of stupidity to open up their 'im so cool, yeah' smoke shops like they know what they're doing.

We gonna seed it? Yes? No? I dunno. It needs revisions. Can the law be put on hold pending revisions? 22% THC is nuts, especially for kids. We cannot release this law in its current form. Hey, I kinda care about this.. kinda.. Also, Im tired of suffering. So please do something. Maybe next we can look at school/prison food. Just maybe? Anyway, If this makes it to press, then cong me. later.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Tipsy
Let's hope he's not stupid enough to get stoned and steal a car. But then thankfully the vast majority of the population have more intelligence than that even if only just.

If some fucker stole my car I'd want him locked up even if just for s short while. As they say if you can't do the time....

I was using auto theft/marijuana manufacture as a moderate example.

It's not hard to get locked up in the US. You can let a $100 fine slip your mind and have jail time hanging over your head.

[kenny]

Let me also add that the same people who openly subject people to such bizarre and inhuman treatment are the first to complain when those same people are released and move next door.

[Napolean]

Originally posted by kenny
Lets hope you never have to go to jail for anything

i shouldnt

it just sucks getting fucked over by someone who puts getting high ahead of everything else including paying their cut of rent and bills.. so im a bit biased now

[MonsterCock]

Minimum security prison if grow operation was under $5000 in value. 4 to 8 month sentence for both pot growing and stealing cars. wont get raped, might get verbally abused and 30% chance of a fist fight but the guards usually have it under control.

[kenny]

Originally posted by MonsterCock
Minimum security prison if grow operation was under $5000 in value. 4 to 8 month sentence for both pot growing and stealing cars. wont get raped, might get verbally abused and 30% chance of a fist fight but the guards usually have it under control.

Depends on the state law where you live.

Regardless, lower level prisons doesn't mean respect for fellow inmates. A higher level prison population usually has more respect for one another because they know they are all in for a serious crime

[Paul Markham]

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

[kenny]

Originally posted by charly
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

I will redo this post.

Let me also add that the same people who openly subject people to such bizarre and inhuman treatment are the first to complain when those same people are released and move next door.

[bizmak]

Originally posted by nofx
they should place non violent and violent offenders in seperate locations.

drugs are awesome if you know how to use them correctly.

you read my mind.

[Goatse]

Originally posted by nofx
they should place non violent and violent offenders in seperate locations.

I tend to agree with that. There's no reason for a pot-grower, a tax cheat, a petty thief or a deadbeat dad to be put in a detention center with rapists, murderers and other pathologically violent individuals. Why cause further damage to individuals who could potentially be reformed and contribute positively to society?

[webmaster x]

Originally posted by kenny
Does a 20 year old kid who grew some pot or stole a car really deserve to be placed in a prison to be raped by some HIV infected inmates?

hell no. that's nasty and cruel.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally posted by kenny


It's not hard to get locked up in the US. You can let a $100 fine slip your mind and have jail time hanging over your head.

It's not hard not to get locked up either. Don't break the law. Millions of us manage to do it everyday.

[webmaster x]

Originally posted by charly
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Well said well said.

[MikeVega]

I did my share of bad things as a kid ... and some of them would have put me away for some time ... but i always knew what i was getting into and what the consequences would be .... it did stop me from doing a lot of stupid shit and a was lucky enough to get out before i got in trouble .... In short if your not willing to pay the price get out of the game .... if ya get caught you'll be seeing the Toss my salad guy .....

[fr33s3x]

yeah.

[zubr]

Originally posted by Goatse
I tend to agree with that. There's no reason for a pot-grower, a tax cheat, a petty thief or a deadbeat dad to be put in a detention center with rapists, murderers and other pathologically violent individuals. Why cause further damage to individuals who could potentially be reformed and contribute positively to society?

because society can positively contribute to their asshole, make sure they never want to go back

[Bobby Vicious]

Still on the subject but here's a great link to prison rape stories with videos. Many case histories.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/video.html

Case History:

At age twenty-two, L.O. received a six-year sentence for possession of cocaine. In April 1995, he was sent to a notoriously dangerous prison in Texas.

L.O. was one of a handful of white prisoners on the prison wing to which he was assigned, and he was immediately subject to racial harassment, threats, and violent assaults. Fearful for his life, he later told Human Rights Watch that he purposely broke prison disciplinary rules in order to be placed on special cell restrictions, which left him locked in his cell twenty-three hours a day and therefore more protected. In May, however, another inmate, S.R., was assigned to share his cell. S.R., who was African American, told L.O. that he was a member of the Crips and displayed identifying tattoos. He immediately began to threaten L.O., demanding that L.O. give up his personal belongings and that he submit to sex. While S.R. was in the shower, L.O. alerted a guard to his situation, stating that he was afraid for his safety and did not want to be housed with S.R. The guard dismissed his fears.

For three days, S.R. threatened L.O., and L.O. repeatedly informed guards of his fears for his safety. On the third night, S.R. again demanded that L.O. submit to sex. When L.O. refused, S.R. yanked him from the top bunk where he had been resting. L.O. fell to the floor and S.R. began punching and kicking him. After a struggle, L.O. was knocked unconscious. When he came to, S.R. was holding a shank (homemade knife) to his throat. S.R. warned L.O. that he would die if he yelled. He then anally raped L.O..

Early the next morning, when guards were delivering the breakfast trays, L.O., who was visibly injured, demanded that he be taken from the cell and brought to the prison infirmary. For an entire day, the guards ignored his plea. L.O. was not examined by prison medical staff until 9:00 a.m. the following morning.

L.O. was transferred to another prison but still felt extremely insecure and unsafe. Two months later, he attempted suicide by cutting his wrists. He was transferred to the prison psychiatric unit for treatment, where he stayed for the remainder of his sentence.

In August 1996, L.O. filed a complaint with the local district attorney, asking that his rape be investigated and the perpetrator--whose name he provided--be criminally prosecuted. No such prosecution was ever instituted, and L.O.'s follow up letters received no response. He was released to a half-way house in 1997, and has since left the prison system.

P.E.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by charly
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

You missed the point.

What Kenny is saying is that sometimes "the time" sentanced winds up being a DEATH SENTANCE when you get raped by some HIV infected inmate.

So if you do something that the system gives you 5 years for, then you get raped and HIV under that system, then the system has failed you FAR MORE than you it.

Get it?

[mardigras]

Originally posted by strats
I wrote a letter to the editor here in fairbanks.

they didn't publish it. If they had, alaska would be legalized.

They however were stupid about how they presented the measure on the ballot. They said 100% legal, sell whatever you want. I wrote up a big fucking letter to the editor that made perfect sense, and they didn't post it... I dont know why, maybe because they cannot put a measure on hold for revision..

.. However, it definetly was a damn good letter. and here it is.

I can't believe they didn't publish your letter.
Those damn bastards