Will IBill release my recurring database?

[Lensman]

I have my lawyers on it, and want to move it to an IPSP.

Do they want to burn that bridge?

[MattO]

Good luck with that. Seriously.

[Shap]

If you don't mind Lensman it would be nice if you kept us posted on what develops. I hope to hear some news regarding this tomorrow

[European Lee]

Lens..

I thought they had already migrated over some of their existing clients to another IPSP in the last few weeks?

Regards,

Lee

[chaze]

Good luck man

[BigWebRev]

Originally posted by Lensman
I have my lawyers on it, and want to move it to an IPSP.

Do they want to burn that bridge?

no, i don't think that they would want to burn that bridge.
they used to let them go in the past, i have seen it a few
times.

[sexeducation]

Wasn't there a way to back it up as you went along?

[Juicy D. Links]

Doubful..........

But best of luck...........

[Giorgio_Xo]

While I am small potatoes, I have 300+ rebills that are in total limbo. It sucks donkey balls.

[Tanker]

I doubt they will do it but it would be nice to see them do somthing for a change

[Dawgy]

Originally posted by sexeducation
Wasn't there a way to back it up as you went along?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Juicy D. Links]

If the law process dont work.... I have Jonny Chin avail for hire

[Tipsy]

Legal action may swing it so you may be in luck. With all their other problems it's doubtful they want more legal fees too.

Be interesting to see how that develops.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by sexeducation
Wasn't there a way to back it up as you went along?

Yes of course there was. It is a really complicated process though and it involves breaking in to Ibill's datacenter and stealing information. It's pretty much a Felony and since the A-team stopped answering ads in the newspaper a few years back, nobody ever attempts it.

[WiredGuy]

I know of one major sponsor who has done this but they had their lawyers put that clause in the original contract with iBill they signed so they could move from one IPSP to another depending on market conditions. With the volume you're managing you should be able to negotiate this type of clause as well.

WG

[uchase/webpry]

Originally posted by Lensman
I have my lawyers on it, and want to move it to an IPSP.

Do they want to burn that bridge?

you won't get it. but if you do, let us all know.

[MattO]

I'd reccomend anyone getting as much of your database as possible before they don't have the resources to look it up.

When it comes down to just a guy sweeping the floor in an empty building it'll be too late.

But if they assigned someone in company the job of rounding up that data for webmasters it would probably be seen as a sign of defeat, and it's unlikely they will assume that posture any time soon.

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by WarChild
Yes of course there was. It is a really complicated process though and it involves breaking in to Ibill's datacenter and stealing information. It's pretty much a Felony and since the A-team stopped answering ads in the newspaper a few years back, nobody ever attempts it.

wow ...
It's like fucking software that you get used to ...
and can never export it out when something else more suitable comes along ..

I will NOT buy software like that anymore.

NOR WILL I EVER DEAL WITH A COMPANY LIKE THAT AGAIN!!

[WarChild]

Originally posted by sexeducation
wow ...
It's like fucking software that you get used to ...
and can never export it out when something else more suitable comes along ..

I will NOT buy software like that anymore.

NOR WILL I EVER DEAL WITH A COMPANY LIKE THAT AGAIN!!

You really need to grasp ahold of the concept of third party billing.

[Drake]

I wouldn't bet on it, but hopefully it will work for you. The legal route does seem the most viable and responsible route with all that's going on there.

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by WarChild
You really need to grasp ahold of the concept of third party billing.

Well - maybe ...
But the key to the information age - is information.

Don't let someone else control your information.

It's simple.

[sexeducation]

Fuck iBill.com if Lensman can not get HIS information.

[Webby]

Lensman:

I have my lawyers on it, and want to move it to an IPSP.

Do they want to burn that bridge?

Frankly, I can't see *any* reason why this should not be the case in the instance of a processor defaulting. (tho, "defaulting" may be an "opinion").

In effect, a processor is being trusted with recurring billing and the removal of this can cause considerable damages. Hell.. I was always of the opinion that any processor needs to provide secured contingency funds in the hands of a third party, to cover the event of their demise. If they cannot support this - they have no business in third party processing.

Laws and legal games don't play a big part when contracts are screwed and folks are being bullshitted - there are more urgent and relevant issues :-)

Reckon I'd have to listen to legal bullshit, but I'd be inclined to grab every dime off iBill right now, along with all records of memberships. This can, for any security reasons, be passed in trust to another party, prior to handing over to another operation.

I've seen a few lying bank managers and similar now - they all talk bullshit hours before they close the doors. I was lucky in two instances when I raided ATM's over 48 hours for as much funds as they would spew out of accounts - tho never got all of it.

I wish iBill well during this time, but it is time that is of the essence :-)

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by Webby
Lensman:


Frankly, I can't see *any* reason why this should not be the case in the instance of a processor defaulting. (tho, "defaulting" may be an "opinion").

In effect, a processor is being trusted with recurring billing and the removal of this can cause considerable damages. Hell.. I was always of the opinion that any processor needs to provide secured contingency funds in the hands of a third party, to cover the event of their demise. If they cannot support this - they have no business in third party processing.

Laws and legal games don't play a big part when contracts are screwed and folks are being bullshitted - there are more urgent and relevant issues :-)

Reckon I'd have to listen to legal bullshit, but I'd be inclined to grab every dime off iBill right now, along with all records of memberships. This can, for any security reasons, be passed in trust to another party, prior to handing over to another operation.

I've seen a few lying bank managers and similar now - they all talk bullshit hours before they close the doors. I was lucky in two instances when I raided ATM's over 48 hours for as much funds as they would spew out of accounts - tho never got all of it.

I wish iBill well during this time, but it is time that is of the essence :-)

I ran a succesful sales organization from many years.
A disgruntled employee came in and stole cases of my receipts for sales made by all employees.

I called the RCMP.

They said they saw no value in the information stolen and therefore would not lay theft charges.

"OH - I said" there was three cases of paper that I intend to recycle and I wish him charged for theft under $1000. Do have the right to charge him with theft under $1000.

"Yes"

"Do it... - I lost 3 cents"

Charge him ...

[media]

I heard someone got their database released thru the right legal channels...

You're prolly on the right track lens.....

[sexeducation]

If iBill.com does not release the information belonging to Lensman they will face a wrath they have never felt before.

Webmasters big and small WORK HOURS AND HOURS to build up their clientel database - and to have that stolen from non-release - is something the adult community will NOT tolerate.

Look at Acacia's mis-fortunes in under estimating the power of the adult internet community.

[BRISK]

Originally posted by sexeducation
I ran a succesful sales organization from many years.

Are you talking about your roadside lemonade stand or your paper route?

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by BRISK
Are you talking about your roadside lemonade stand or your paper route?

NO ...this topic will not be changed into an attack of the messenger.

[Webby]

BRISK:

Are you talking about your roadside lemonade stand or your paper route?

Na.. he's referring to the one that resold hubcaps he stole during the paper round.

[TheSaint]

Globill took a fair chunk of change from me in the same manner. Ok, it wasn't a fortune, but it was in the low 5 figure mark, ouch.

I emailed every single recurring customer and offered them a few bucks off for life if they signed up with my new biller. Wasn't hard to harvest their names even with Globill shut down as I had thought of this a year before and saved all the signup emails.

I got damn good results with that. Sure, some people who had probably forgot or were too lazy to cancel never came back, but, most did, problem solved.

After going through that I feel bad for anyone facing the same shit, but it need not be the end of the world; wasn't for me.

[KRL]

I doubt it Lens, but there are other ways to make people an offer they can't refuse.

[sexeducation]

It's called discretion ...
If I was the moderator of this board ...you would get banned for thread disruption and attacking someone personally.

see new thread for your OFF TOPIC POSTS ...
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=371036

[Drake]

Originally posted by KRL
I doubt it Lens, but there are other ways to make people an offer they can't refuse.

I was going to say this thread is useless without pics.....of OJ's Dream Team. But the Mafia will suffice.

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by TheSaint
Globill took a fair chunk of change from me in the same manner. Ok, it wasn't a fortune, but it was in the low 5 figure mark, ouch.

I emailed every single recurring customer and offered them a few bucks off for life if they signed up with my new biller. Wasn't hard to harvest their names even with Globill shut down as I had thought of this a year before and saved all the signup emails.

I got damn good results with that. Sure, some people who had probably forgot or were too lazy to cancel never came back, but, most did, problem solved.

After going through that I feel bad for anyone facing the same shit, but it need not be the end of the world; wasn't for me.

Globill hammered me ...
I spent months after work - customizing my site to them ...

was making a $1000 per month when they went tits up ...

I still haven't recovered.

[sexeducation]

This thread should be PINNED.

When a supplier refuses to release YOUR recurring CC billing information ...

this is as important as it gets in the adult industy.

this thread should be pinned.

[speakthetruth]

Originally posted by Lensman
I have my lawyers on it, and want to move it to an IPSP.

Do they want to burn that bridge?

Wish I could find the search from about 14 month ago when you were talking about how great the new Ibill team was, how they flew you out to their offices, etc etc. Writing has been on the wall for a long, long, long time. Almost everyone lost some $ in this deal.

[keyboard warrior]

by the time if it ever went to court, ibll we be gone with the cash!

[Suckitbitch]

Originally posted by sexeducation
I still haven't recovered.

Good thing you still have the paper route to fall back on.

[Tat2Jr]

If Lens does get it back I'm positive IBill will put a gag clause of some sort in the stipulation of getting it moved over. They would want that getting out while they're trying to hang onto the last few customers they've got.

I once got a 3rd party biller to do something very nice for me, and they made me promise not to tell anyone about.

[Shoplifter]

This is certainly a sobering thread, maybe the most so on the subject so far. If it's come to this....damn. I can only hope Ibill has the right words and actions tomorrow and can regain the initiative with this.

The issue that comes to my mind with this is not so much Ibill releasing a database, but whom you could find to import it?

[JFK]

bump

[GonZo]

Originally posted by sexeducation
Wasn't there a way to back it up as you went along?

Bow to the Power!!!

[GonZo]

Originally posted by sexeducation
Globill hammered me ...
I spent months after work - customizing my site to them ...

was making a $1000 per month when they went tits up ...

I still haven't recovered.

Yeah thats why you asked Lens if he backed up his recurrs. THe vaginal orgasm isnt a lie ..... you are!

[keyboard warrior]

Wonder is Lensman will let them advertise Here again?

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by Tat2Jr
If Lens does get it back I'm positive IBill will put a gag clause of some sort in the stipulation of getting it moved over. They would want that getting out while they're trying to hang onto the last few customers they've got.

I once got a 3rd party biller to do something very nice for me, and they made me promise not to tell anyone about.

I would assume Lensmans account is not small.

I think the damage has mostly been done.

It seems in the information age, they are not releasing someone elses information.

iBill.com will pay for this one.

I doubt they will get more new MAJOR accounts until they make a public statement that they will NOT STEAL the information beloning to others ..

it's so crystal it's crazy ...

They are NOT releasing so far - Lensman private information - and therefore have lost all new clients - I would assume - until they make a public statement otherwise.

No NATS - No Nuts
Lensman - has 'em both.

Why are you trusting who you are with?

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by GonZo
Yeah thats why you asked Lens if he backed up his recurrs. THe vaginal orgasm isnt a lie ..... you are!

Gonzo ...
no topic change - go solve your own bored [pun intended] problems ...

[GonZo]

Originally posted by sexeducation
Gonzo ...
no topic change - go solve your own bored [pun intended] problems ...

Awww Johnny are you that bored that we need to come visiting again so you can censor all the posts. Youve proven not only that your mentally unstable but that you havent a clue what a blog is...how pinned threads work .... that its a sponsor not a supplier and now that you dont even know what a rebill is.... because youve never had any. I guess youd need to be in the business to understand.

Got have 7 more PBRs while you wash your Ice Cream truck and your Chuck E Cheese uniform dries.

[Shoehorn!]

Originally posted by WarChild
Yes of course there was. It is a really complicated process though and it involves breaking in to Ibill's datacenter and stealing information. It's pretty much a Felony and since the A-team stopped answering ads in the newspaper a few years back, nobody ever attempts it.

[keyboard warrior]

Originally posted by GonZo

Got have 7 more PBRs while you wash your Ice Cream truck and your Chuck E Cheese uniform dries.

is that a pabst blue ribbon PBR's?

rotf

[Holly]

Originally posted by sexeducation
I would assume Lensmans account is not small.

I think the damage has mostly been done.

It seems in the information age, they are not releasing someone elses information.

iBill.com will pay for this one.

I doubt they will get more new MAJOR accounts until they make a public statement that they will NOT STEAL the information beloning to others ..

it's so crystal it's crazy ...

They are NOT releasing so far - Lensman private information - and therefore have lost all new clients - I would assume - until they make a public statement otherwise.

No NATS - No Nuts
Lensman - has 'em both.

Why are you trusting who you are with?