patent on pop-unders?

**SleazyDream** · 06-07-2002, 05:23 AM

they didn't invent it in 2000, but I hope they win and charge the fuck outa EVERYONE who uses them

**marty** · 06-07-2002, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
they didn't invent it in 2000, but I hope they win and charge the fuck outa EVERYONE who uses them

Yah... good luck charging for something that's being used on a million + sites.

It'll take them more manhours finding users than what they can gain financially.

**12clicks** · 06-07-2002, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
they didn't invent it in 2000, but I hope they win and charge the fuck outa EVERYONE who uses them

the keen intellect and cunning behind this statement................scary.

we can prove use back to 97. so can 1000 others. they won't get anywhere with it.

**jimmyf** · 06-07-2002, 05:37 AM

Yip and I invented mouse overs in 1998...

I also invented displaing java in your task bar in 1999.
I also invented clicking on a thumb and having it open
a larger picture.
You ass is grass SD.

12clicks is right this is kind of scary

**wiseoldone** · 06-07-2002, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
we can prove use back to 97. so can 1000 others. they won't get anywhere with it.

I doubt it. There is no way pop-unders were in use back in 1997. 12clicks, you CANNOT prove use of pop-unders back in 97 and neither can anybody else.

I think the first pop-unders were in use back in 1999. I challenge anybody to show proof that there was a single pop-under in use before 1999.

If anybody has any "proof" that they were using pop-unders before 1999, they should post it here, because otherwise the patent COULD issue. I don't think there is any such proof out there.

**Dawgy** · 06-07-2002, 08:53 AM

i invented gay porn.

**12clicks** · 06-07-2002, 08:55 AM

dude, I'm sure your a wiseoldone so why don't you take a ride on the wayback machine and check out the blur consoles in use then.

I love these guys who post without a clue.

**wiseoldone** · 06-07-2002, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
dude, I'm sure your a wiseoldone so why don't you take a ride on the wayback machine and check out the blur consoles in use then.

I love these guys who post without a clue.

12Clicks. $500 bucks if you can point me to an archive.org site that uses a blur consol that is a pop-under back in 1997. I was there. There were hardly even pop-ups. I can assure you that you can't find a single pop-under in 1997 or even in 1998.

THEY WEREN'T INVENTED YET.

**pornJester** · 06-07-2002, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by wiseoldone

12Clicks. $500 bucks if you can point me to an archive.org site that uses a blur consol that is a pop-under back in 1997. I was there. There were hardly even pop-ups. I can assure you that you can't find a single pop-under in 1997 or even in 1998.

THEY WEREN'T INVENTED YET.

them sound like some bettin words....

**Dawgy** · 06-07-2002, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by wiseoldone
12Clicks. $500 bucks if you can point me to an archive.org site that uses a blur consol that is a pop-under back in 1997. I was there. There were hardly even pop-ups. I can assure you that you can't find a single pop-under in 1997 or even in 1998.

THEY WEREN'T INVENTED YET.

hmmm... since when is archive.org the difinitive source of history of the web? if i have a file on my pc with a popunder, and its datestamp is 1997, then thats when i wrote it. fuck archive.org

HQ · 06-07-2002, 09:46 AM

http://www.archive.org/ proves popups existed beforehand. isn't it as simple as that?

**salsbury** · 06-07-2002, 09:49 AM

groups.google.com

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ja...bn.com&rnum=10

summary, a usenet post on december 11th, 1997 used blur to try to generate a popunder. of course, it was a porn site.

**wiseoldone** · 06-07-2002, 09:50 AM

G´lTSDi]Originally posted by Dawgy [/i]

hmmm... since when is archive.org the difinitive source of history of the web? if i have a file on my pc with a popunder, and its datestamp is 1997, then thats when i wrote it. fuck archive.org [/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter when you wrote it. The patent will issue unless you made public the fact that you had invented it. Them's the rules. You have to be able to prove that you released it to the public in early 1999 or before to stop the patent.

Originally posted by HQ
http://www.archive.org/ proves popups existed beforehand. isn't it as simple as that?

This patent is for pop-unders. Popups are irrelevant. Now, if someone claims a patent on the popup . . .

**FlyingIguana** · 06-07-2002, 10:04 AM

how can they prove they invented it for that matter?

its all bullshit

**12clicks** · 06-07-2002, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by wiseoldone

It doesn't matter when you wrote it. The patent will issue unless you made public the fact that you had invented it. Them's the rules. You have to be able to prove that you released it to the public in early 1999 or before to stop the patent.

This patent is for pop-unders. Popups are irrelevant. Now, if someone claims a patent on the popup . . .

dude, if you back pedal any faster you're going to hurt yourself.

first there were no blurs back then, now a popup that blurs isn't really a popbehind. hahaha. just sit on the porch when you don't know what you're talking about.

**wiseoldone** · 06-07-2002, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
dude, I'm sure your a wiseoldone so why don't you take a ride on the wayback machine and check out the blur consoles in use then.

I love these guys who post without a clue.

Well 12Clicks, it's been an hour since I challenged you. Still no luck?

I don't want to come down on you, but I think you should retract your statement about me posting without a clue. I know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by salsbury
groups.google.com

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ja...bn.com&rnum=10

summary, a usenet post on december 11th, 1997 used blur to try to generate a popunder. of course, it was a porn site.

If this is the best we can do, we are doomed. This code doesn't do anything. All it does is make a normal pop-up. There is nothing here to do a popunder. Test it out for yourselves.

I suggest that if we really want to blow out the patent, we have the big players put up a reward on Bountyquest.com . If there is anything that was in use, a $25,000 reward will bring it to light! If the patent issues, it could cost each big player hundreds of thousands of $$$ per year. We should try to stop it right now.

**FlyingIguana** · 06-07-2002, 10:24 AM

'A Web site operator of an adult site, for example, may have used pop-under advertising prior to 2000, but the technology may not have been documented. Someone would have to find reference to such a practice in an article or journal to undermine the patent claim. '

taken from the article. i know intergal had a blur console for webmasters to use in around 98. with archive.org i'm sure there is some documented use for pop unders. so someone should challenge this if they already haven't.

**FlyingIguana** · 06-07-2002, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by wiseoldone

If this is the best we can do, we are doomed. This code doesn't do anything. All it does is make a normal pop-up. There is nothing here to do a popunder. Test it out for yourselves.

I suggest that if we really want to blow out the patent, we have the big players put up a reward on Bountyquest.com . If there is anything that was in use, a $25,000 reward will bring it to light! If the patent issues, it could cost each big player hundreds of thousands of $$$ per year. We should try to stop it right now.

very good point

**wiseoldone** · 06-07-2002, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
i know intergal had a blur console for webmasters to use in around 98. with archive.org i'm sure there is some documented use for pop unders. so someone should challenge this if they already haven't.

Intergal started their popunder campaign in October 1999

http://web.archive.org/web/199910032.../intergal.com/

**Fletch XXX** · 06-07-2002, 11:17 AM

Bluuuuuuuuur Baby.

**FlyingIguana** · 06-07-2002, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by wiseoldone

Intergal started their popunder campaign in October 1999

http://web.archive.org/web/199910032.../intergal.com/

thought it was earlier than that. but thats documented proof it was used prior to 2000.

**wiseoldone** · 06-07-2002, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

thought it was earlier than that. but thats documented proof it was used prior to 2000.

Yes, that is good news. The problem is that they filed so that they can claim that they invented as early as mid-1999 and still get the patent. October might be early enough, but it might not be.

**codecrawler** · 06-07-2002, 12:22 PM

Pop up consoles were invented by Robin Nixon with ABC I believe in late 1996

Wether or not that included pop unders i do not know.

CC

**Due** · 06-07-2002, 12:57 PM

Fuck that. This is too easy

Goto AWI.
Go back to the beginning of the new board (1999)
Find a domain.
Goto Web.archive.org
enter domain
http://web.archive.org/web/199910130...pornrodeo.com/

What do I find:

Code:

window.open('http://www.pornrodeo.com/geisha/main.html','GEE','toolbar=-1,location=0,directories=0,status=1,menubar=1,scrollbars=1,resizable=1,copyhistory=1,target=_blank'); 
window.focus()

There is your popunder used back in 1999

**SleazyDream** · 06-07-2002, 01:32 PM

not that I love 12clicks or even like siding with him, but if you bet him in this case you'll loose and loose big time.

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