Reflected , Phil21, five-elements.com - SPAMERS?

[50 Cent]

So I went to http://www.spamhaus.org on the front page is top 10 June2004 spamers it looks like #5 is Phil Doroff aka Phil21 doesnt he own Reflected.net (the hosting company)?

Wow that is some nasty list to be on

[50 Cent]

it looks like all of Reflected IP's are blacklisted

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/listin...lements,%20Inc

[ronbotx]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
So I went to http://www.spamhaus.org on the front page is top 10 June2004 spamers it looks like #5 is Phil Doroff aka Phil21 doesnt he own Reflected.net (the hosting company)?

Wow that is some nasty list to be on

They only have one SBL listing , but Phil Doroff is one of the ten worst in the world. That means Reflected.net is light in the ethics department, and not a company I would choose to do business with. I don't know if Doroff is the owner of Reflected, but I'll try and find out.

WebAir is another MAJOR SPAMHAUS and big advertiser on GFY.
They currently have 21 SBL listings including ROKSO SPAMMERS Webfinity/Dynamic Pipe who are partners with Python Video/Dollar Machine/GlobalMediaResources.

Check it out: http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/listings...isp=webair.com

Sadly many GFY webmasters are criminals, spammers, dirtbags, and lowlifes themselves, so they have no problems doing business with sleazy SPAMMING hosts like Webair and Reflected.

[ronbotx]

50 Cent:

You appear to be correct....

http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL14923

66.254.96.0/20 is listed on the Register Of Known Spam Operations (ROKSO) database as being assigned to, under the control of, or providing service to a known professional spam operation run by Phil Doroff / Five Elements, Inc.

twins.five-elements.com ; twins.reflected.net

"Phil Doroff
Reflected Networks
[email protected]


OrgName: Reflected Networks
OrgID: REFLE-2
Address: 6363 South Pecos Road
Address: Suite 209
City: Las Vegas"

Looks like a ROKSO spammer is either running or directly connected with Reflected Networks....

Pathetic.......


Yipes.... really vile bunch

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=re...sa=G&scoring=d

[Phil21]

I won't reply too much in depth.

But to be straight to the point, Spamhaus is on crack. They've ignored facts for many many months now, and have refused to try to validate anything I've presented to them.

I have never tried to hide my past. I used to be involved with a company called "Five Elements". Under my control, this company signed a contract with a client who had a serious spam problem. This was a mistake, and I regret it. However, half of the allegations on Spamhaus are 100% false. If I was ever even remotely involved in half of the things they said I was, I would be much better off financially to say the least. Folks that know me personally know my views on spam, and what I will and will not tolerate as far as ethics go. I've been rather upset over some of the claims on spamhaus for a while. Also you may note providing connectivity to a spammer is not the same as actually being the one sending the spam. I have never once sent a single spam e-mail in my life. However, as previously stated I have aided and abeted.

So, before anyone thinks that they can "blackmail" me by holding a SBL/ROKSO entry over my head.

#1. I have hosted spammers in the past w/ a previous company. This is no secret, and I have NEVER *ONCE* tried to hide this fact. I was up front and open with anyone who asked.

#2. I left Five Elements entirely over a year ago, with the sole attachment being a personal server that was co-located there until maybe 7 or 8 months ago.

#3. My involvement with Reflected was due to being pushed too far past my ethics limit w/ the other company due to contracts I was under. The only choice was to lose considerable personal investment and leave the company wholesale.

#4. By "walking away", I personally lost pretty much my entire life savings. Did I deserve this? You bet. However, I also never made a dime off of "spam support". It was a slippery slope I wish I never stepped foot off of. However, I cannot go back in time.

#5. Under partly my direction, Reflected has NEVER ONCE hosted any type of spammer. We have immediately acted on any and all spam complaints, and refused service to many "big names" in the industry due to researching on how much affiliate spam we'd be taking in. In fact, we rarely if ever take on "opt in" marketers just out of respect for current clients in case one goes rogue.

I would say between ourselves, and one or perhaps two other adult hosting providers we operate one of the cleanest adult networks around. Keeping spam free has been a serious impedement in the adult industry due to the nature of the business, but also worth it in the long term.

Show me a spam problem on Reflected. You simply will not. Why would a RBL list Reflected if there is not a spam problem? It's called a personal vendetta against myself, simply trying to use my past against me following me around to any company I go on to work with.

Make your own judgement calls. If you feel that I'm a dirtbag and don't deserve to live, so be it. However, I let my actions speak louder than words.

I'm sure this will end up plastered all over the place. I have a nice little army of stalkers.

-Phil

[hydro]

spamhaus is gay like that. They will ignore you and think that anybody who sends an email with a link in it is a spammer. But its funny how a few thousand $ will make them look the other way. Same with spamcop. In the end they just want bribes.

[ytcracker]

its just a form of corporate extortion.

phil is a 100% standup guy - i was SBLed for being affable to the spam cause because of my humorous songs. they don't understand the meaning of satire and have refused to delist my personal website and bundle it in as if i had mass mailed off of my own personal domain.

spamhaus and spamcop are fucking faggots, to say the least.

[hydro]

Originally posted by ytcracker
its just a form of corporate extortion.

phil is a 100% standup guy - i was SBLed for being affable to the spam cause because of my humorous songs. they don't understand the meaning of satire and have refused to delist my personal website and bundle it in as if i had mass mailed off of my own personal domain.

spamhaus and spamcop are fucking faggots, to say the least.

yea thats some gay shit they do. Whats funny is everybody is supporting them. If they get thier way. They will be controlling a very big chunk of emails that arent sent.

[Magg]

Even though I'm with another hosting company -


I do agree Spamhaus is out of their gorge... I really dont believe Phil would allow spamming out of Reflected, and I am not a bit surprised that Spamhaus would try to do this out of a personal vendetta against Phil.


Reflected is good people... screw spamhaus and spamcop.



(waits for our IPs to be listed)

[ytcracker]

Originally posted by Magg
(waits for our IPs to be listed)

the humorous duality of this statement is that it is both funny and possibly true

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by Magg
Even though I'm with another hosting company -


I do agree Spamhaus is out of their gorge... I really dont believe Phil would allow spamming out of Reflected, and I am not a bit surprised that Spamhaus would try to do this out of a personal vendetta against Phil.


Reflected is good people... screw spamhaus and spamcop.



(waits for our IPs to be listed)

No one said Phil allows spamming out of Reflected. He is the owner of Reflected and he is the #5 spammer according to Spamhaus. Actualy he is pretty smart not allowing anyone else to spam from his network why fuck with his income just think about it 1000 signups a day x $30 = $ LOTS OF CASH why jepordize it???

He is a smart spammer. Unfortunately he fucked around and got ALL Reflected IPS blacklisted and that sucks because now his clients have to pay the price for his spamming projects. Vendetta or not Reflected customers are paying for it.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
ALL Reflected IPS blacklisted and that sucks

lol blacklisted from where!? If a client doesnt spam. why would he care!?

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
No one said Phil allows spamming out of Reflected. He is the owner of Reflected and he is the #5 spammer according to Spamhaus. Actualy he is pretty smart not allowing anyone else to spam from his network why fuck with his income just think about it 1000 signups a day x $30 = $ LOTS OF CASH why jepordize it???

He is a smart spammer. Unfortunately he fucked around and got ALL Reflected IPS blacklisted and that sucks because now his clients have to pay the price for his spamming projects. Vendetta or not Reflected customers are paying for it.

Phil has never spammed before. He hosted spammers a long time ago but isn't even associated with Five-Elements. Look it up at the secretary of state. He didn't 'get' Reflected's IPs listed. Spamhaus listed them because they are hypocritical and are more concerned with personal disputes than their supposed goal of keeping the internet free of spam.

They are directly hampering the business of many, many legitimate dedicated access customers (our hosting customers are not really affected by this) PURELY because of personal malice (which is completely unjustified by the way, considering Phil doesn't control any spam at all). Reflected has never spammed and no spam originates from Reflected IPs.

What, exactly, is the point of blacklisting Reflected IPs since there is no spam coming from them?

[Theo]

Spamhaus sucks cock and what was the other stupid listing site? They had my partner there because some of our server IPs belonged in the past to ScottPB and they were refusing to remove us.

[Magg]

The point of the RBL's is to provide a fair environment for all users....


BLACK LISTING SOMEONE BASED ON A VENDETTA IS NOT FAIR.

Why should Reflected suffer for something associated with ANOTHER company, YEARS ago?
Following someone around and doing this to them is total bullshit, and if I was reflected I would already have 10 fucking lawyers each with a cease and decist in the mail 20 minutes after they were listed.


Screw spamhaus and spamcop.

[ytcracker]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
He is a smart spammer. Unfortunately he fucked around and got ALL Reflected IPS blacklisted and that sucks because now his clients have to pay the price for his spamming projects. Vendetta or not Reflected customers are paying for it.

*yawn*

what do you have against reflected? even though the allegations are entirely unfounded, why is there any reason to sling mud at phil or the company?

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Spamhaus sucks cock and what was the other stupid listing site? They had my partner there because some of our server IPs belonged in the past to ScottPB and they were refusing to remove us.

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by ytcracker
*yawn*

what do you have against reflected? even though the allegations are entirely unfounded, why is there any reason to sling mud at phil or the company?

I have nothing against reflected, I don't like being told bullshit stories, this is a discussion board I am doing just that discussing a subject which is important to all webmasters.

Look if it is bullshit then you get lawyers involved and sue spamhaus and other for slander. If it is true don't fucking deny it - just work on fixing it. If my name was on the front page of spamhaus I would be concerned. And If I am having problems getting emails from one of the reflected customers, who btw wishes to remain anonymous, because of this that also concern me as well.

[psyko514]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
I have nothing against reflected, I don't like being told bullshit stories, this is a discussion board I am doing just that discussing a subject which is important to all webmasters.

Look if it is bullshit then you get lawyers involved and sue spamhaus and other for slander. If it is true don't fucking deny it - just work on fixing it. If my name was on the front page of spamhaus I would be concerned. And If I am having problems getting emails from one of the reflected customers, who btw wishes to remain anonymous, because of this that also concern me as well.

How about you reveal your true identity so you can be sued for slander?

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
I have nothing against reflected, I don't like being told bullshit stories, this is a discussion board I am doing just that discussing a subject which is important to all webmasters.

Look if it is bullshit then you get lawyers involved and sue spamhaus and other for slander. If it is true don't fucking deny it - just work on fixing it. If my name was on the front page of spamhaus I would be concerned. And If I am having problems getting emails from one of the reflected customers, who btw wishes to remain anonymous, because of this that also concern me as well.

Since you are taking up for them, please just tell me why Spamhaus would list the netblock of a legitimate ISP/hosting company who has never endorsed or participated in spam and from whose IPs no serious spam has ever even originated if not for a personal Vendetta?

Spamhaus will not even respond to our emails.

[MrJackMeHoff]

Originally posted by psyko514
How about you reveal your true identity so you can be sued for slander?

Its only slander if its not true. And at least most of it about being a lame host is true. hehe

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by MrJackMeHoff
Its only slander if its not true. And at least most of it about being a lame host is true. hehe

what constitutes a lame host?

and the point is reflected has never spammed or hosted spammers..

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
Since you are taking up for them, please just tell me why Spamhaus would list the netblock of a legitimate ISP/hosting company who has never endorsed or participated in spam and from whose IPs no serious spam has ever even originated if not for a personal Vendetta?

Spamhaus will not even respond to our emails. I wonder why that might be.

Wether it is a personal Vendetta or not it's still hurting your company and your customers.

Do something about it. Get a lawyer and contact them officialy not by email.

[johnbosh]

hmmz people get busted

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by johnbosh
hmmz people get busted

So true

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
So true

You should admit that Reflected doesn't spam unless you can produce actual spam complaints that were not handled.

Everyone had suspicions that Spam Haus was bogus and now those are just confirmed by them listing a legitimate company.

[psyko514]

Originally posted by johnbosh
hmmz people get busted

learn english and then re-read the thread.

[sixxxth_sense]

Originally posted by Phil21
But to be straight to the point, Spamhaus is on crack.

exactly just use REVERSE-PSYCHOLOGY!!!!




fucking crackheadssss

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
You should admit that Reflected doesn't spam unless you can produce actual spam complaints that were not handled.

Everyone had suspicions that Spam Haus was bogus and now those are just confirmed by them listing a legitimate company.

Here is what you asked for
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=re...sa=G&scoring=d

I gave it to you before, and it is not only spamhaus its most major anti-spam organizations.

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
Here is what you asked for
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=re...sa=G&scoring=d

I gave it to you before, and it is not only spamhaus its most major anti-spam organizations.

i'm going thru these complaints and they look like either a) hot linked images or b) customers who have been shut off... what's your point?

[Blondie23]

Originally posted by johnbosh
hmmz people get busted

lol wrong.. some moron who needs to attack the real offenders instead of a company who is clearly doing a good job.



reflected.net

[frankfortuna]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
Here is what you asked for
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=re...sa=G&scoring=d

I gave it to you before, and it is not only spamhaus its most major anti-spam organizations.

Good grief, a whole 48 "listings". We all know how credible NANAE psycho's are. Give it a rest.

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
i'm going thru these complaints and they look like either a) hot linked images or b) customers who have been shut off... what's your point?

You have asked me for it and I gave it to you.

Just because you changed the name of the company from five-elements to reflected doesn't mean that no one will discover the people behind the operations.

[50 Cent]

Originally posted by ronbotx
They only have one SBL listing , but Phil Doroff is one of the ten worst in the world. That means Reflected.net is light in the ethics department, and not a company I would choose to do business with. I don't know if Doroff is the owner of Reflected, but I'll try and find out.

WebAir is another MAJOR SPAMHAUS and big advertiser on GFY.
They currently have 21 SBL listings including ROKSO SPAMMERS Webfinity/Dynamic Pipe who are partners with Python Video/Dollar Machine/GlobalMediaResources.

Check it out: http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/listings...isp=webair.com

Sadly many GFY webmasters are criminals, spammers, dirtbags, and lowlifes themselves, so they have no problems doing business with sleazy SPAMMING hosts like Webair and Reflected.

I agree with you 100%

[Donnie Gangsta]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
I agree with you 100%

I guess you're not really going to make any valid points or acknowledge that the spam listed on google groops comes from either hotlinkers or terminated customers (anyone can go to the URLs and see so).. the saying goes 'a man proven against his will is of the same position still'... guess that's you.

I need to go and do some work tonight..

I would like to say, thanks to all our loyal clients who are messaging me and providing your continued support.

Reflected is going from strength to strength and we're all very excited about its continual and steady growth. Over the next few months we plan on expanding greatly and are currently offering some very good specials..

For those who are coming out to the party this weekend.. look forward to seeing you! (Everyone is invited -- it is at the V-Bar at the Venetian in Vegas at 9pm on Saturday night).

Otherwise, we'll see you all at our booth in Miami.. (we have some really cool promotions lined up for you guys, can't say anymore but hopefully they'll be enjoyable)..


Donnie G

www.reflected.net

[IPK]

SpamHaus.org has been wrong in the past and I'm sure they'll continue to make mistakes in the future. Spammers hide. That's the bottom line.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by Phil21


Show me a spam problem on Reflected. You simply will not. Why would a RBL list Reflected if there is not a spam problem?

It's called a personal vendetta against myself, simply trying to use my past against me following me around to any company I go on to work with.

-Phil

So why not sue them and tell it to a judge (really).

I hate those hardcore anti-spam guys as much as I hate the hardcore spammers.

BlarsBL comes to mind... a quote from his site: "If you would like a site be added or removed from BlarsBL, you may hire Blars at his normal consulting rates (currently $250/hour, 2 hour minimum, $1000 deposit due in advance for non-established customers) to investigate your evidence about the site. If it is found that the entry was a mistake, no charge will be made and the entire deposit will be refunded."

What a joke.

[David - PG]

Originally posted by ronbotx
Sadly many GFY webmasters are criminals, spammers, dirtbags, and lowlifes themselves, so they have no problems doing business with sleazy SPAMMING hosts like Webair and Reflected.

Amen, now let's all go back to work money doesn't sleep.

[brand0n]

Originally posted by 50 Cent
I have nothing against reflected, I don't like being told bullshit stories, this is a discussion board I am doing just that discussing a subject which is important to all webmasters.

Look if it is bullshit then you get lawyers involved and sue spamhaus and other for slander. If it is true don't fucking deny it - just work on fixing it. If my name was on the front page of spamhaus I would be concerned. And If I am having problems getting emails from one of the reflected customers, who btw wishes to remain anonymous, because of this that also concern me as well.

slander is spoken, libel is the word you are looking for

[badmrfrosty]

The Company I work for has been doing dedicated server hosting for 11 years now. We were one of the first. We had a user with a dedicated server who has been gone for over 9 years, and we still have a CIDR on our network blocked by the NANAE zealots because of him. Its amazing the lengths these losers with no lives will go to fuck with people. They post pictures of their houses, kids, phone numbers on the web.

I used to have a guy who had a rack of colocation servers in our datacenter, total Anti Spam zealot, I had to kick him out of our facility because he was posting 'spammers' personal info on a bunch of websites and encouraging others to do bodily harm to him and his family.

I dont know which people are worse, the spammers or the antispammers.

BMF