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These guys are in TOP 5 world spamers in June 2004 they are blacklisted
That is complete bullshit. Reflected does not spam nor allow people to spam. The Spam Haus SBL listing just proves what kind of organization they must be to list companies without any substantiated proof. Show me a spam complaint coming from Reflected IP space where the site is still active.
These guys are in TOP 5 world spamers in June 2004 they are blacklisted
Reflected has millions of dollars of equipment, is in the best data center in the world, around the clock customer service with 24/7 staffed support in the datacenter (NOT remote hands but real employees), several PoPs on a network we built ourselves, hundreds of hosting customers, and a large number of dedicated access customers. Do you think Reflected would jeapordize our entire business by spamming?
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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta Reflected has millions of dollars of equipment, is in the best data center in the world, around the clock customer service with 24/7 staffed support in the datacenter (NOT remote hands but real employees), several PoPs on a network we built ourselves, hundreds of hosting customers, and a large number of dedicated access customers. Do you think Reflected would jeapordize our entire business by spamming?
You might not spam, but you might have clients that do (every host does... there's no way around it.)
Now, spamhaus is one of the worst RBLs out there, and they aren't the quickest to un-blacklist you if you're not a spammer.... one of the companies I worked for previously ran in to this problem before. Of course, they were blocked because their mail server was an open relay.......
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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta Reflected has millions of dollars of equipment, is in the best data center in the world, around the clock customer service with 24/7 staffed support in the datacenter (NOT remote hands but real employees), several PoPs on a network we built ourselves, hundreds of hosting customers, and a large number of dedicated access customers. Do you think Reflected would jeapordize our entire business by spamming?
Let me get this straight you have "millions of dollars of equipment" used to spam, so that makes your outfit a sophisticated spammer. OK
Personally I hate spam, I hate having thousands of fucking nasty emails in my inbox because of cocksmockers like yourself, but you didn't get away clean this time all of Reflected IPS are blacklisted now to answer your question if I think you would jeopardize your entire hosting business by spamming ... every man has its price and honestly selling 399 servers isn't as profitable as thousand signups per day.
Originally posted by 50 Cent Let me get this straight you have "millions of dollars of equipment" used to spam, so that makes your outfit a sophisticated spammer. OK
Personally I hate spam, I hate having thousands of fucking nasty emails in my inbox because of cocksmockers like yourself, but you didn't get away clean this time all of Reflected IPS are blacklisted now to answer your question if I think you would jeopardize your entire hosting business by spamming ... every man has its price and honestly selling 399 servers isn't as profitable as thousand signups per day.
I asked you to show me a customer on Reflected IP space that has spammed that is still a customer. How much spam comes from Reflected? There is none whatsoever. Any spam complaints we may have received are a result of customers who have been SHUT OFF who were spamming. We turn down business DAILY from people wanting to buy servers to spam.
Why can't you show me some spam coming from or to a Reflected IP? Because there is none.
Originally posted by 50 Cent Let me get this straight you have "millions of dollars of equipment" used to spam, so that makes your outfit a sophisticated spammer. OK
Personally I hate spam, I hate having thousands of fucking nasty emails in my inbox because of cocksmockers like yourself, but you didn't get away clean this time all of Reflected IPS are blacklisted now to answer your question if I think you would jeopardize your entire hosting business by spamming ... every man has its price and honestly selling 399 servers isn't as profitable as thousand signups per day.
Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta I asked you to show me a customer on Reflected IP space that has spammed that is still a customer. How much spam comes from Reflected? There is none whatsoever. Any spam complaints we may have received are a result of customers who have been SHUT OFF who were spamming. We turn down business DAILY from people wanting to buy servers to spam.
Why can't you show me some spam coming from or to a Reflected IP? Because there is none.
I told you go read spamhaus.org and gave you a link ... then again why would you need it You and Phil21 have been spamming for years from what I can tell from these reports
Originally posted by 50 Cent I told you go read spamhaus.org and gave you a link ... then again why would you need it You and Phil21 have been spamming for years from what I can tell from these reports
So basically what you're saying is you don't have any complaints regarding Reflected and/or spam that was associated with Reflected IP space right?
Spamhaus must not either since there are none posted there... wonder why?
Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta So basically what you're saying is you don't have any complaints regarding Reflected and/or spam that was associated with Reflected IP space right?
Spamhaus must not either since there are none posted there... wonder why?
66.254.96.0/20 is listed on the Register Of Known Spam Operations (ROKSO) database as being assigned to, under the control of, or providing service to a known professional spam operation run by Phil Doroff / Five Elements, Inc.
66.254.96.0/20 is listed on the Register Of Known Spam Operations (ROKSO) database as being assigned to, under the control of, or providing service to a known professional spam operation run by Phil Doroff / Five Elements, Inc.
OrgName: Reflected Networks
OrgID: REFLE-2
Address: 6363 South Pecos Road
Address: Suite 209
City: Las Vegas"
Looks like a ROKSO spammer is either running or directly connected with Reflected Networks....
No, Phil Doroff is not a spammer. Phil was perfectly up front in the post in your thread trying to start trouble.
The point is Reflected Networks is its own legal entity and does not spam. ISPs should be listed in Spamhaus if their IPs are a source of spam.
Reflected Networks is not a source of spam.
Any customers listed in your usenet search who were hosted by Reflected have been terminated as you would probably see if you actually read through the posts.
Spamhaus says "However, like any system used to filter email, the SBL has the potential to block items of legitimate email if for example they are sent from an IP under the control of a spammer or via IPs belonging to a Spam Service. The chances of any legitimate email coming from such IPs are very slim, but need to be acknowledged."
They are hampering hundreds of legitimate businesses, including corporate and non-adult clients such as office T1 customers from transacting their business properly by listing Reflected, which again, is the source of absolutely zero spam.
Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta No, Phil Doroff is not a spammer. Phil was perfectly up front in the post in your thread trying to start trouble.
The point is Reflected Networks is its own legal entity and does not spam. ISPs should be listed in Spamhaus if their IPs are a source of spam.
Reflected Networks is not a source of spam.
Any customers listed in your usenet search who were hosted by Reflected have been terminated as you would probably see if you actually read through the posts.
Spamhaus says "However, like any system used to filter email, the SBL has the potential to block items of legitimate email if for example they are sent from an IP under the control of a spammer or via IPs belonging to a Spam Service. The chances of any legitimate email coming from such IPs are very slim, but need to be acknowledged."
They are hampering hundreds of legitimate businesses, including corporate and non-adult clients such as office T1 customers from transacting their business properly by listing Reflected, which again, is the source of absolutely zero spam.
1. Phil already admited in the other thread that he did spam.
2.Wether reflected is a source of spam or not it's ips are blacklisted
3. Your job as his partner is try to hide the truth and make quietly go away, but I am not the source of your problems, I am just discussing what I read on google and spamhaus.
4. I fucking hate spam with passion that is my motive for this thread and not to start trouble.
2.Wether reflected is a source of spam or not it's ips are blacklisted
So unjustly listing a providers IPs is "OK" in your book?
Affecting customers who use that provider ultimately...
Thats like saying "Hey, you were once a troubled teenager, youre 35 now, but hey... we're taking your license away because at one point in your life you were a teenager."
Yes, that sounds stupid, but its just as stupid as what spamhaus did.
Originally posted by 50 Cent 1. Phil already admited in the other thread that he did spam.
2.Wether reflected is a source of spam or not it's ips are blacklisted
3. Your job as his partner is try to hide the truth and make quietly go away, but I am not the source of your problems, I am just discussing what I read on google and spamhaus.
4. I fucking hate spam with passion that is my motive for this thread and not to start trouble.
#1. I have hosted spammers in the past w/ a previous company. This is no secret, and I have NEVER *ONCE* tried to hide this fact. I was up front and open with anyone who asked."
Phil never said spammed. That's what he said. I am not trying to hide anything. My point is that Reflected does not spam or host spammers.
Originally posted by 50 Cent 1. Phil already admited in the other thread that he did spam.
2.Wether reflected is a source of spam or not it's ips are blacklisted
3. Your job as his partner is try to hide the truth and make quietly go away, but I am not the source of your problems, I am just discussing what I read on google and spamhaus.
4. I fucking hate spam with passion that is my motive for this thread and not to start trouble.
you hate spammers as much as i hate whistle blowers with no real cause!
i dislike spam as much as the next guy, but if i was going to go on an anti-spam crusade, i would target the real offenders. not a great company who provides a great service to many people.
If reflected.net is your biggest gripe now.. you have serious issues
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