Cascading Billing Script - What is available?

[HS-Trixxxia]

Hi everyone,

Other than MPA2/3 what other options do we have for Cascading billing scripts?

[TMM_John]

http://nats.toomuchmedia.com

Hands down the most configurable and solidly supported affiliate software out there.

(I'm biased, but it's true!)

[Giorgio_Xo]

Monolith
NATS
Traffica
Xscripts
Quickbuck
MPA3
TrueStats
RSClickThru

[jact]

http://x3scripts.com/partnerprogram.html?

The stats reporting is lacking IMO, but I've heard it's very solid.

[HS-Trixxxia]

Geez---I knew they wouldn't be optimized for google and should have come here from the start! Thanks guys/gals I'm checking them out now!!

[doober]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
http://nats.toomuchmedia.com

Hands down the most configurable and solidly supported affiliate software out there.

(I'm biased, but it's true!)

does nats also have a content management module for multiple sites?


also how much is the purchase price?
I see 1250$ setup and 650$ a month lease or 1500$ outright to buy it.
Is this correct?

Thanks for the info

[Dax]

Jettis will soon start offering cascade billing for all of its' members...

[taboo_dude]

http://wetrack.it/cascading/admin

password test

go to options and then cascading.

Trixxxia this is our older software, our new software coming out will have this option included in it as well.

http://www.trackingsoft.com/newroia.pdf

If you want to try it out we can set you up an account for free.

[SomeCreep]

Originally posted by Dax
Jettis will soon start offering cascade billing for all of its' members...

Really, do you have a link with more info? I always thought it would be awesome if IPSP's offered cascade billing options. I assumed they didnt because it probably wouldnt be in their best interest to do so.

[KidCock]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
http://nats.toomuchmedia.com

Hands down the most configurable and solidly supported affiliate software out there.

(I'm biased, but it's true!)

You might wanna update your PBucks site....just a thought

Our Co-Brand Live system will offer you an unprecidented way to develop and deploy your own dating sites. The system is currently still under development and is planned to be released mid to late May, 2004.

1) We're almost JUly 2004.
2) It's "unprecedented".

Your welcome

[TMM_John]

Originally posted by KidCock
You might wanna update your PBucks site....just a thought

Our Co-Brand Live system will offer you an unprecidented way to develop and deploy your own dating sites. The system is currently still under development and is planned to be released mid to late May, 2004.

1) We're almost JUly 2004.
2) It's "unprecedented".

Your welcome

1. Delays suck, as I'm sure you know.
2. It's "you're".

Updating it now

[KidCock]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
1. Delays suck, as I'm sure you know.
2. It's "you're".

Updating it now

1) Delays on getting the co-branding out, sure I understand. However shouldn't forget the text

2) Touche. hehe

[HS-Trixxxia]

Do I really need all the bells & whistles? All I want is for an affiliate to refer through one number & get paid for whichever biller the surfer gets processed from (payments coming from either CCBill or Ibill. Basically just track from start to finish. Maybe I'm off the wall but a monthly recurring charge or surplus charges based on hits seems expensive.

Anybody using the ones mentioned above? How happy are you with them? & how happy are your affiliates with it?


What does a programmer charge for something simple?


Thanks for all the responses.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
http://nats.toomuchmedia.com

Hands down the most configurable and solidly supported affiliate software out there.

(I'm biased, but it's true!)

NATS is awesome. I use it and it rocks. I HIGHLY recomend it.
Duke

[HS-Trixxxia]

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
NATS is awesome. I use it and it rocks. I HIGHLY recomend it.
Duke

How big is your program? I doubt it's within the reach of small programs, right?

[justsexxx]

The disadvantage of most cascading systems is that you have to send the checks yourself(to your affiliates)

Any ready to buy packages/software that keeps all "the stuff"at the processors? Like escortbiz has with Tushycash?

Andre

[HS-Trixxxia]

Originally posted by justsexxx
The disadvantage of most cascading systems is that you have to send the checks yourself(to your affiliates)

Any ready to buy packages/software that keeps all "the stuff"at the processors? Like escortbiz has with Tushycash?

Andre

Andre, I don't want to take care of making the payments - let the processors do it - thought I saw one that was allowing the processors to continue making the payments. (just out of my cost range though)

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by Trixxxia
Andre, I don't want to take care of making the payments - let the processors do it - thought I saw one that was allowing the processors to continue making the payments. (just out of my cost range though)

Yeah I have the same, let the processors do the payments I will look through the list to see what system offers this.(and of course look at their price)

Andre

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by Trixxxia
Andre, I don't want to take care of making the payments - let the processors do it - thought I saw one that was allowing the processors to continue making the payments. (just out of my cost range though)

Any idea what that one was? I googled, but I could not find

TrueStats
RSClickThru
Traffica..

It's proberly one of those no?

Andre

[HS-Trixxxia]

Originally posted by justsexxx
Yeah I have the same, let the processors do the payments I will look through the list to see what system offers this.(and of course look at their price)

Andre

Are you using something right now?

I actually had a coder give me an quote based on a bunch of my needs & cool additions - (at the time we were supposed to have partners). Maybe if there are a few of us, he can make it a little more interesting for us.

Gotta find the quote.

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by Trixxxia
Are you using something right now?

I actually had a coder give me an quote based on a bunch of my needs & cool additions - (at the time we were supposed to have partners). Maybe if there are a few of us, he can make it a little more interesting for us.

Gotta find the quote.

Hi,

Well advantage of a product that is already there, is that it is faster to install. I mean you don't need to tweak, beta test, test again etc. It has to be damn stable to handle a lot of traffic. A product that proved his stability is a plus then.

Andre

[SABAI]

what we, the small programs webmasters, need is just a script wich will subscribe every partner who signups to all our billers , then cascade the affiliates traffic thru the billers , then the billers take care of issuing checks to the affiliates . in the members area the affiliates should be able to see their traffic stats and see with wich billers they made sales ( they can have links to their accounts if they want to check directly)


it is not complicated to code i think , and i'm sick and tired of all these companies proposing scripts with too much useless glitter for prices ranging from 1200 to 7600$, what a bunch of crooks.

a script like i described above should cost no more than 350-400$.

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by SABAI
what we, the small programs webmasters, need is just a script wich will subscribe every partner who signups to all our billers , then cascade the affiliates traffic thru the billers , then the billers take care of issuing checks to the affiliates . in the members area the affiliates should be able to see their traffic stats and see with wich billers they made sales ( they can have links to their accounts if they want to check directly)


it is not complicated to code i think , and i'm sick and tired of all these companies proposing scripts with too much useless glitter for prices ranging from 1200 to 7600$, what a bunch of crooks.

a script like i described above should cost no more than 350-400$.

Sorry but a good script could me more then 400 USD Anyway when someone has a link for me to such software, I will give him/her a kiss

Andre

[SABAI]

its doable , its just that these companies think that all webmasters can cash out loads of money so they inflate the prices , its like tgp scripts some are proposing tgp scripts costing 800$ and some propose scripts at 80$ that are twice as good .

[HS-Trixxxia]

Originally posted by justsexxx
Any idea what that one was? I googled, but I could not find

TrueStats
RSClickThru
Traffica..

It's proberly one of those no?

Andre

Meant to ask Giorgio_xo the same thing....couldn't find them either :-)


As for the price - maybe a little more than 300-400$ but not much more - in fact, I think there's more of a market for this than there is for the 7k ones.......how many small website owners are waiting & hoping for such a script??? If there is a monthly recurring charge that's understandable but some are ridiculous. Charging based on clicks (or surplus charging based on clicks) shouldn't be a factor - since between trades & unproductive traffic, it could cost well more than what it brings in!

[Major (Tom)]

Originally posted by Trixxxia
How big is your program? I doubt it's within the reach of small programs, right?

Actually, my program isnt even "officially" open. We only started allowing webmasters to sign up to it a few months ago. We arent going to offically announce it until our next site is added. But we are growing at almost 35% a month and I would say that nats is largely responsible for that. Nats is perfect for an affiliate program of ANY size.
icq me 161350410 if you have any questions.
Cheers
Duke

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
Actually, my program isnt even "officially" open. We only started allowing webmasters to sign up to it a few months ago. We arent going to offically announce it until our next site is added. But we are growing at almost 35% a month and I would say that nats is largely responsible for that. Nats is perfect for an affiliate program of ANY size.
icq me 161350410 if you have any questions.
Cheers
Duke

DOes NATS allow the processors to send the checks or do you have to cut the checks yourself?

Andre

[undermyspell]

If you're concerned about cost and quality at the same time definitely talk to the folks over at TabooRevenue.

Taboo Dude posted this link: http://www.trackingsoft.com/newroia.pdf

The page may be a bit intimidating but if you'll hit one of the ladies up on ICQ or Email they are fantastic to work with and also promote the hell out of your program for you. So you actually get marketing services wrapped into that deal. It's affordable enough that a very very small operation can use them successfully.

[taboo_dude]

Originally posted by undermyspell
If you're concerned about cost and quality at the same time definitely talk to the folks over at TabooRevenue.

Taboo Dude posted this link: http://www.trackingsoft.com/newroia.pdf

The page may be a bit intimidating but if you'll hit one of the ladies up on ICQ or Email they are fantastic to work with and also promote the hell out of your program for you. So you actually get marketing services wrapped into that deal. It's affordable enough that a very very small operation can use them successfully.

Thanks for the nice words undermyspell,

Trixxxia, the fact of the matter is we have been selling affiliate software solutions longer than anybody listed on this page. We started back in 97 and have serviced 1000 of websites, with over 200 clients currently in the mainstream, over 20 in the adult market, ranging from 0 dollars in sales a month to over 2 million a month per program.

Not tooting my my horn, (well maybe I am) but you will not find anyone more experienced in these type of solutions, especially here.

We may be new to the adult community but we are veterans in the mainstream.

If you need anything, hit one of our ladies up on ICQ, they will help you in any way they can.

Good luck with your program

BTW, here was our mainstream site back in 98
http://web.archive.org/web/199902211...com/index4.htm

Being able to write a script and having over 7 years experience in the field is a little different. We know how cheaters cheat, we know what works and what doesn't.

Again good luck

[Dax]

Originally posted by SomeCreep
Really, do you have a link with more info? I always thought it would be awesome if IPSP's offered cascade billing options. I assumed they didnt because it probably wouldnt be in their best interest to do so.

I found it in the webmasters area... It seems to be in beta and right now they only have ccbill on the cascade. I don't think isps lose anything, if they don't accept that person's card, then that person is done for them they can't make no money off of him, so why not send it to someone who may make money off of him?

[emmanuelle]

Originally posted by SABAI

a script like i described above should cost no more than 350-400$.

While I wont pay $13k for a script that may cause me grief down the road, (think mpa2); I do think that script writers deserve to be fairly compensated. $350 is likely going to insult them.

[aiken]

We use NATS, and I couldn't be happier with it. They're great people, the rollout was painless even with a bunch of customizations, and even as good as the software is, there are new improvements and features every time I turn around.

Cheers
-b

[SABAI]

NATS looks very good and i'm really eager to buy it , but my prog is just started and i think its way overpriced , why don't companies understand that if the price is right they will sell more , even if they have to bill the support , i mean most people never use support anyway

[Nathan]

Originally posted by doober
does nats also have a content management module for multiple sites?


also how much is the purchase price?
I see 1250$ setup and 650$ a month lease or 1500$ outright to buy it.
Is this correct?

Thanks for the info

Hi doober,

We do offer a CMS Module.

You got something wrong with the prices though:
Setup for lease customers is $1250, setup for outright-buy customers is $1500. The lease price per month is $650, for a quote for you if you want to buy it outright, contact me on ICQ (1889711) or AIM (fthylmann)

[Nathan]

Originally posted by SABAI
what we, the small programs webmasters, need is just a script wich will subscribe every partner who signups to all our billers , then cascade the affiliates traffic thru the billers , then the billers take care of issuing checks to the affiliates . in the members area the affiliates should be able to see their traffic stats and see with wich billers they made sales ( they can have links to their accounts if they want to check directly)


it is not complicated to code i think , and i'm sick and tired of all these companies proposing scripts with too much useless glitter for prices ranging from 1200 to 7600$, what a bunch of crooks.

a script like i described above should cost no more than 350-400$.

My oppinion might be biased, but I think a little different on this issue.

Good affiliate software, like NATS, is much more than just a "cascading" system with a few stats. The point of such a system is to offer the owner ANYTHING he might need to GROW his program to your "small" size to a bigger one. Your so-called "useless glitter" is what makes big programs big and what helps smaller programs to grow to a size where for example our $650 monthly lease price does not matter.

Good affiliate software needs to help you make the right choice at right time about various issues by providing valuable reporting and statistics.

Good affiliate software, in my oppinion, needs to let you run more than just partnership (percentage) based programs, but also per join or per active member type programs.

Good affiliate software needs to offer you advanced features like Follow Me programs or Console Free Tours or Cross Sale Management.

All of the above helps you maximize your ROI, and all of the above needs a lot of development which costs a lot of money. It also makes you a lot of money which makes the prices of the good products not at all too expensive.

[SABAI]

Originally posted by Nathan
Your so-called "useless glitter" is what makes big programs big

thats the problem , only big programs can afford to spend this money as they have already a good members base , the prog can be payed in one day of signups , but in the case of small programs , have you ever considered a intermediary solution wich could be evolutive , to help small proggies get a kick start without getting washed of all their funds before they even get their first signup?

just a thought.

[MovieMaster]

I got my money on Monolith
you can find it at www.Speira.com

[SABAI]

i must add small programs don't need any pay per signup option as they usually don't have enough cash in store to pay the first webmasters sending sales .

[Nathan]

Originally posted by SABAI
i must add small programs don't need any pay per signup option as they usually don't have enough cash in store to pay the first webmasters sending sales .

You are of course correct, but its the ability to offer it at some point which makes it so powerful.

Regarding your earlier question if we have an intermediary solution, I will have to say no, not right now. But you never know what might happen in the future

[SABAI]

Originally posted by Nathan
You are of course correct, but its the ability to offer it at some point which makes it so powerful.

Regarding your earlier question if we have an intermediary solution, I will have to say no, not right now. But you never know what might happen in the future

i'm currently lightning packs of josstick incense to buddha for this day to come very soon

[Nathan]

Originally posted by SABAI
i'm currently lightning packs of josstick incense to buddha for this day to come very soon

LOL

Can you contact me on ICQ? 1889711 or AIM fthylmann? I have a few questions for ya...

[Giorgio_Xo]

http://x3scripts.com/partnerprogram.html?
http://www.speira.com/index.php
http://www.webscribble.com/products/...te/index.shtml
http://www.siteinteractive.com/comcart/
http://www.traphica.com/
http://www.affiliatetracking.net/
http://hosting.clickman.com/full.html
http://nats.toomuchmedia.com/index.html
http://www.directtrack.com/
http://www.riverstyx.net/products.html#RSClickThru
http://truestats.humaniq.com

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
http://x3scripts.com/partnerprogram.html?
http://www.speira.com/index.php
http://www.webscribble.com/products/...te/index.shtml
http://www.siteinteractive.com/comcart/
http://www.traphica.com/
http://www.affiliatetracking.net/
http://hosting.clickman.com/full.html
http://nats.toomuchmedia.com/index.html
http://www.directtrack.com/
http://www.riverstyx.net/products.html#RSClickThru
http://truestats.humaniq.com

Thanks looking now.

Andre

[lacorporacione]

If you need processing for your sites. Hit me up. We have 48 hour approval and setup time!

[HS-Trixxxia]

Wow.....thanks for all the responses!

Nathan - If the most basic of modules or part of the scripts were available to say startups - then you'd have:
1) a more affordable product = more small clients
2) you'd be retaining your clients for the 'next' module, simply because not everyone wants to start switching from one software to the other.
3) more talk about your program within the industry.


While making a big sale is good - making 100s of little ones, that will have to grow into the next module may be better to take you forward for a few years.

That's the way I see it. Not trying to offend programmers - thinking through the processes and then programming it to actually be tracked & more is surely not an easy task & you surely want to be rewarded (rightly so) but being rewarded by 10 right away instead of 100 who will probably reach your full modules within 2 years seems to be better business (numbers used just for comparisons)



Giorgio_xo - thanks for the links - going to check them out now.

lacorporacione - I don't think we have a problem with processing, we have a problem with getting all our surfers processed & accepted.

SABAI -- I have my moneyfrog I'm rubbing and the incense burning through - trying both :-)

[SABAI]

Originally posted by Trixxxia


Nathan - If the most basic of modules or part of the scripts were available to say startups - then you'd have:
1) a more affordable product = more small clients
2) you'd be retaining your clients for the 'next' module, simply because not everyone wants to start switching from one software to the other.
3) more talk about your program within the industry.


While making a big sale is good - making 100s of little ones, that will have to grow into the next module may be better to take you forward for a few years.

That's the way I see it. Not trying to offend programmers - thinking through the processes and then programming it to actually be tracked & more is surely not an easy task & you surely want to be rewarded (rightly so) but being rewarded by 10 right away instead of 100 who will probably reach your full modules within 2 years seems to be better business (numbers used just for comparisons)

was speaking with Nathan yesterday night for a couple hours and basicaly i said the same as you . Nathan is a really cool guy ready to listen to people and to try to find solutions, two thumbs up fo people like him

[HS-Trixxxia]

Originally posted by SABAI
was speaking with Nathan yesterday night for a couple hours and basicaly i said the same as you . Nathan is a really cool guy ready to listen to people and to try to find solutions, two thumbs up fo people like him

Cool......that's what I want to hear - people who think outside the bank box and are looking into building a vault for the future

[HS-Trixxxia]

Originally posted by SABAI
was speaking with Nathan yesterday night for a couple hours and basicaly i said the same as you . Nathan is a really cool guy ready to listen to people and to try to find solutions, two thumbs up fo people like him

Any idea if something is in the works & how soon? :-)

[SABAI]

well, we were just kinda brainstormin and exchanging ideas.

some pretty decent ideas went out of it , but as far as to know if and when it would take place i guess the best thing is to see that with Nathan himself.

but i'm glad that you and i are sharing the same views, and that Nathan is interested in hearing it and see what could be done.

[HS-Trixxxia]

Originally posted by SABAI
well, we were just kinda brainstormin and exchanging ideas.

some pretty decent ideas went out of it , but as far as to know if and when it would take place i guess the best thing is to see that with Nathan himself.

but i'm glad that you and i are sharing the same views, and that Nathan is interested in hearing it and see what could be done.

I just mssged him - hope I can get some info on it too.

I checked Giorgio's list of sites:
Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
http://x3scripts.com/partnerprogram.html?
http://www.speira.com/index.php
http://www.webscribble.com/products...ate/index.shtml
http://www.siteinteractive.com/comcart/
http://www.traphica.com/
http://www.affiliatetracking.net/
http://hosting.clickman.com/full.html
http://nats.toomuchmedia.com/index.html
http://www.directtrack.com/
http://www.riverstyx.net/products.html#RSClickThru
http://truestats.humaniq.com
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The one that looks like it's 'affordable' to start is :
http://www.speira.com/index.php Monolith V2.0 - anyone have feedback? Looks complete - looks well thought out..

Feedback from users would be nice!

Some of the others in that list were way off the wall in pricing though - others have no price - just a contact us - which to me signifies 'off the richter scale priced' hehehe......