New recurring payout program model?

[Reak]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
are you joking? or just smoking crack?
give me 1 reason why would anyone drop you if they got good ratios and good recurring?
I tried lsc, good recurring, not so good ratios.

Shut up Oraclepig.

50 Intresting Posts.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Reak
Shut up Oraclepig.

50 Intresting Posts.

oraclepig? are you in 2nd grade son? well i know your brain is.
Dumbass Europeans.

[SteveLightspeed]

No fighting in my thread!

I'm hoping for some thoughtful debate here.

[Reak]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
No fighting in my thread!

I'm hoping for some thoughtful debate here.

Me too, That's why i told that boy to shut up.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Reak
Me too, That's why i told that boy to shut up.

you are a true idiot. get a clue son. you are a loser with 0 idea of wtf you are doing. dumbfuck.

[CrazyNakedChick]

i'll be loyal to the death for a few sponsors i use. they pay a fair percentage on time - they don't shave me - offer me lots of excellent promo content - and one buys me chili at the local webmaster luncheons.

that's all i really need.

other than the obvious, many times i will eventually drop a sponsor if they don't offer enough promo content, or if they continually dick around with the already posted hosteds - this causes me grief on a few tgp/mgps my parter and i run.

[FlyingIguana]

can you guys wait till i get some popcorn?

[SteveLightspeed]

So what I'm hearing is that new sites with good content that convert and retain, honest payouts, and fair treatment of the webmasters is the way to earn webmaster loyalty?

When you guys are all at the next convention, wondering why there's no open bar and no tits in your face, you can reread this thread.

I just saved 300k! Thanks!


Steve Lightspeed

[Reak]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
So what I'm hearing is that new sites with good content that convert and retain, honest payouts, and fair treatment of the webmasters is the way to earn webmaster loyalty?

When you guys are all at the next convention, wondering why there's no open bar and no tits in your face, you can reread this thread.

I just saved 300k! Thanks!


Steve Lightspeed

Originally posted by Reak
So lets say i push your sponsor with 30k hits per month. And i make 30 sales and the second month i make with the same ammount traffic only 10 sales. You would lower my payouts but i sond the same ammount of hits to you. Would that be fair?

What do you think about this.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
So what I'm hearing is that new sites with good content that convert and retain, honest payouts, and fair treatment of the webmasters is the way to earn webmaster loyalty?

When you guys are all at the next convention, wondering why there's no open bar and no tits in your face, you can reread this thread.

I just saved 300k! Thanks!


Steve Lightspeed

you are treating people like your kids. no one forces you to host any parties, and i couldn't care less if u host any parties or not, if you won't im sure someone else will... a sponsor party will probebly get me to try a sponsor, but if the conversions are not good than fuck the party, i won't promote them because I don't like wasting my traffic.

[herbal logic]

more sites+exclusive content = loyalty (IMO)

[Reak]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
you are a true idiot. get a clue son. you are a loser with 0 idea of wtf you are doing. dumbfuck.

If the great oracleporn says so

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
you are treating people like your kids. no one forces you to host any parties, and i couldn't care less if u host any parties or not, if you won't im sure someone else will... a sponsor party will probebly get me to try a sponsor, but if the conversions are not good than fuck the party, i won't promote them because I don't like wasting my traffic.

Will you attend their next party, after you've already dropped them with no intention of promoting them again?

I'll admit that we host parties with the hopes of attracting new webmasters. And because its fun.

[CrazyNakedChick]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
So what I'm hearing is that new sites with good content that convert and retain, honest payouts, and fair treatment of the webmasters is the way to earn webmaster loyalty?

When you guys are all at the next convention, wondering why there's no open bar and no tits in your face, you can reread this thread.

I just saved 300k! Thanks!


Steve Lightspeed

hehe, a sponsor can throw all the titties and beer at me that they can afford, but if their sites don't work with my traffic (after a very fair test period) i am going to have to dump them and try another one.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Will you attend their next party, after you've already dropped them with no intention of promoting them again?

the smart webmaster would go on to other parties to network with potential sponsors and new business associates. why waste time with companies you don't want to work with anymore?

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Will you attend their next party, after you've already dropped them with no intention of promoting them again?

I'll admit that we host parties with the hopes of attracting new webmasters. And because its fun.

If I get invited I sure will, if EVERYONE is going there I sure will, but if there are 5 other parties going on the same night i probebly won't. Its nothing personal its just that your sites dont convert with MY traffic...what i will do is try and work something with you so we both can make money.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
If I get invited I sure will, if EVERYONE is going there I sure will, but if there are 5 other parties going on the same night i probebly won't. Its nothing personal its just that your sites dont convert with MY traffic...what i will do is try and work something with you so we both can make money.

There is the point -- most affiliates will dump a sponsor and move on, without a goodbye --- I can't think of many sponsors that wouldn't be willing to work with a loyal affiliate to try to make things better for everyone. If there's something I can do (within reason) that would help everyone, I'd love to hear it.

[Brujah]

I want 95%.

Seriously, do webmasters REALLY decide who to promote based on their free booze or tits at a convention ?

No.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
There is the point -- most affiliates will dump a sponsor and move on, without a goodbye --- I can't think of many sponsors that wouldn't be willing to work with a loyal affiliate to try to make things better for everyone. If there's something I can do (within reason) that would help everyone, I'd love to hear it.

yes, alternetive tours.
trials....the option to have pps and revshare on the same account.
ziped content...the ftp thingy is really annoying.

[Reak]

Originally posted by Brujah
I want 95%.

Seriously, do webmasters REALLY decide who to promote based on their free booze or tits at a convention ?

No.

Nope, you are right.

I send my traffic to sites that convert the best not to the companies who have the best webmaster parties.

[Brujah]

I want to add something without any kidding. The fact that you're always posting and asking for feedback and communicating with your webmasters is a big PLUS to me. I prefer working with sponsors who are strong with communication.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally posted by Reak
Nope, you are right.

I send my traffic to sites that convert the best not to the companies who have the best webmaster parties.

So I could also take it that you don't care who advertises on a board, or in a magazine? Is word of mouth the only thing you trust? What is the best way to learn about new programs and sites?

Are you willing to work with someone you've never met? What about the trust factor?

[Paparazzi]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
We've been talking about creating a new revshare program model called "Pro Affiliate"

It would pay 80% on signups and recurring.

But here's the catch: The rebills would be paid in proportion to new joins during that period. In other words, if you sent 30 sales one month, and got 15 rebills from those the next month, you would need to have at least 15 new sales to be paid on them all.

If you only have 10 sales, you get paid for up to 10 rebills. If you have no sales, you get no rebills.

Basically, I want to reward loyalty and penalize disloyalty. When the traffic stops, so do the checks.


Please discuss!

Steve Lightspeed

no thanks...

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally posted by Brujah
I want to add something without any kidding. The fact that you're always posting and asking for feedback and communicating with your webmasters is a big PLUS to me. I prefer working with sponsors who are strong with communication.

"Some people have a way with words, other people.... not have way!" --- Steve Martin

[CrazyNakedChick]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
yes, alternetive tours.
trials....the option to have pps and revshare on the same account.
ziped content...the ftp thingy is really annoying.

better yet, give me free hosting - let me make my own tour - and give me the ability to link directly to your join page (sans any cross sales checks).

if i really really like your site and your content i will try out every tour you offer, and if those don't show me the numbers i want to see i'll build my own damned tour and try that.

[SteveLightspeed]

Let me just tie this in


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=298663

[Reak]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
So I could also take it that you don't care who advertises on a board, or in a magazine? Is word of mouth the only thing you trust? What is the best way to learn about new programs and sites?

Are you willing to work with someone you've never met? What about the trust factor?

My stats will proof if the sponsor is ok for me or not.

And i didn't say i dont try new sponsors or dont look at advertises on the boards. I just said i dont care if they giving a $300k webmaster party or not.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Let me just tie this in


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=298663

so let me get this straight.
you don't want to work with your webmasters but you want webmasters to promote you...am I missing anything?

[MPBWhitney]

Steve

I understand where your frustrations come from. However I'm not sure if "penalizing" a webmaster is the right way to approach this. I know that you have awareded your loyal webmasteres by giving away trips... and prizes . In my opinion your already on top of the ball.... And I'm sure those ppl will remember your "thanks" and will continue to send as much productive traffic your way as they can.

Perhaps instead of focusing on illiminating a percentage of profits to those who in your eyes do not rank up with the loyalty factor..... Just continue to award those who do!

Interesting thread!

Whitney

[sweetums]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
so let me get this straight.
you don't want to work with your webmasters but you want webmasters to promote you...am I missing anything?

LS was letting the sarcasm fly in that other post....

Lightspeed's has a great reputation for the way they're willingness to work with affiliates as well as their honesty.

[FuqALot]

Webmasters are already showing their loyalty by promoting your sites in the first place. Especially when it's a revshare program, and there are hundreds of affiliate programs. Ofcourse not every program is the same and that's why they chose you.
You should be happy with every hit they sent.

You do not need to raise payouts either.

If you do then make sure it's you that is doing the webmaster a favor and pay them for everything they make. But if you want the webmaster to return the favor, or else no payout, then I suggest you just keep on coming up with great sites but stick to this payout system.

[xApster]

Why do you think Nastydollars does so well... amazing sites, amazing content good coversions ... have you ever seen any of them at any conference or hosting a party?

But we have been using lightspeed for a while now so you must be doing something right

[SteveLightspeed]

Nasty who?

[tranza]

I would NEVER promote such a program....

[TheSwed]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Nasty who?

*LOL*

[Jman]

I can understand your point and the value of Loyalty. But it's not K.I.S.S enough and to scary for the webmasters out there.

If you would do that I sure hope you have solid affiliate support because they will get bombarded with excuses and complaints and all.

I agree with Rick on RPM... I been calculating every program based on a click value for many years now. If an advertising campaign of a program on my exits as a 0.25cents clicks value over all why would I want to stop...? I will want to send more and more clicks and stay with that sponsor long time.

I have started to show the click value to some of Xtremepay affiliates and what came out of it was only positive. They started to send more clicks to our creative, in results, equaled more sales and more revenues for everyone.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by xApster
Why do you think Nastydollars does so well... amazing sites, amazing content good coversions ... have you ever seen any of them at any conference or hosting a party?

This sentence speaks volumes about the industry as a whole.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Cambo
I like this idea. I know it will make me alot more money.

Cameron

Yummy I was about to say... I like the idea, Steve. Anyone who doesn't make money with that model is either lazy or a cheater, pretty much.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn
you are smoking crack...this isn't highschool....pay me what you owe me or i wont send you traffic...ill send you as much traffic as i want because of your ratios....

if you want loyal webmasters than give good content, a few tours per website, lots of new websites, new ideas, good ratios (which I didn't get sending lots of traffic to lsg this month).

Yeah but, you suck, we've been through this.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Yummy I was about to say... I like the idea, Steve. Anyone who doesn't make money with that model is either lazy or a cheater, pretty much.

lazy or a cheater?

maybe, just maybe they moved traffic elsewhere? i've sent more traffic to certain programs over the years, depends on who's converting well and on a variety of other factors.

[gregtx]

nothing wrong with thinking outside the box...

but why not just offer a PPS model? and keep all of the rebills for yourself... seems like a lot of money left on the table.. especially since this thread is proving that a partnership program doesn't help webmaster loyalty

and as for your parties.. nothing wrong with throwing a party for your loyal webmasters... screw the freeloaders.. 80% of all traffic is controlled by 20% of the industry anyway.. invite those who really matter.. and who will really do biz with you

[crockett]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Well, I'm just fishing here.

Tell me then, what does it take to earn webmaster loyalty?

Is there such thing?

What if a program started at 60%, and bumped 1% for every month that there are new sales (up to 80%), but dropped 1% every month that there are no sales (to say to 40%) ???

What's wrong with leaving the pay scales where they are? I'll tell you what I've noticed.. is the lack of new sites and updates for hosted galleries. You guys started that new gallery program where people send in the galleries.. But it's the same content I've already seen everywhere.

I can't build and submit galleries for your sites because everyone has the same content on their sites already. I can't buy content and use it to sell your sites because all the sites are single girl for the most part, so bought content is useless. If you want to keep webmaster loyalty give me something I can promote with.

You guys always had good converting sites but it's hard to build steady traffic to them with nothing new to promote. just my opinion

[EZRhino]

Doesnt sound like a good idea

[tony286]

You guys are funny , if you bring more sales you want a higher percentage but if you dont bring the sales you dont want the percentage lowered. lol Thats funny. It should be like insurance sales the less active you are the lower percentage of rebills you get. I feel The affiliate should get almost all the money of the first sale but when it recurs thats the sponsor not the affiliate. You guys are funny you want almost all the sale for life, free hosting , cool parties and prizes. Then get surprised when someone is shaving. lol

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
If you can afford to take a month long holiday, you are overpaid already.

well i agree on that point.

i didn't respond right away cause i wanted to think about this one. i've found season flucations in my business - i make more in the winter than the sumer - would someone get penalized because of this? general traffic is down as much as 30% in the summer - so i can actually work HARDER - geta 10% increase and get paid less on this program. overall i don't like the idea of it. i can get a good month - and then a bad one too and still be working hard.

loyality in business is based on the program and how it works and the work put into it. lightspeed has shown consistant, long term ability in producing quality work - as long as they continue to do that they will continue to get people to support them. sure some will leave, as people always move on with their lives and grow in their own directions, but new ones will take their place.

my thoughts, you don't need to bribe anyone to use your stuff steve, they use it cause it's quality work - keep the program growing, and keep working hard and recruiting. I'm not saying stop supporting the industry, but do it for the right reasons. I dont' put the kind of money you do into industry events, but i throw a few pennies in here and there - I do it as a thank you for what i already got - not what i'm going to get.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
So what I'm hearing is that new sites with good content that convert and retain, honest payouts, and fair treatment of the webmasters is the way to earn webmaster loyalty?

When you guys are all at the next convention, wondering why there's no open bar and no tits in your face, you can reread this thread.

I just saved 300k! Thanks!


Steve Lightspeed

open bars arn't necessary in my mind, the wrong people go to them

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
open bars arn't necessary in my mind, the wrong people go to them

With the kind of sites and program Steve has I don't think he ever has to spend another dime on a group event. Hell, he never even has to leave Arizona. When you think teen model you think Lightspeed.

[cherrylula]

Will this have any affect on the processing fees you deduct from the 60% payouts on checks already? Ya know the fee thats about 10% of the stats payout amount, which makes the actual payout closer to if not lower than 50%...

Feel free to correct me on the actual figures.

Who cares about parties, I pay more attention to check stubs.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Yeah but, you suck, we've been through this.

gag on my cock.

[tony286]

I dont believe no one cares about the parties if thats the case why do they keep having them , bigger and bigger and they are packed. lol