Shaving webmaster programs

[Shaze]

I thought I'd throw this topic out for discussion:

It seems like there are so many accusations about webmaster programs shaving stats that it seems like a normal business practice in the adult industry. Is shaving considered an illegal business practice when put in context of the law? Also, has any company ever been sued because of shaving or does the adult community just take law into their own hands by letting it be known among members of the community.

[TimeStamp]

Extreampay checks is a shitty program that shaves like mad

[SS396chevelleSS]

prove it

[KMR Stitch]

Originally posted by TimeStamp
Extreampay checks is a shitty program that shaves like mad

No offence. Show proof or shut up.

[freeadultcontent]

It is not a normal business practice.
Shaving would be illegal.
As far as I know nobody has been sued for shaving.
Proof would be a pain to show in court, but discovery would be a royal bitch for the company.

[Shaze]

Here's something else to think about. If shaving is considered illegal then can't MPA2 or any other script get into legal trouble because it offers a shaving feature in it's software? It would be promoting a business practice that is illegal. This isn't a post to bash on MPA2, just something to discuss.

[TimeStamp]

Originally posted by KMR Stitch
No offence. Show proof or shut up.

I bought hits from Choker that went directly to the sign up page
so 1 hit = 1 click the first day of the pay week i got 24 clicks to the program the next day because i was forceing 1 hit an hour

i did this for 2 full pay periods and i got the 24 clicks only on the fist day of the pay period all the other day i got exactly half the clicks i was supposed to get

I know thats not hard proff but it is strange

[gin]

proof of shaving is not hard to get, seems easy if you have access to 10 friends with credit cards, a video camera, and a few different computers with different versions of aol to dial up. or maybe even buy 10 win2k box's. they are like 99$ at servermatrix. Flip the camera on. buy a bunch of shit traffic and start joining. wouldn't that hold up in court? i don't see why it wouldn't..

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by gin
proof of shaving is not hard to get, seems easy if you have access to 10 friends with credit cards, a video camera, and a few different computers with different versions of aol to dial up. or maybe even buy 10 win2k box's. they are like 99$ at servermatrix. Flip the camera on. buy a bunch of shit traffic and start joining. wouldn't that hold up in court? i don't see why it wouldn't..

idiot

[DR_PHIL]

it definately could be..question is..is it worth someones time and money specially to take it to court.

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by DR_PHIL
it definately could be..question is..is it worth someones time and money specially to take it to court.

I would forsee a settlement long before a trial. No sponsor would be foolish enough to go through discovery IMHO.

[macker]

Originally posted by TimeStamp
I bought hits from Choker that went directly to the sign up page
so 1 hit = 1 click the first day of the pay week i got 24 clicks to the program the next day because i was forceing 1 hit an hour

i did this for 2 full pay periods and i got the 24 clicks only on the fist day of the pay period all the other day i got exactly half the clicks i was supposed to get

I know thats not hard proff but it is strange

[Shaze]

If found guilty in court for shaving how serious would the charge be to the company? Would it be considered something like stealing or more serious like embezzlement, fraud, etc....?

[studio]

That's why I believe in the 3rd party billing... If some one tells you thay will pay $30.00 per sign up... and you send 2 and they shave 1 your really only getting $15.00 and then no rebills... ?

I don't know... but the 3rd party to me adds something to the program... IMHO