programs not using trials

[quiet]

what's out there?

[[Brian]]

mostly it's programs like ars, quickbuck, weg that give you the option of linking to no trial tours

[jimmy3way]

None of my shit uses trials. Why bother?

BMW didn't need zero percent financing to up their sales 8% last year in the US did they?

[polish_aristocrat]

Most of the Verotel sites don't have trials.
Dugmor's or Lightspeed's sites show the trials only on exits.
So does Club 17

[SureFire]

http://www.zarniacash.com

[Phoenix]

Get in touch or check out our program.

No trials.


We offer a trial on the exit, which you also get credit for.

[xdcdave]

I dont. http://www.sweetstephanie.com/

E-mail me if you decide to promote her, I'll hook you up with a pass to grab some content.

support at sweetstephanie.com

[seven]

I've seen member's area of a few non-trial offering sites and believe they are mostly those sites that believe they couldn't convince members to go from trial to monthly. But ofcourse there are good sites out there too not offering trials but very few. Unless the site is rare niche or some cases all exclusive (with high quality content) and low monthly rates, I believe it'd be rather hard to convert without trial.

[quiet]

Originally posted by seven
I've seen member's area of a few non-trial offering sites and believe they are mostly those sites that believe they couldn't convince members to go from trial to monthly. But ofcourse there are good sites out there too not offering trials but very few. Unless the site is rare niche or some cases all exclusive (with high quality content) and low monthly rates, I believe it'd be rather hard to convert without trial.

actually it's not that hard at all.

[TheJimmy]

Originally posted by quiet


actually it's not that hard at all.

what he said...


hell, I remember BoB being a non-trial site, not sure if it still is, but years ago when I sold a couple memberships it was no-trial and it sold like hotcakes...

[doober]

Originally posted by TheJimmy



what he said...


hell, I remember BoB being a non-trial site, not sure if it still is, but years ago when I sold a couple memberships it was no-trial and it sold like hotcakes...

ahhh the good ol days of bob...so many are still recurring after years

[seven]

Originally posted by quiet
actually it's not that hard at all.

I wasn't talking about an all exclusive (with high quality content) and low monthly rate (less than $25-$30/mon) site Otherwise, trials are much easier.. tried them all

[seven]

Originally posted by TheJimmy
hell, I remember BoB being a non-trial site, not sure if it still is, but years ago when I sold a couple memberships it was no-trial and it sold like hotcakes...

That's a different story. There weren't many interracial sites to compete with BOB back then. Otherwise, you are talking to a hardcore BOB promoter here who promoted BOB with paid slots on hun & other major tgps/mgps for years

[Juicy D. Links]

Karups

[seven]

Originally posted by juicylinks
Karups

Definitely 1 of the best out there, rebills very well yet kinda hard to get initials

[TheJimmy]

Originally posted by seven

That's a different story. There weren't many interracial sites to compete with BOB back then. Otherwise, you are talking to a hardcore BOB promoter here who promoted BOB with paid slots on hun & other major tgps/mgps for years

so YOU're that guy....I know you cleaned up pretty well ;)


good work and like the other dude said, don'tCHA just LOVE those recurrs years later





PPS is the silliest shit I've ever participated in...

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by seven
I've seen member's area of a few non-trial offering sites and believe they are mostly those sites that believe they couldn't convince members to go from trial to monthly. But ofcourse there are good sites out there too not offering trials but very few. Unless the site is rare niche or some cases all exclusive (with high quality content) and low monthly rates, I believe it'd be rather hard to convert without trial.

My blood;
What I have figured out is that it is not the price that make a surfer pull out the credit card but instead it is the PORN.

The porn video store sales one fucking video for $29.99 and nobody bitches; because it aint about the money. $30.00 is not going to bankrupt anyone that can afford to walk into the video store and it aint gonna bankrupt anyone who can afford an internet connection.

If I think a site is worth joining by looking at the tour then I know I will stay past the trial period and get billed more than if I just joined for a month. So why fuck around with the trial?

I'll join the trial if I have a "snake" program to download your entire members area while I'm at work and then quit your site and view it all offline. This is where a lot of these trial cancels come from.

A lot of times surfers will join the site because they just have to see that ONE video you have on the tour and after they see it they are gone. So get full fucking price from these people. They are used to paying $30 for a single video anyway!!!

Rebills are better when surfer pays full price because they know they have a month to check out the content and they take their time to surf the site and end up liking it. But the trial member speeds through the site, half ass looking at the content because they are trying to determine if it's worth hangin around and being billed for full price. But since they only half-assed view it they often don't enjoy themselves so they quit before be rebilled.

Chargebacks are less when they pay full price because many trial programs try to hide the fact that the re-bill is comming and when the surfer gets the bill they are pissed.

My conversion for trials were the same as without trial and for a very simple reason. Many people believe that "you get what you pay for". So when they see a $1.99 trial they believe the only thing they will get is ripped off with a $40 rebill after viewing some content that was worth exactly $1.99.
Think of it this way; if you had to leave your job to search for a nice apartment are you going to miss work to drive across town to look at a apartment that says "only $5.00 per month". Come on; you know it's going to be shit or some kind of set up so you spend your time looking at the one the cost several hundred dollars instead.

As an affiliate I have made more money from sites that don't offer trials because after all the trouble I go thru to get a surfer to click the banner and sign up I need that full price and not 3 fucking dollars an no renewal.

When massivecocks.com had no trial I was sending 70 signups a month for $29.00 each. When they started trial I was sending 70 signups a month but more than half cancelled. So do the math and it's easy to see that I made less money.

On the plus side for the sponsor: If you have a lot of affiliates that send a ton of trials then you can do good because these surfers who cancel type in the domain a month later and re-join the site. When this happens guess who doesn't get credit. hehehe!

I didn't believe a word I just said 4 years ago so I emailed the webmaster of blacksonblondes.com and he told me the exact shit I'm saying now when I asked him to start using trials. I didn't believe him so I started my own pay site and wasted time going through the same shit he already knew.

I have yet to see a program that didn't offer trials go out of biz or shrink into virtual non-existance. But I do know about programs like intergal.com that offered FREE trials and their program is all but defunct.

ARS had to lower and or dump it's free trials because it's hard to get money out of freeloaders and the chargeback ratio is thru the roof. Can you say "terminated by my billing company because of my chargeback ratio"....I knew that you could.

But hey, I'm like everybody else and from time to time I wonder if I can get more signups with a trial. But I don't so it because it's the "flash back syndrome"...ya know when you consider getting back together with the ex...forget it..it'll be the exact same thing that it was before...bullshit!!!!

FUck a trial...get paid up front.
The free samples on the tour is the fucking trial!!

[$5 submissions]

I think this is a great idea, and there are some that do use this model. I just can't remember them at the moment.

[BRISK]

I think all the www.tushycash.com sites are no trial, and I think all the www.xescash.com sites are no trial too

[SomeCreep]

Quiet, are you promoting TripleXCash yet? Their sites dont have trials and give webmasters the choice of Pay Per Signup or Recurring.

[sweetcuties]

I haven't had trials on any of my sites in 2 yrs... fuck that! I bust my ass chasing down these girls. I think you know the sites I run

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by quiet


actually it's not that hard at all.

i agree totally

[Jake]

Our program NaughtyBank offers a no trial tour for NaughtyAllie

Oh yeah, we're giving away a 42" Plasma TV for the most new sales next month. Check sig for details on the contest and the program.

[CamChicks]

Originally posted by seven

all exclusive (with high quality content) and low monthly rate

that describes us no trials. long rebills.

[NaughtyJenn]

check my site out hun im over at cswcash

[seven]

I disagree.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
The porn video store sales one fucking video for $29.99 and nobody bitches; because it aint about the money. $30.00 is not going to bankrupt anyone that can afford to walk into the video store and it aint gonna bankrupt anyone who can afford an internet connection.

You are comparing tangible to non-tangible. There's no compare.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
I'll join the trial if I have a "snake" program to download your entire members area while I'm at work and then quit your site and view it all offline. This is where a lot of these trial cancels come from.

% of this is very low besides there are softwares out there to prevent this from happening.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
Rebills are better when surfer pays full price because they know they have a month to check out the content and they take their time to surf the site and end up liking it. But the trial member speeds through the site, half ass looking at the content because they are trying to determine if it's worth hangin around and being billed for full price. But since they only half-assed view it they often don't enjoy themselves so they quit before be rebilled.

Can be fixed with a longer period/high priced trial.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
A lot of times surfers will join the site because they just have to see that ONE video you have on the tour and after they see it they are gone. So get full fucking price from these people. They are used to paying $30 for a single video anyway!!!

Without a trial he will kill his desire and pay $0. Again, you can't compare tangible to non-tangible.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
Chargebacks are less when they pay full price because many trial programs try to hide the fact that the re-bill is comming and when the surfer gets the bill they are pissed.

If someone joins a site to see it didn't worth $30 he is more likely to chargeback than someone letting it go cos only a trial. Last 6 months I sold THOUSANDS of trials and 1 chargeback.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
When massivecocks.com had no trial I was sending 70 signups a month for $29.00 each. When they started trial I was sending 70 signups a month but more than half cancelled. So do the math and it's easy to see that I made less money.

As an affiliate of a certain program, when it had no trials, I was doing 300 signups a month. When it introduced trial I did 1000 trials and 500 converts to month. High priced trials too, so you do the math

Originally posted by blackmonsters
I didn't believe a word I just said 4 years ago so I emailed the webmaster of blacksonblondes.com and he told me the exact shit I'm saying now when I asked him to start using trials. I didn't believe him so I started my own pay site and wasted time going through the same shit he already knew.

In case you didn't know, BOB is the short for blacksonblondes.com and like I said, that's a diff story.. read my post above.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
I have yet to see a program that didn't offer trials go out of biz or shrink into virtual non-existance. But I do know about programs like intergal.com that offered FREE trials and their program is all but defunct.

Neither did I cos non-trials don't just go out of biz they add a trial option.

Originally posted by blackmonsters
But I don't so it because it's the "flash back syndrome"...ya know when you consider getting back together with the ex...forget it..it'll be the exact same thing that it was before...bullshit!!!!

You have a tendency of comparing the odds don't you? Now, surfers can often be skeptical about non-trial sites, they could very well be one of those millions of worthless sites with nice tours. With a trial if they see what they like they will convert or else many of them will put a gallon of free water on their cocks and just say "fuckkit! I ain't gonna be a victim of a potential scam!"

Phew! That was a long-ass post to answer to

[quiet]

non-trial sites convert, period. sure, fucking garbage might not - who cares? i certainly don't.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally posted by quiet
non-trial sites convert, period. sure, fucking garbage might not - who cares? i certainly don't.

true

[Dirty D]

Quiet,

Check us out at http://www.HowIgotRich.com

NO TRIALS

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We are also giving out $1 Million Dollars in BONUS MONEY

[Cindyff]

These guys will set up anything you need. Give em a try

[onlymovies]

We never had trials on our sites until we launched the program. I usually push non trials myself when dealing with partnership. But we added trials since some affiliates wanted it. Figured it can't hurt to give them the option. Currently, were adding a no trial option as we speak.

[seven]

Originally posted by quiet
non-trial sites convert, period. sure, fucking garbage might not - who cares? i certainly don't.

You are one of those different stories. No compare I promote many of the non-trials mentioned in this very thread too as an affiliate. I think I know what I'm talking about. Trials convert better than non-trials period. But who cares? I promote them both kinds. I have lots of room to promote lotsa diff kinds so certainly I don't care much.. just a bitty maybe Btw, i used to root for non-trials too.. once upon a time, changed my mind since.

[quiet]

enough of the blah, blah bullshit. let's see some more non-trial sites posted...

[SleazyDream]

i kinda think anyone thinking LONG TERM in this industry is into non-trials.

trials are designed by nature to trick someone into paying more than they thought they would pay. It's a marketing method designed on deception. Who the fuck would really agree to pay $49.99? that surfer only thought they were gona pay $1.99 - and then forgot to cancel. by the time the credit card bill reaches them you usually get the initial and 2 rebills - for $102 a client - on something they only wanted to pay $1.99 for. - it's sooo close to fraud you might as well call it fraud.

does fraud pay? - you better believe it does. but it's not a long term business model as visa's new 1% rules now show. And it shows NO RESPECT for the surfer (your client) whatsoever.


there are a few companies that havnt' had trials EVER, and they did VERY well. Streamray, AFF, and quiet are a few to mention off the top of my head.

Solid Proof that you don't have to be a THEIF to make good money in this business.

[seven]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
Who the fuck would really agree to pay $49.99? that surfer only thought they were gona pay $1.99 - and then forgot to cancel. by the time the credit card bill reaches them you usually get the initial and 2 rebills - for $102 a client - on something they only wanted to pay $1.99 for. - it's sooo close to fraud you might as well call it fraud.

1.99 to rebill of 49.99 are extreme cases don't you think? Most monthly's are in the range from $20 to $30/mon? Don't think there's anything wrong with $6 trial rebilling to $24. I believe it's only about 2% that get rebilled cos they forgot to cancel.. at the same token, even a non-trial member could forget to cancel and end up paying for further rebills Sure! There are sites that do great without trials but from my experience personally I think they'd do even greater with trials that's all. Nobody has to be convinced or anything over that

[HarlotCash Dyker]

Fact is, non trials retail longer because the member has a whole month to cancel - And he WILL cancel tomorrow because he has plenty of time left on his membership -
More often than not, tomorrow never comes! And after he has been a member for 4-6 weeks and he sees the constant updates, he realises he is getting a good deal -

We put trial in ever December /january to help keep a decent volume of new members joining - But it is always the same - Trials to retentions go through the floor.

[EscortBiz]

The only trial I offer is a 18.95 30 day trial that rebills at 29.95, surfers see that only if they exit my join page.

My sites are unique and dont care much about pricing.

[Eman - PG]

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
Fact is, non trials retail longer because the member has a whole month to cancel - And he WILL cancel tomorrow because he has plenty of time left on his membership -
More often than not, tomorrow never comes! And after he has been a member for 4-6 weeks and he sees the constant updates, he realises he is getting a good deal -

We put trial in ever December /january to help keep a decent volume of new members joining - But it is always the same - Trials to retentions go through the floor.

what % of trials converted to monthly members?

[Ray@TastyDollars]

http://www.ferrocash.com

Under 1:200 no trials, great pantyhose & TS sites, Ibill, good rebills

[HarlotCash Dyker]

I would say at least 50% of the cheap trials actually cancel BEFORE going into the members area for the 1st time -
Probably conversions for us when we use the trial is around 20% - When we don't use the trial, it increases to between 50-60%.
I am getting the same results a large sponsor is getting - It came up in a recent conversation -
Sales now have picked up back to norma - So I will be removing the trials this week.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
i kinda think anyone thinking LONG TERM in this industry is into non-trials.

trials are designed by nature to trick someone into paying more than they thought they would pay. It's a marketing method designed on deception. Who the fuck would really agree to pay $49.99? that surfer only thought they were gona pay $1.99 - and then forgot to cancel. by the time the credit card bill reaches them you usually get the initial and 2 rebills - for $102 a client - on something they only wanted to pay $1.99 for. - it's sooo close to fraud you might as well call it fraud.

does fraud pay? - you better believe it does. but it's not a long term business model as visa's new 1% rules now show. And it shows NO RESPECT for the surfer (your client) whatsoever.


there are a few companies that havnt' had trials EVER, and they did VERY well. Streamray, AFF, and quiet are a few to mention off the top of my head.

Solid Proof that you don't have to be a THEIF to make good money in this business.

So true.

I have no idea why other webmasters just don't get it. It seems so obvious to me. But whatever; I'll just join your shit and fuck everybody else.

[alejo]

We don't have trials.

www.lotsofmovies.com/partners/

[seven]

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
We put trial in ever December /january to help keep a decent volume of new members joining - But it is always the same - Trials to retentions go through the floor.

Offer a 10-12 days trial. 10 days should be enough for those trials to see the constant updates. So you can then get those members that would otherwise signup for no-trials + the skeptical ones may then rebill too + extra money from a high priced longer period trial.

Probably conversions for us when we use the trial is around 20%

33% is the industry average from trial to month. If you are over that you are doing good, if you are under you're doing not so good. So maybe just try a more expensive trial/longer period.

When we don't use the trial, it increases to between 50-60%.

Ofcourse! Trials to month is the hardest, once you got month, to next month is easier. As the matter of fact month to month should be a bit better for signup that came from trial.

The only trial I offer is a 18.95 30 day trial that rebills at 29.95, surfers see that only if they exit my join page.

Good new idea except do that 18.95 for 2 weeks trial maybe otherwise, members may cancel thinking to rejoin to save money then just forget to rejoin

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by seven

Good new idea except do that 18.95 for 2 weeks trial maybe otherwise, members may cancel thinking to rejoin to save money then just forget to rejoin

No matter what you say you know that full price is better.
The only reason you aint so hot on BOB right now is because 900 Gazillion webmasters are promoting it. With BOB there is actually a competition for the sign up. The surfer can signup anywhere so the trick is keeping then on your site to sign up and this is hard when you are trading traffic.

If you were the only webmaster promoting BOB you wouldn't even try to talk about trials...you'd be too busy counting your money!!!

You know it.

[quiet]

Originally posted by alejo
We don't have trials.

www.lotsofmovies.com/partners/

nice looking site.

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by blackmonsters


No matter what you say you know that full price is better.
The only reason you aint so hot on BOB right now is because 900 Gazillion webmasters are promoting it. With BOB there is actually a competition for the sign up. The surfer can signup anywhere so the trick is keeping then on your site to sign up and this is hard when you are trading traffic.

If you were the only webmaster promoting BOB you wouldn't even try to talk about trials...you'd be too busy counting your money!!!

You know it.

[seven]

Originally posted by blackmonsters
If you were the only webmaster promoting BOB you wouldn't even try to talk about trials...you'd be too busy counting your money!!!

Believe it or not I'm usually still pretty busy counting my money A minute part of it still comes from BOB too This is the longest I ever hung out on gfy making me look not busy huh? But look at the small # of my posts.. No it's not cos there are million webmasters promoting BOB, as the matter of fact, I see much fewer promoting it now then when I was hitting it hard. What killed BOB's sales for me are sites like the one in my sig, monstersofcocks.com, blackbroswhitehoes.com, 24 inches of pain etc. just to name a few.. not to mention the fact that BOB couldn't use that disputed content they were using before. Good Interracial sites are not so rare anymore so it's simply harder to sell BOB's 1 month but sure still can be done. Also, # of initial to rebill wasn't extraordinary with BOB but # of months for each members that went for rebills was amazing but so it is prolly for most niched original sites. I would like to see a trial added to BOB only if it had much more content than it did in the past and a real archive for movies, otherwise, BOB's better off with 1 month cos for a good # trials to rebill may require more.

Do I still know it?

[dig420]

darkcavern.com will soon be open for reseller traffic

[MejOn]

GreenDollars.com for your shemale and gay traffic
Rigth now I do very well on their sites without trials.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by seven

Believe it or not I'm usually still pretty busy counting my money A minute part of it still comes from BOB too This is the longest I ever hung out on gfy making me look not busy huh? But look at the small # of my posts.. No it's not cos there are million webmasters promoting BOB, as the matter of fact, I see much fewer promoting it now then when I was hitting it hard. What killed BOB's sales for me are sites like the one in my sig, monstersofcocks.com, blackbroswhitehoes.com, 24 inches of pain etc. just to name a few.. not to mention the fact that BOB couldn't use that disputed content they were using before. Good Interracial sites are not so rare anymore so it's simply harder to sell BOB's 1 month but sure still can be done. Also, # of initial to rebill wasn't extraordinary with BOB but # of months for each members that went for rebills was amazing but so it is prolly for most niched original sites. I would like to see a trial added to BOB only if it had much more content than it did in the past and a real archive for movies, otherwise, BOB's better off with 1 month cos for a good # trials to rebill may require more.

Do I still know it?

Ahh quit it.

You probably own those sites you are talking about so that shit don't count. I don't own BOB so I'm impartial.