Webmaster Program Details Clarification

[corvette]

I realize that somebody had reposted what we had placed in our admin, please allow me to clarify and further explain:

During the initial setup of a CCBill Affiliate Program account, we require our webmasters to walk through how they would like the options of the account set up. While setting those options, Webmasters are offered a choice at the end of the setup wizard which will disable any previous settings and allow for unlimited number of rebills to be paid out to their affiliates, based on their revenue sharing model. Setting this flag disables ALL previous set options for the revenue sharing program model.

During the process of setting up their CCBill affiliate program, it is possible that some Webmasters were presented with the following scenarios while configuring their options in their affiliate system:[list=1][*]They set them based on an expected program model[*]They were unsure of how to configure them and upon contacting our Client/Technical Support were advised how the system performed, thus they later disabled those settings using the aforementioned option, which would allow for unlimited rebills.[/list=1]
When we initially released the affiliate program setup reporting yesterday, we had incorrectly shown those settings in cases where the flag was checked on the account. Doing so would show program settings on the account that were not actually occurring on the account, with regards to affiliate payouts.

Fortunately, this issue was brought to our attention quickly, and during our investigation of this matter, we found that only a small number of accounts had the incorrect settings listed in the affiliate admin. This issue has been corrected and the accounts that had their flag set AND were reporting anything other than the default ?0? rebills, should now have all of their settings correctly listed. Please accept our apologies for this miscommunications, and please be assured that we will be watching the system closely to make sure that there are not any further inaccuracies in the reporting of this information on our side.

This oversight on our part may have caused certain clients? programs to appear as if they had stopped paying after a specified number of rebills. This reporting error has been corrected and the proper program attributes should now be appearing. As a reminder, this was a reporting error only, actual transaction processing and recording was in no way affected.

[Holly]

[Ray@TastyDollars]

"This oversight on our part may have caused certain clients? programs to appear as if they had stopped paying after a specified number of rebills"


Have any affiliates of the accused come forward and confirm that their sign-ups reccured more than once?

[slapass]

There is a thread with screen caps showing that rebills were not paid on perfection girls.

Edit: Here is the thread <a href="http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=217887">here</a>

[Nickless]

so the default was "0" and not "1" as perfectioncash had?

[Va2k]

So Jeff wasnt bullshitting? Good to see you came to the rescue and I just love how everyone jumped on the bandwagon and bashed away lmao Hell after readingthat thread I was thinking the same thing, but if you say it was your companys(ccbill) mistake then there should be some people saying sorry to jeff ! *shrugs* I don't know him just feels wrong if he really didnt have anything to do with it. just my

Tom

[Holly]

When you checked your admin area, did it say anything about why Jeff doesn't pay his designers? Just wondering if there is a "pay what you owe you sorry fuck" option that you could enable on your end.

[JSA Matt]

How come, and I quote, "only a small number of accounts had the incorrect settings listed in the affiliate admin"?

What other accounts were "incorrect"?

This thread smells...

[greentea]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=217887

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by corvett
As a reminder, this was a reporting error only, actual transaction processing and recording was in no way affected.

Can you specify and confirm if aff. webmasters promoting PerfectionGirls have always been paid for ALL their rebills?

[skillfull]

ccbill covering crook
sad but now i wil not send a single raw hit to anyone using ccbill

[OneHungLo]

Originally posted by JSA Matt
How come, and I quote, "only a small number of accounts had the incorrect settings listed in the affiliate admin"?

What other accounts were "incorrect"?

This thread smells...

It does, and it would seriously be disturbing to say the least if ccbill was covering for these guys

[Va2k]

Originally posted by skillfull
ccbill covering crook
sad but now i wil not send a single raw hit to anyone using ccbill

oh NOoooooooooooo you going to bring down the net with your leet traffic, lol



sry just picking


TOM

[Ride]

Interesting....

[Nickless]

got it now:

This issue has been corrected and the accounts that had their flag set AND were reporting anything other than the default ?0? rebills, should now have all of their settings correctly listed.

the glitch applies to the other programs showing '0' as rebill.
Perfectioncash had it at '1', ccbill is not covering jeff's ass with this announcement.

[BradShaw]

Just a thought. If these sponsors were using this feature to shave, and webmasters pulled their traffic, CCBILL loses $.

Something smells fishy here. Jeff and his childish behavior of the past, nothing would surprise me.

Regardless, partnership programs are not where people should be sending their traffic. Check out the exits of the biggest programs, how many partnership program links do you see in there? 1%? Success leaves clues.

[JSA Matt]

Originally posted by Nickless
got it now:



the glitch applies to the other programs showing '0' as rebill.
Perfectioncash had it at '1', ccbill is not covering jeff's ass with this announcement.

They didn't mention the fact that Jeff was on here talking about how he called ccbill and they told him something about it being set to 99..

This thread is starting to stink, bad..

[Va2k]

Originally posted by Nickless
got it now:



the glitch applies to the other programs showing '0' as rebill.
Perfectioncash had it at '1', ccbill is not covering jeff's ass with this announcement.

[Rich]

Wow, 10 minutes ago I had respect for Corvette and ccbill, now I'll never use them again. What a joke.

Explain the screenshots from people who have proved they have only been paid once for members who have rebilled multiple times. Putting your credibility on the line by lying to save a scammer like Jeff's ass is pretty fucking stupid.

[washiez]

Did jeff pay CC bill in half too?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Nickless
got it now:



the glitch applies to the other programs showing '0' as rebill.
Perfectioncash had it at '1', ccbill is not covering jeff's ass with this announcement.

Nope, 0 is the default, which is unlimited. They are covering Jeff's ass with this announcement. Read it again.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by corvett
I realize that somebody had reposted what we had placed in our admin, please allow me to clarify and further explain:

During the initial setup of a CCBill Affiliate Program account, we require our webmasters to walk through how they would like the options of the account set up. While setting those options, Webmasters are offered a choice at the end of the setup wizard which will disable any previous settings and allow for unlimited number of rebills to be paid out to their affiliates, based on their revenue sharing model. Setting this flag disables ALL previous set options for the revenue sharing program model.

During the process of setting up their CCBill affiliate program, it is possible that some Webmasters were presented with the following scenarios while configuring their options in their affiliate system:[list=1][*]They set them based on an expected program model[*]They were unsure of how to configure them and upon contacting our Client/Technical Support were advised how the system performed, thus they later disabled those settings using the aforementioned option, which would allow for unlimited rebills.[/list=1]
When we initially released the affiliate program setup reporting yesterday, we had incorrectly shown those settings in cases where the flag was checked on the account. Doing so would show program settings on the account that were not actually occurring on the account, with regards to affiliate payouts.

Fortunately, this issue was brought to our attention quickly, and during our investigation of this matter, we found that only a small number of accounts had the incorrect settings listed in the affiliate admin. This issue has been corrected and the accounts that had their flag set AND were reporting anything other than the default ?0? rebills, should now have all of their settings correctly listed. Please accept our apologies for this miscommunications, and please be assured that we will be watching the system closely to make sure that there are not any further inaccuracies in the reporting of this information on our side.

This oversight on our part may have caused certain clients? programs to appear as if they had stopped paying after a specified number of rebills. This reporting error has been corrected and the proper program attributes should now be appearing. As a reminder, this was a reporting error only, actual transaction processing and recording was in no way affected.

So what is the plan if someone has it turned off, but then for a certain amount of time turns it on with no rebills...and then turns it back off, then on, then off, etc....?? Will this be shown or noted anywhere?

[elric]

Originally posted by corvett
I realize that somebody had reposted what we had placed in our admin, please allow me to clarify and further explain:

During the initial setup of a CCBill Affiliate Program account, we require our webmasters to walk through how they would like the options of the account set up. While setting those options, Webmasters are offered a choice at the end of the setup wizard which will disable any previous settings and allow for unlimited number of rebills to be paid out to their affiliates, based on their revenue sharing model. Setting this flag disables ALL previous set options for the revenue sharing program model.

During the process of setting up their CCBill affiliate program, it is possible that some Webmasters were presented with the following scenarios while configuring their options in their affiliate system:[list=1][*]They set them based on an expected program model[*]They were unsure of how to configure them and upon contacting our Client/Technical Support were advised how the system performed, thus they later disabled those settings using the aforementioned option, which would allow for unlimited rebills.[/list=1]
When we initially released the affiliate program setup reporting yesterday, we had incorrectly shown those settings in cases where the flag was checked on the account. Doing so would show program settings on the account that were not actually occurring on the account, with regards to affiliate payouts.

Fortunately, this issue was brought to our attention quickly, and during our investigation of this matter, we found that only a small number of accounts had the incorrect settings listed in the affiliate admin. This issue has been corrected and the accounts that had their flag set AND were reporting anything other than the default ?0? rebills, should now have all of their settings correctly listed. Please accept our apologies for this miscommunications, and please be assured that we will be watching the system closely to make sure that there are not any further inaccuracies in the reporting of this information on our side.

This oversight on our part may have caused certain clients? programs to appear as if they had stopped paying after a specified number of rebills. This reporting error has been corrected and the proper program attributes should now be appearing. As a reminder, this was a reporting error only, actual transaction processing and recording was in no way affected.

Hi Corvett-

First, thanks for publishing this info to affiliates in the first place - you said you would deliver and you came through... BIG TIME. It is a smart move that gives affiliates extra incentive to send our traffic to CCBill sponsors.

But I have a couple of questions:

1. This "glitch" story is weak - I and many others have checked our stats for sponsors caught shaving rebills, and found that rebills were not being paid out. One guy posted screen caps showing that he had only been paid once for a customer who had been rebilled multiple times. So here's the question: "Why did this "glitch" only affect a few sponsors, and why were CCBill's support people telling a different story last night?"

2. What about the other shaving options still available to sponsors within CCBill? In particular, the "Account Suspension" option - currently a sponsor can mark an affiliate as "SUSPENDED" at will. The affiliate DOES NOT receive any notification that a suspension has occurred, and all signups are credited to the sponsor WITH NO REVSHARE GOING TO THE AFFILIATE. The sponsor can then "unsuspend" the affiliate account after a few hours or days and the affiliate will begin getting signup credit again. This means that a sponsor could shave 10% of all signups (and all the rebills from those signups) each month, simply by "suspending" an affiliate account for 3 days out of each month. So here's my question: When will affiliates be able to see whether our account has been "suspended" by sponsors? There is no practical reason to hide this info from us is there?

[psyko514]

I'd like to hear a list of which programs were affected and which ones were not affected.

[masta flash]

Originally posted by BradShaw
Just a thought. If these sponsors were using this feature to shave, and webmasters pulled their traffic, CCBILL loses $.

Something smells fishy here. Jeff and his childish behavior of the past, nothing would surprise me.

That is what I was saying..

[masta flash]

Originally posted by elric


Hi Corvett-

First, thanks for publishing this info to affiliates in the first place - you said you would deliver and you came through... BIG TIME. It is a smart move that gives affiliates extra incentive to send our traffic to CCBill sponsors.

But I have a couple of questions:

1. This "glitch" story is weak - I and many others have checked our stats for sponsors caught shaving rebills, and found that rebills were not being paid out. One guy posted screen caps showing that he had only been paid once for a customer who had been rebilled multiple times. So here's the question: "Why did this "glitch" only affect a few sponsors, and why were CCBill's support people telling a different story last night?"
[/B]

Yeah, this new system was just recently released. People weren't paid for rebills long before this system. I don't have anything against cc bill or any of their staff. But this story just isn't very believable.

[- Jesus Christ -]

Wow, your so full of shit.

Explain this.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=217887

[rooster]

yea, and what about the ones that had 1 rebill , 2 rebills, 6 rebills.

heh

[pamphage]

lol. according to this then, there were NO affiliates whatsosever who were skimming with that option.

that means all ccbill affiliate programs were a 100% honest even when they had opportunity to not be so.

yeah fucking right.

[psyko514]

Apparently KittenCash (Strip Kittens) now pays on all rebills, despite the fact that they don't rebill...

[bigdog]

Originally posted by BradShaw
Just a thought. If these sponsors were using this feature to shave, and webmasters pulled their traffic, CCBILL loses $.

Something smells fishy here. Jeff and his childish behavior of the past, nothing would surprise me.

Regardless, partnership programs are not where people should be sending their traffic. Check out the exits of the biggest programs, how many partnership program links do you see in there? 1%? Success leaves clues.

exactly pps or die

[rooster]

I was right on my theory all along of what would happen.

Its the logical thing. CCB|ll is in a tough spot. They dont want to see somewhat big programs go down the tubes and lose that money.

But on the other hand, what price can one put on integrity. Its not their fault guys like PG are cheating bitches. Let them fend for themself. Webmasters would have alot more respect for it

[psyko514]

Even worse, Dawn's Cash (from www.dawnsplace.com) now pays on all rebills, despite the fact that she was using this feature legitimately to stop paying after 1 rebill.

From the front page of her Webmasters' page:

I am pleased to announce my 50/50 Affiliate Webmaster Program. Even while you are sleeping you will make money with my busty amateur site!

Here is how it works. You will receive 50% of the signup AND 50% of the first renewal!

So she intentionally set up her account to stop paying after one rebill, but now apparently (according the CCBill), this is something that was setup due to a glitch and CCBill has changed her account to payout on unlimited rebills (despite her wishes).

So how deep does this rabbit hole go?

[Nickless]

am i wrong here or i've been shaved 13 rebills?

(1/2/2003 to 1/1/2004 - perfectioncash)

5 rebills paid for:
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...sp?id_=7519056

18 'real' rebills total:
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...sp?id_=7519057

not a lot of money, in fact jeff can keep it. But i'm using other ccbill sponsors and it would suck to have the same 'glitch'

BTW, thanks for the new features, it was a great move, glitch or not.

[OneHungLo]

Originally posted by rooster
yea, and what about the ones that had 1 rebill , 2 rebills, 6 rebills.

heh

No shit, I'd like an answer to that.


You guys fucked up bigtime on this one.

[[Brian]]

Originally posted by psyko514
Even worse, Dawn's Cash (from www.dawnsplace.com) now pays on all rebills, despite the fact that she was using this feature legitimately to stop paying after 1 rebill.

From the front page of her Webmasters' page:


So she intentionally set up her account to stop paying after one rebill, but now apparently (according the CCBill), this is something that was setup due to a glitch and CCBill has changed her account to payout on unlimited rebills (despite her wishes).

So how deep does this rabbit hole go?

[nobull]

i have an CCBill account that was not affected by these changes...all my webmaster payouts and settings were not changed

[HarlotCash Dyker]

Originally posted by BradShaw
Just a thought. If these sponsors were using this feature to shave, and webmasters pulled their traffic, CCBILL loses $.

Something smells fishy here. Jeff and his childish behavior of the past, nothing would surprise me.

Regardless, partnership programs are not where people should be sending their traffic. Check out the exits of the biggest programs, how many partnership program links do you see in there? 1%? Success leaves clues.

Is everybody here a noob?
If so - I will explain this post with some much needed honesty -

1st of all, Mark NEVER mentioned perfectiongirls - Did he have reason to omit that?

And the biggest companies: I know Bradshow has real sites with real content - So I can not understand this post -
The biggest companies do not usually offer rebilling for one reason - They get a fucking pathetic % of members stay that rebilling options to webmasters would kill their programmes.

Instead - They have a few immediate cross sells (The same way a bookie lays off larger bets). A couple of cross sells will bring in an extra few dollars -
Then there is the immediate upsell - Usually offered before the surfer gets to the members area - This brings in a few more dollars -
Then their is a members area full of up sells -
Member may buy/certaily leaves - Then his email is spammed to death -
This is the bigger company website -
Lets-get-fucking-rich-quick-fuck-the-member-fuck-everybody.

One single company can not run a pps without using 2 or (many) more as support - Simple as that.
Sites that recur can stand alone -
I started this monologue about Mark omitting names -
Mark had very good reasons to use names in his reply, and to ommit them, too - If ccbill made a mistake over a certain programme who had been blasted over the boards for cheating - When they hadn't cheated - Then to cover themselves for future litigation, ccbill would have cleard those individual names.
Quite simply, they didn't.
Jeff - If you are in the right - You now have a wide open door to clear yourself and cover any losses.

[blackmonsters]

Originally posted by corvett
I realize that somebody had reposted what we had placed in our admin, please allow me to clarify and further explain:

During the initial setup of a CCBill Affiliate Program account, we require our webmasters to walk through how they would like the options of the account set up. While setting those options, Webmasters are offered a choice at the end of the setup wizard which will disable any previous settings and allow for unlimited number of rebills to be paid out to their affiliates, based on their revenue sharing model. Setting this flag disables ALL previous set options for the revenue sharing program model.

During the process of setting up their CCBill affiliate program, it is possible that some Webmasters were presented with the following scenarios while configuring their options in their affiliate system:[list=1][*]They set them based on an expected program model[*]They were unsure of how to configure them and upon contacting our Client/Technical Support were advised how the system performed, thus they later disabled those settings using the aforementioned option, which would allow for unlimited rebills.[/list=1]
When we initially released the affiliate program setup reporting yesterday, we had incorrectly shown those settings in cases where the flag was checked on the account. Doing so would show program settings on the account that were not actually occurring on the account, with regards to affiliate payouts.

Fortunately, this issue was brought to our attention quickly, and during our investigation of this matter, we found that only a small number of accounts had the incorrect settings listed in the affiliate admin. This issue has been corrected and the accounts that had their flag set AND were reporting anything other than the default ?0? rebills, should now have all of their settings correctly listed. Please accept our apologies for this miscommunications, and please be assured that we will be watching the system closely to make sure that there are not any further inaccuracies in the reporting of this information on our side.

This oversight on our part may have caused certain clients? programs to appear as if they had stopped paying after a specified number of rebills. This reporting error has been corrected and the proper program attributes should now be appearing. As a reminder, this was a reporting error only, actual transaction processing and recording was in no way affected.

And another thing...


PS:

[masta flash]

Originally posted by psyko514
Even worse, Dawn's Cash (from www.dawnsplace.com) now pays on all rebills, despite the fact that she was using this feature legitimately to stop paying after 1 rebill.

From the front page of her Webmasters' page:


So she intentionally set up her account to stop paying after one rebill, but now apparently (according the CCBill), this is something that was setup due to a glitch and CCBill has changed her account to payout on unlimited rebills (despite her wishes).

So how deep does this rabbit hole go?

Damn, shit is building. To me it looks like people were actualy skimming. And in a fuss to get everything hidden, they changed other affiliate programs too. That means the settings it was showing were correct.

[pamphage]

Originally posted by Nickless
am i wrong here or i've been shaved 13 rebills?

(1/2/2003 to 1/1/2004 - perfectioncash)

5 rebills paid for:
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...sp?id_=7519056

18 'real' rebills total:
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub...sp?id_=7519057

not a lot of money, in fact jeff can keep it. But i'm using other ccbill sponsors and it would suck to have the same 'glitch'

BTW, thanks for the new features, it was a great move, glitch or not.

this backs up what rowan has posted. awesome.

[Carrie]

All I gotta say is that if you're at Internext today, be careful shaking palms.
There are a LOT of them that have been greased up better than an anal whore, and you wouldn't want to get your clothes dirty.

[pamphage]

[Digipimp]

This thread makes me smile CCBill does care about me.

[CrazyNakedChick]

full disclosure of all information should be the new standard, it only helps honest people in the long run.

anyone that has joined my affiliate program from it's birth will see:

-----
Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills

Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills
-----

it's always been that way and it will never change. i sit here happy as a pig in shit to spam my honest program.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net



Can you specify and confirm if aff. webmasters promoting PerfectionGirls have always been paid for ALL their rebills?

[SomeCreep]

Originally posted by corvett
we found that only a small number of accounts had the incorrect settings listed in the affiliate admin.

This oversight on our part may have caused certain clients? programs to appear as if they had stopped paying after a specified number of rebills.

That error pretty much ruined those sponsors reputations, at least here on GFY. What a costly mistake.

[SoundMan]

looks like time to make new sites and use ibill-verotel

[Mr.Fiction]

Disappointing "explanation" from CCBill.

[Nickless]

Originally posted by SoundMan
looks like time to make new sites and use ibill-verotel

why? do they show the webmasters rebill settings now?

there's no reason to push anything else than ccbill programs, unless the other processors add account status (on/suspended) in addition to the rebill info. that would make a 100% transparent affiliate system, and shave-proof if you add a spider to check sponsor's signup pages for changes.