question about MPA2

[Nima]

lets say it only uses 1 proccesor such as CCBILL
is it possible for CCbill to still send out the checks to the webmasters?

[Nima]

anybody?

[Krome]

No it doesnt as it does not interact with the processor on an affiliate level.

www.reboom.com are doing cascading which will enable the processor to do the pay out.

[Dirty F]

Originally posted by Nezster
anybody?

Dude, you posted 7 mins ago? Give it some time.

[Dirty F]

There you are.

[OY]

Originally posted by Nezster
lets say it only uses 1 proccesor such as CCBILL
is it possible for CCbill to still send out the checks to the webmasters?

No. And why would you? Better to be in full control yourself as the program owner.

Send the payout file to i.e. Electracash.com ([email protected]) and have them do it for a small fee (per check) - Ask for MPA2PAY and he will set it up for you. Lots of programs already do and more will in the time to come.

PS. Dont use just one processor... NEVER lay all your eggs in one basket! Ever!

PPS. MPA2

PPPS. JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!!! XBIZ AWARDS

[Tipsy]

Run by great people too. I think more to the point you have to ask yourself can you afford NOT to use MPA2?

[Why]

for 12k you could easily pay someone else to write a better piece of software.

[OY]

Originally posted by Why
for 12k you could easily pay someone else to write a better piece of software.

I am sure there are...

PS. MPA2 does not cost 12K

[Why]

what is it 13k?

ill correct myself then, you could easily have better software written for $5k.

all im saying is that canned software will never do what you need it to do. and they (from what i hear) will charge you extra to alter it to your needs. so you might as well just get something written to your exact specifications.

[JDog]

Originally posted by Nezster
lets say it only uses 1 proccesor such as CCBILL
is it possible for CCbill to still send out the checks to the webmasters?

Nope sorry!

jDoG

[OY]

It is 2,5K plus rent

[JDog]

Originally posted by Oystein
It is 2,5K plus rent

What if it is bought? Not leased?

jDoG

[Why]

Originally posted by Oystein
It is 2,5K plus rent

not selling outright anymore?

[JDog]

Originally posted by Why
what is it 13k?

ill correct myself then, you could easily have better software written for $5k.

all im saying is that canned software will never do what you need it to do. and they (from what i hear) will charge you extra to alter it to your needs. so you might as well just get something written to your exact specifications.

This is true! You end up paying for someone else to fix it and customize it to your liking. Which will be easier to have someone program one for you!

jDoG

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by JDog


This is true! You end up paying for someone else to fix it and customize it to your liking. Which will be easier to have someone program one for you!

jDoG

Hmmm...interesting notion. Several flaws with that if you think about it.

[JDog]

Originally posted by Tipsy


Hmmm...interesting notion. Several flaws with that if you think about it.

Several flaws with what? There are fixes for it, but MPA will take care of those, but if you want to customize the affiliate layouts to your liking, it costs a arm and a leg!

jDoG

[OY]

Originally posted by Why
not selling outright anymore?

You want to buy it outright? Send me another email and I will send you a quote...

PS. But only if you want to make more money and have enough transactions for it to be economically sound. (to buy it outright that is...)

[Nima]

so there is a $2500 setup fee with the $300/month version??
also besides electracash which other service is good to use for having someone send outthe checks to the webmasters etc..

Oystein can I talk to you on ICQ real quick please? 63125103

I messaged you but no reply

[Nima]

also I just replied to your email! check it and give me a call

thanks

[Matt_WildCash]

Its $2500 + $300 rent each month which pays for some tech support if you have any. The $2500 deal they had when we purchased it was pretty damn good, that $2500 goes straight to VISA for 3 processors, so your setup with CCbill, Epoch & (Jettis) nothing extra to pay.

If you want to make big changes like moving everything to a new server or custom changes they will charge you for it. But they have been reasonable with these extra pricings.

MPA2 is kickass for people to startup a great cascading affilate program for $2500 + rent. And that $2500 you would of had to pay to VISA anyways, so your saving a lot of money upfront.

Highly suggest mpa2 to any program owners. Our new program www.wildcash.com is really kicking ass using there software and the cascading really does help improve sales A LOT. Programs not using cascading are honestly losing 20%-25%+ of their money.

[Why]

yes its good software, but without source it just seems in vein. your affiliate program seems like something a person would want a lot of control over. and no source really cuts your amount of control over it. what if enough affiliates complained to you about wanting the reports to look differant, you couldnt just go in real quick and change them, you would have to wait(and pay) for someone else to come and edit it.

what works for some doesnt work for all. this is not directed at any particular affilaite software, but rather all that dont provide source.

[BradShaw]

We did not buy MPA 2 for a new venture because lack of access to the source. Also I was concerned with some of the fraud protection, or lack thereof. Running an affiliate program for 6 years, I know how important tracking webmaster fraud is.

Overall, it is the best readily product available right now. True Stats is good, but when they told me their programmers were going on vacation, I laughed and took my biz elsewhere.

We decided to create our own, from scratch. Wait another month and our new Executive Stats solution will be available. But the price will start at $10k+, as nothing compares to it.

[Why]

brad, be sure to leave the shave feature out of the demo.

[[Brian]]

'Why' is the most annoying person on GFY. That's all.

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by Why
brad, be sure to leave the shave feature out of the demo.

There will be no shave feature built into the program, period.

[Why]

Originally posted by [Brian]
'Why' is the most annoying person on GFY. That's all.

thats great coming from someone with 207 posts.... i think its someone elses old nick trying to talk shit... why you have to hide?

[Why]

Originally posted by BradShaw


There will be no shave feature built into the program, period.

good man. good to hear too.

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by Why
good man. good to hear too.

We are building what we believe to be the most complete, comprehensive solution for professional webmasters. But our prices will reflect the quality. I do not consider MPA2 to be competition. We are targeting different markets.

With the new 1% visa rules, controlling webmaster fraud is more important than ever......

I paid $50k back in the day for CE's stats program.........

[Why]

isnt true stats to the tune of $50k as well?

[Nima]

Originally posted by Driven
Its $2500 + $300 rent each month which pays for some tech support if you have any. The $2500 deal they had when we purchased it was pretty damn good, that $2500 goes straight to VISA for 3 processors, so your setup with CCbill, Epoch & (Jettis) nothing extra to pay.

If you want to make big changes like moving everything to a new server or custom changes they will charge you for it. But they have been reasonable with these extra pricings.

MPA2 is kickass for people to startup a great cascading affilate program for $2500 + rent. And that $2500 you would of had to pay to VISA anyways, so your saving a lot of money upfront.

Highly suggest mpa2 to any program owners. Our new program www.wildcash.com is really kicking ass using there software and the cascading really does help improve sales A LOT. Programs not using cascading are honestly losing 20%-25%+ of their money.

can you hit me up on ICQ 63125103
thanks

[BradShaw]

Originally posted by Why
isnt true stats to the tune of $50k as well?

It may be. But I am not about to buy software from a company who tells me that their programmers are going on vacation. Therefore, they could not get the software installed for months. This is the internet, months are years.

[OY]

Originally posted by Driven
Its $2500 + $300 rent each month which pays for some tech support if you have any. The $2500 deal they had when we purchased it was pretty damn good, that $2500 goes straight to VISA for 3 processors, so your setup with CCbill, Epoch & (Jettis) nothing extra to pay.

If you want to make big changes like moving everything to a new server or custom changes they will charge you for it. But they have been reasonable with these extra pricings.

MPA2 is kickass for people to startup a great cascading affilate program for $2500 + rent. And that $2500 you would of had to pay to VISA anyways, so your saving a lot of money upfront.

Highly suggest mpa2 to any program owners. Our new program www.wildcash.com is really kicking ass using there software and the cascading really does help improve sales A LOT. Programs not using cascading are honestly losing 20%-25%+ of their money.

Thank you Driven... And yes, it does make a lot of sense.

Nezster - Email and ICQ sent

Why - The reason why we do not give out source for most of our program is due to the fact that if we do these things will happen:

1. Program will either be sold as a copy or just given away to other webmasters. We are merely protecting our property and business
2. If we let webmasters play around with our code, and then perhaps (and more than likely) mess the code up, who do you think they will call when the program dont work? Well, I think they will call Mansion and ask us to fix their mess. Problem with that is that we then would not know WHAT they did with the codes to mess it up and the "I did this, you did this, I didnt do anything...." and so on. Who would get stuck with the support bill then? Not us... Not you, not us, not you, not us... It is just better to keep the cards straight so that this will be a non issue. We have seen that with the few things we do leave as "open source" webmasters still seem to manage to mess up from time to time. And that is for the most easy to modify modules. So we learn from experience.

[OY]

I accidentally submitted the last post before I was done, so here comes the rest...

Brad - All respect to you for your decision. I am sure we will have plenty of other things to do together at a later junction

As for "the lack of fraud protection" - this will be a non issue with our next upgrade coming in Jan. 2004 - that upgrade will even blow away our current version of MPA2
After over 1,5 years of 60+ program owners using MPA2 we have not experienced more than normal webmaster fraud. Actually less than we expected. I think the reason for this is that we work so close with the processors to make this a non issue. We are constantly improving the fraud prevention tools in MPA2. Brad is right, this is one of the most important things to be monitoring!

[bigdog]

Originally posted by BradShaw
We did not buy MPA 2 for a new venture because lack of access to the source. Also I was concerned with some of the fraud protection, or lack thereof. Running an affiliate program for 6 years, I know how important tracking webmaster fraud is.

Overall, it is the best readily product available right now. True Stats is good, but when they told me their programmers were going on vacation, I laughed and took my biz elsewhere.

We decided to create our own, from scratch. Wait another month and our new Executive Stats solution will be available. But the price will start at $10k+, as nothing compares to it.

nice

[Groove]

Originally posted by Oystein
PS. Dont use just one processor... NEVER lay all your eggs in one basket! Ever!
XBIZ AWARDS

A few questions...

Do you support Verotel, or any EU processors other than CCBill and Jettis?

Is there a $2,500 fee? (I see no mention of this on your site.)

Why do you still have Paypal listed as a processor?

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by Groove


Why do you still have Paypal listed as a processor?

I'm in the mood to answer that one for him - not everyone uses it for adult sites. By far the majority but not everyone. I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's wrong but from a couple of msgs from Oystein that very much seems to be the case.

[Darren]

out of curiousity do u still have contact with psw...

[OY]

Groove - In the new upgrade that is coming out this January we will have a new processor implemented that will cover both EU and Asia. Announcement will come shortly.

And Tipsy is absolutely right in her answer to you about PayPal. We cater to other industries than the adult too, not a lot yet, but we still do. So PayPal is a good alternative for them.

Darren - Yes we do.

[Darren]

Originally posted by Oystein
Groove - In the new upgrade that is coming out this January we will have a new processor implemented that will cover both EU and Asia. Announcement will come shortly.

And Tipsy is absolutely right in her answer to you about PayPal. We cater to other industries than the adult too, not a lot yet, but we still do. So PayPal is a good alternative for them.

Darren - Yes we do.

can u icq me then please 46335817

[bigdog]

Originally posted by BradShaw


We are building what we believe to be the most complete, comprehensive solution for professional webmasters. But our prices will reflect the quality. I do not consider MPA2 to be competition. We are targeting different markets.

With the new 1% visa rules, controlling webmaster fraud is more important than ever......

I paid $50k back in the day for CE's stats program.........

i still think the Cecash script is 50k

[OY]

Darren - you have an ICQ ping...

[Groove]

Is there a $2,500 setup fee?

[Zprogramz]

Originally posted by Oystein


Thank you Driven... And yes, it does make a lot of sense.

Nezster - Email and ICQ sent

Why - The reason why we do not give out source for most of our program is due to the fact that if we do these things will happen:

1. Program will either be sold as a copy or just given away to other webmasters. We are merely protecting our property and business
2. If we let webmasters play around with our code, and then perhaps (and more than likely) mess the code up, who do you think they will call when the program dont work? Well, I think they will call Mansion and ask us to fix their mess. Problem with that is that we then would not know WHAT they did with the codes to mess it up and the "I did this, you did this, I didnt do anything...." and so on. Who would get stuck with the support bill then? Not us... Not you, not us, not you, not us... It is just better to keep the cards straight so that this will be a non issue. We have seen that with the few things we do leave as "open source" webmasters still seem to manage to mess up from time to time. And that is for the most easy to modify modules. So we learn from experience.

Is there any extra charge to have Netbilling as the primary at setup time?

Z

[mryellow]

If the setup fee is for Visa registration can we please get a
refund, as we are not US webmasters and don't pay the $750 fee.

The software is well done, well coded, and well put together.

However there are plenty of situations where you'd want your
own software coded.

The software has been setup in a way which means that if you
want to do anything special your most likely going to need to buy
another licence before you'll be able to do it with MPA2. With a
few added bridge tables in the database the system could very
easily accommodate many, many, more features. However this
would mean you wouldn't have to pay more and MPA2 is smart
enough to get that money from you.

-Ben

[OY]

Groove - No. There is a $2,500 license fee where we also include setup.

Zprogramz - No. That is free of charge as long as you make sure to request it PRIOR to installation date. Also, Netbilling will waive their setup fee for any MPA2 customer.

mryellow/Ben - The license fee for MPA2 was $2,500 also before VISA started charging the registration fee. Mansion Productions then though it would be a nice thing to do to go in and take care of that for our customers that would need to pay that at that time and on. Whether you are a US company or not, the setup fee has been the same from day one.
Also, keep in mind that the database is yours to go in and "mess with" as much as you want. It is not encrypted. I am also sure that you will be very positively surprised once our upgrade comes out. You will be able to go in and change more than you have had the chance to do with it in todays version.

[garry]

I agree with everyone that say that the best would be to hire your own programmers and get your own program coded. BUT you must have patience then! To write a program with as many features as the mpa2 program has will take some time. And then you need time to and fine tune and bug test the program.

All of this is possible if you find a couple of programmers that are dedicated and will work hard for you while your program is getting coded. We have all heard the scary stories.

Now lets say all this goes well. Then in like 6 months Visa change some rule again. Or one of the processors dies. Then what ? You just cross your fingers and hope that the guy that wrote you this program is still in business and haven't started school or something.

Same goes for when you want things to be changed to your program as well. If you are not a programmer you will not be able to add or changed things to your program anyway. So you have to hire someone else for it.

Yes we charge extra if you want to have some extra features to the MPA2 program that is not standard. We couldn't afford having all these programmers on the payroll if we didn't. We offer 24/7 support simply because we know how important it is for our customers that their software is working all the time.

I must also add that you must have some good fantasy to be able to come up with something that is not already in the mpa2 program or will be in this January upgrade. And that's another great thing about the mpa2 program. You get all upgrades for free ! So no need to worry about Visa/master card changes, processors going down, or adding new features. Its all free !

[mryellow]

So US webmasters pay $250 for MPA2 setup and $2,250 to Visa and non-US webmasters pay $2,500 for MPA2 setup?

Can you see how that is wrong?

I don't have to pay that $2,250 for VISA so my setup cost should be the same as US webmasters.... $250.

-Ben

[makefuckingmoney]

I just wish there was more webmaster fraud sharing..

So we could ban all these fucks permanently

[OY]

Originally posted by mryellow
So US webmasters pay $250 for MPA2 setup and $2,250 to Visa and non-US webmasters pay $2,500 for MPA2 setup?

Can you see how that is wrong?

I don't have to pay that $2,250 for VISA so my setup cost should be the same as US webmasters.... $250.

-Ben

US and any other webmaster pay $2,500 for the rent license of MPA2, and this includes the setup, support and free upgrades.

For any US corp. that has to comply to the VISA registration rules we decided to help them out and pay that for them after the rule took effect last fall. I think we were and are pretty nice for doing just that. The price for the license was the same before VISA came with their fees last fall.

Sooo, again, we are not making it "more difficult or expensive" for non US webmasters, we are merely making it easier for anyone that happens to be affected by the VISA regulations by taking care of their VISA reg. fee.

PS. I think you accidentally had a 0 too little in the license fee price - it is not $250 it is $2,500

makefuckingmoney - we are working on that.