Creation or Evolution ?

[FATPad]

btw, you should have added a third option.

Something created the initial life cells then evolution took over after that.

Sort of a combo of both evolution and creation.

[EZRhino]

The poll results suprised that hell out of me, I didnt think there would be one vote for creation from this board.

[Donny]

Originally posted by JDog


Where's the evidence of creation? There's hell of a lot more proof of evolution, than creation!

jDoG

Look at your surroundings. There's proof everywhere. Think of how complex every living thing is. It was designed. It didn't 'just happen'.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Look at your surroundings. There's proof everywhere. Think of how complex every living thing is. It was designed. It didn't 'just happen'.

that's not proof, that's your inability to understand & accept the truth. For some people, the thought that this is all there really is and once you die that's it, is too much to bear, and hence, "God" is created to explain it all and give hope to there "being something more".

[gin]

i think about this shit everytime i get high, wondering where the fuck i came from and trying to look at the stars for some master creater or something, wondering if i just killed myself would i come back as a cricket? or a fly or something? i think we are in the simcity game!

[Donny]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

that's not proof, that's your inability to understand & accept the truth. For some people, the thought that this is all there really is and once you die that's it, is too much to bear, and hence, "God" is created to explain it all and give hope to there "being something more".

Not at all. I have no problems accepting that when I die, I'm dead. That's what I believe too.

But can you explain why there are no half-ape/half-man types walking around? Or half-fish/half-whatever ?

[BVF]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


The point is that nothing gets more complex. Papers put on a table don't put themselves in order, but rather get scattered.

Think Entropy. Disorder and randomness.

Huh?

Then why is it that the doctor tells you to take all of your antiobiotics? It's because if you don't, the bacteria that survives will procreate and make offspring that could be immune to modern medicine..

Why is it that bug spray companies continually have to come up with stronger and better pesticides? Because bugs evolve to become resistant to certain pesticides.....

You're comparing living things with inanimate objects like paper and cars.....

[Donny]

Originally posted by BVF


Huh?

Then why is it that the doctor tells you to take all of your antiobiotics? It's because if you don't, the bacteria that survives will procreate and make offspring that could be immune to modern medicine..

Why is it that bug spray companies continually have to come up with stronger and better pesticides? Because bugs evolve to become resistant to certain pesticides.....

You're comparing living things with inanimate objects like paper and cars.....

AS I'VE SAID (please read for comprehension this time):

I have no problem with "evolution" as defined "to change".

But to change from one species to another??

Once again: where are the half-apes/half-humans ?

[gin]

the goverment is aliens to! they set all the rules no one agree's to and say they hand count 5 bizillionmillinotrillion votes and come up with a conclusion, the president is an alien, they make people goto school so they can run their tests and see how much their project can evolve, im for reals i got crazy thoughts in my head

[Cirrus]

the answer is...... 42

[BVF]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips



Once again: where are the half-apes/half-humans ?

They're dead...they were called Australopithecus afarensis

[Donny]

Come on, darwinists! You have to some sort of explanation:

Where are the Half & Halfs? Where are the missing links?

[milambur]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


AS I'VE SAID (please read for comprehension this time):

I have no problem with "evolution" as defined "to change".

But to change from one species to another??

Once again: where are the half-apes/half-humans ?

We got over 90% dna in common with rats and like 99% in common with chimps... A chimp might probably be what you call a half human..

[BVF]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Come on, darwinists! You have to some sort of explanation:

Where are the Half & Halfs? Where are the missing links?

Here http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/austr...safarensis.htm

[FATPad]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Come on, darwinists! You have to some sort of explanation:

Where are the Half & Halfs? Where are the missing links?

That's kinda silly.

Where's the big creator who created us all? Come on you creationists.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
where are the half-apes/half-humans ?

the classic argument used by creationists. But it doesn't hold up, and it has already been answered in here once.

you're forgetting an important element of the evolutionary process Donovan: Survival of the fittest. That which can't adapt, dies.

You're looking at this whole thing like, there's a bunch of evolution, then stop. okay, where are we now... where's the half this and the half that? It's not an excersize bike at the gym. It doesn't work like that. You can't pause the process like a Tivo and point to something proclaiming it's not evolving.

what the hell is the duckbilled platypus? That's somebody's design? The thing is a freak of evolution.

[Donny]

Originally posted by BVF


They're dead...they were called Australopithecus afarensis

Yeah, that theory makes a lot of fucking sense, doesn't it? It takes millions of years to change... and at the end of those millions of years we still have apes and we now have humans too. But nothing at all lives in between. And there aren't even enough fossils/bones/etc to convince the scientific community.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

[Pornwolf]

[BVF]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Yeah, that theory makes a lot of fucking sense, doesn't it? It takes millions of years to change... and at the end of those millions of years we still have apes and we now have humans too. But nothing at all lives in between. And there aren't even enough fossils/bones/etc to convince the scientific community.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

No...YOU'RE that fucking stupid....Snakes evolved from lizards...You can still see the remnants of legs on snakes...But there are still snakes and there are still lizards....There's different species of all kinds of shit....A chimp and a Colubus (sp?) monkey are both monkeys but they are different species and not that similar

You asked for it, you got it, now you yell STUPID cause your ideas were proven worthless....

And only a straight DUMBASS would compare living things with a fucking car and paper....

[MattO]

I'm not even going to bother arguing in this thread.

Anyone who has actually looked and researched the available EVIDENCE and SCIENTIFIC PROOF won't have any doubts at the validity of Evolution.

It's easy to spout rhetoric about half-fish and monkey-men, try doing some reading.

http://www.talkorigins.org

[FATPad]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Yeah, that theory makes a lot of fucking sense, doesn't it? It takes millions of years to change... and at the end of those millions of years we still have apes and we now have humans too. But nothing at all lives in between. And there aren't even enough fossils/bones/etc to convince the scientific community.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

You were comparing car parts and paper to living creatures.

You have zero proof of a big invisible guy pulling humans out of his ass one day.

You're calling people stupid?

There is far more evidence to support the theory of evolution than there is evidence of some big invisible guy creating humans because he was bored.

There are holes in the theory of evolution, that is very true.

The theory of creationism is nothing but one big hole.

Where's the big invisible guy that created us? C'mon you creationist! Where is he?

According to you lack of proof of one thing is solid proof of another so you're lack of *ANY* proof regarding creationism must mean evolution is a fact.

[Buff]

"God didn't make Rambo -- I made him!"

[Donny]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


you're forgetting an important element of the evolutionary process Donovan: Survival of the fittest. That which can't adapt, dies.

Yet lives fine during the millions of years it took to change from one species to another...

You're looking at this whole thing like, there's a bunch of evolution, then stop. okay, where are we now... where's the half this and the half that? It's not an excersize bike at the gym. It doesn't work like that. You can't pause the process like a Tivo and point to something proclaiming it's not evolving.

No "stopping". What gives you that idea? It just makes no sense that there wouldn't be humans that walk around on their knuckles. Or apes that talk. Or creatures that look like a mixture of both man and ape.

what the hell is the duckbilled platypus? That's somebody's design? The thing is a freak of evolution.

This proves evolution to you?!? :

[JDog]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

that's not proof, that's your inability to understand & accept the truth. For some people, the thought that this is all there really is and once you die that's it, is too much to bear, and hence, "God" is created to explain it all and give hope to there "being something more".

That is why "God" was created. For relief that there is a after life. I agree 100% with you Amp.

In fact, I believe, there is nothing after death! But the keyword is "I believe." Everybody else, believe what you want. I frankly wouldn't want to have a afterlife, fuck, who in the hell would want to live forever in afterlife? Not me!

jDoG

[JDog]

Originally posted by gin
i think about this shit everytime i get high, wondering where the fuck i came from and trying to look at the stars for some master creater or something, wondering if i just killed myself would i come back as a cricket? or a fly or something? i think we are in the simcity game!

Are you high right now?

jDoG

[Donny]

Originally posted by FATPad
You have zero proof of a big invisible guy pulling humans out of his ass one day.

Did I say there was one creator? Where did I say that?

If our scientists can clone sheep (and humans most likely - if it weren't so "unethical") then why couldn't another race, of say humans, more intelligent than us create all that we know today?

Call them "aliens" if you wish.

[gin]

i can't stop thinking about it, and i was eating my big mac and i figured it out! ok check this

you know how we only use like 25% of our brain? we are inside of some huge computer that uses the 75% of our brain to store information and the other 25% of the brain to learn stuff and evolve to fix and build things. we all have parents, which teach us what to do and by doing this pass on everything they know which makes us a little bit smarter each generation. so we are a self learning computer memory system, which grows bigger and bigger because it is self learning. when we get into a car it's really a network wire and we are transfering data to another place. when we go in an airplane we are going thru the pentium 4 wire's and transfering data faster, which is a newer pentium chip so there is less chance of crashing and is much faster.

when we take a shower, people say we should shower once a day, (aka virus scanning our memory sector), when you get sick you caught a virus and will remain sick until you virus scan and if that doesn't work you goto the doctor (aka mcafee to get a virus update) , they have jails for bad memory sectors that just don't learn and will not update, so they put them all together to hope their bad sectors won't spread and the good sectors won't learn the wrong thing and study what they are doing.

i'll see you all on jay leno! i figured it out!

[FATPad]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Did I say there was one creator? Where did I say that?

If our scientists can clone sheep (and humans most likely - if it weren't so "unethical") then why couldn't another race, of say humans, more intelligent than us create all that we know today?

Call them "aliens" if you wish.

So where are they?

[JDog]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
you're forgetting an important element of the evolutionary process Donovan: Survival of the fittest. That which can't adapt, dies.

Exactly as I said eariler. They adapt to survive!

jDoG

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by JDog


That is why "God" was created. For relief that there is a after life.

precisely.... that and to provide a set of "rules" to live by in order to keep the masses in line. Notice how humans are the only animals that live by these "rules". Everything else on earth follows the only rule there truly is: Survival of the fittest.

[Donny]

Originally posted by FATPad
So where are they?

Who's to say they're not here with us? Especially if we look like them.

Or who's to say they aren't much more advance than us in space travel, and live somewhere we can't yet see or reach with our current technology?

That's not that hard a leap to take.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Who's to say they're not here with us? Especially if we look like them.

Or who's to say they aren't much more advance than us in space travel, and live somewhere we can't yet see or reach with our current technology?

That's not that hard a leap to take.

Ahhh.

So your theory is backed up by total lack of evidence, and the other theory that has a mountain of evidence is shot down by one missing piece?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Who's to say they're not here with us? Especially if we look like them.

Or who's to say they aren't much more advance than us in space travel, and live somewhere we can't yet see or reach with our current technology?

That's not that hard a leap to take.

who's to say YOU (we) aren't the half monkey - half whatever it is we're evolving into?

[JDog]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Notice how humans are the only animals that live by these "rules".

This is a very good point! I've never viewed it this way!

jDoG

[JDog]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


Who's to say they're not here with us? Especially if we look like them.

Or who's to say they aren't much more advance than us in space travel, and live somewhere we can't yet see or reach with our current technology?

That's not that hard a leap to take.

But if they created us, how the fuck did they get here to create us, so they have to be more advanced. And to created us that many thousands years ago, they have to way more fucking ADVANCED than us! Otherwise they didn't create us!

jDoG

[Donny]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

who's to say YOU (we) aren't the half monkey - half whatever it is we're evolving into?

And the in-between from us to monkeys?

[gin]

why don't some one get in a rocket ship, pack enough food for like 5 years and just go straight forever and ever and see where they end up, i'll do it

[JDog]

Originally posted by gin
why don't some one get in a rocket ship, pack enough food for like 5 years and just go straight forever and ever and see where they end up, i'll do it

I'm sure they thought about that! But how the FUCK do they get back. How the FUCK do they tell us what they found? Huh? They wouldn't make it back and they would die!

jDoG

[gin]

Originally posted by JDog


I'm sure they thought about that! But how the FUCK do they get back. How the FUCK do they tell us what they found? Huh? They wouldn't make it back and they would die!

jDoG

radio's, there is no gravity so there is nothing stopping anything from traveling, radio's will go forever in space, if you got the rocket ship going million miles per hour, you shut off the engine and it will cruise the whole time and never slow down

[Donny]

Originally posted by FATPad
Ahhh.

So your theory is backed up by total lack of evidence, and the other theory that has a mountain of evidence is shot down by one missing piece?

What you see as a mountain of evidence is not seen as evidence by the almost 50% of the scientific community that believes in creation.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


And the in-between from us to monkeys?

lol.... you can't get past that can you....

where's the half bear/half fish?
where's the half dinosaur/half bird?
where's the half bull/half goat?
where's the half dog/half three toed sloth?

humans have the ability to rationalize and speak and whatnot. Other animals do not. Does that mean we're better?

birds have the ability to fly, yet we do not. Perhaps the bird is superior.

do you honestly think some alien dropped us on this rock in a three piece suit with a briefcase and a cell phone?

open your eyes man.

or believe whatever you wanna believe.... that's your right. I don't need to convince anyone of anything... lol

peace/

AMp

[FATPad]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


What you see as a mountain of evidence is not seen as evidence by the almost 50% of the scientific community that believes in creation.

Then put forth some evidence of creation, aliens, or car parts creating all of us.

The only evidence you seem to have is a lack of any evidence which is somehow supposed to support your theory.

Using that logic, I created all of you, and there is no evidence supporting it because I want it that way.

[FATPad]

And quite honestly, I'm disappointed with my creation.

I'm calling a mulligan.

[gin]

Originally posted by gin
i can't stop thinking about it, and i was eating my big mac and i figured it out! ok check this

you know how we only use like 25% of our brain? we are inside of some huge computer that uses the 75% of our brain to store information and the other 25% of the brain to learn stuff and evolve to fix and build things. we all have parents, which teach us what to do and by doing this pass on everything they know which makes us a little bit smarter each generation. so we are a self learning computer memory system, which grows bigger and bigger because it is self learning. when we get into a car it's really a network wire and we are transfering data to another place. when we go in an airplane we are going thru the pentium 4 wire's and transfering data faster, which is a newer pentium chip so there is less chance of crashing and is much faster.

when we take a shower, people say we should shower once a day, (aka virus scanning our memory sector), when you get sick you caught a virus and will remain sick until you virus scan and if that doesn't work you goto the doctor (aka mcafee to get a virus update) , they have jails for bad memory sectors that just don't learn and will not update, so they put them all together to hope their bad sectors won't spread and the good sectors won't learn the wrong thing and study what they are doing.

i'll see you all on jay leno! i figured it out!

i really think my solution is the best

[Donny]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


lol.... you can't get past that can you....

where's the half bear/half fish?
where's the half dinosaur/half bird?
where's the half bull/half goat?
where's the half dog/half three toed sloth?

And you get past it way too easily, swallowing what you're taught in school.

I'm not swallowing what either side teaches.

I'll never believe evolution create all life, and I'll never believe in the "God" that the Bible teaches us about.

But I DO believe that some intelligence created the world WE know... as a science experiment or something. Whatever it was, life here was CREATED nonetheless.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


And you get past it way too easily, swallowing what you're taught in school.

I'm not swallowing what either side teaches.

I'll never believe evolution create all life, and I'll never believe in the "God" that the Bible teaches us about.

But I DO believe that some intelligence created the world WE know... as a science experiment or something. Whatever it was, life here was CREATED nonetheless.

you've been watching too much Star Trek.

[JDog]

Originally posted by gin
radio's, there is no gravity so there is nothing stopping anything from traveling, radio's will go forever in space, if you got the rocket ship going million miles per hour, you shut off the engine and it will cruise the whole time and never slow down

There is a lot of stuff stop interferring with signal. Meteriods, they will interfer. Planets in the way, that is a big interferance!

jDoG

[MattO]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


What you see as a mountain of evidence is not seen as evidence by the almost 50% of the scientific community that believes in creation.

alright, that's a flat out lie. 50%? Bullshit. The scientific community generally considerers creationists as crackpots.

The so-called "scientists" who espouse creation usually aren't even accredited in a related field.

[gin]

ok well im going to go transfer data from my house to get a dubb sack and back then smoke it and virus scan my memory while i sleep so i can wake up and clean my system with a shower and eat some food so i can charge up my memory battery

[CamChicks]

In a very short period of time, through selected breeding,
we humans intentionally "evolved" this:



into this:



and this:



the main difference in this evolution vs natural evolution is that it was people selecting the characteristics that were successful (passed on to future generations) vs the longer, more random, process of natural selection.