Evolution or Creation?

[woj]

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[Furious_Female]

I'd rather die believing in something, than live believing in nothing.

[ToyBoys]

I agree furious

[Loryn]

Originally posted by sacX



Evolution has obviously been one of the most contentious, rigourously tested theories there is. It has stood the test of time in science for a reason. There is not a better rational explanation.

Evolution!!

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Furious_Female
I'd rather die believing in something, than live believing in nothing.

Ignorance is bliss, eh? Not really a shock, coming from a republican pornographer

[uno]

Originally posted by chodadog


I'm not going to find every instance of evidence for you. I'm sure you can find google.com on your own, but here's a site about a museum in Texas.

http://www.creationevidence.org/

The guy that runs it is probably far more qualified than you and i. I'm not saying i agree with him, but again, to deny the existance of even <i>evidence</i> is just stupid. I'm not Christian. I believe in some form of God though. Quite frankly, what anyone else thinks about that means very little to me.

LOL. Did you read that site?

[uno]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
However my question to those is if you don't believe in a god, a heaven a hell etc...then knowing full well this could be the ONLY shot we get at existence what are you doing to make it worthwhile?

This is a question I ask myself when I begin to have doubts.

I hope there is a heaven, I hope there is a God, I guess more for the reason that I just hope that there will be something better than what we've been born into...LOL

Life sure can be cool at times, but it can also be extremely hard.

I do absolutely everything I can. I help other people before I help myself, I go do crazy things, travel a lot, and learn as much as possible.

[Thrawn$]

If you think you was a monkey back in a days then you probably still a monkey today!

[uno]

Originally posted by Furious_Female
I'd rather die believing in something, than live believing in nothing.

If it floats your boat to believe in something with absolutely zero evidence and blind faith be my guest. It's your life and if it helps you rationalize things or get over hurdles in the road of life, more power to ya.

[wizz]

Many things don't have a reasonable explanation with facts, so you beleive in some things or you don't.

[Furious_Female]

Originally posted by uno
If it floats your boat to believe in something with absolutely zero evidence and blind faith be my guest. It's your life and if it helps you rationalize things or get over hurdles in the road of life, more power to ya.

Unlike some people, I can believe in things I have never seen or touched. If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad right? Once I die, it won't make any difference if I lived believing in an afterlife that didn't exist. I can't do anything about it then! But for now... I am happy believing there's more than meets the eye.

And yes punkworld I am a Republican pornographer... with an open mind of my own. You should try having one someday

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by punkworld
Before taking the time to read this entire thread, let's make one thing clear:

Creationism is bullshit.

There are two major theories, namely creationism and the evolution theory. Those who believe in evolution theory say that looking at the evidence we now have, evolution theory or a variant thereof is the most likely explanation for the development and existence of advanced life on earth. Those who believe in creation theory say that the ancient magic book contains all the answers, and that the evolution theory still being incomplete clearly proves that the big ghost in the sky created everything.

Note how this has happened many times before in history. Once, people believed a big ghost in the sky caused thunderstorms by riding across the skies in his magic chariot. Then, science explained the true nature of thunderstorms. Once, people believed the big ghosts in the sky made it rain only if they sacrificed enough warriors. Then, science explained the true nature of rain. Etcetera. There are thousands of examples.

And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, the big ghost in the sky must be responsible.

Yesterday, I misplaced my keys. Finally found them, in a completely different place than I remembered. Now, would it be reasonable to assume that, since I have no conclusive natural explanation for what happened, the magic key-stealing leprechaun must have taken them and put them somewhere else?
Because that is essentially what creationists are saying.

actually, you seem to be confusing alot of things... and you forgot to include people who just dont know what the fuck happened... How can you believe that EVOLUTION is a sure thing!? WHat makes you think that it is impossible for a greater power to have created us? Because that would be supernatural and not Rational? How sure are you that there's no such thing as supernatural? Have you made some investigations?



as for that quote,

"And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, the big ghost in the sky must be responsible."

I can respond... And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, there must be a scientific explaination!

Why? Is there scientific proofs proving that the millions who experience supernatural situations are crazy or liars !?

[uno]

Originally posted by Furious_Female


Unlike some people, I can believe in things I have never seen or touched. If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad right? Once I die, it won't make any difference if I lived believing in an afterlife that didn't exist. I can't do anything about it then! But for now... I am happy believing there's more than meets the eye.

And yes punkworld I am a Republican pornographer... with an open mind of my own. You should try having one someday

As long as one does not make it an unhealthy practice, it can't be that bad. A little odd, but not bad. Lot's of people need religion for various pure purposes such as healing or providing guidance under a moral set. Others need it to molest young boys or justify a war. Please be the former and don't push it on other people.

[uno]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
I can respond... And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, there must be a scientific explaination!

Why? Is there scientific proofs proving that the millions who experience supernatural situations are crazy or liars !?

Actually there is scientific evidence.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally posted by uno
Actually there is scientific evidence.

Whatever professor

[Libertine]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
actually, you seem to be confusing alot of things... and you forgot to include people who just dont know what the fuck happened... How can you believe that EVOLUTION is a sure thing!? WHat makes you think that it is impossible for a greater power to have created us? Because that would be supernatural and not Rational? How sure are you that there's no such thing as supernatural? Have you made some investigations?



as for that quote,

"And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, the big ghost in the sky must be responsible."

I can respond... And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, there must be a scientific explaination!

Why? Is there scientific proofs proving that the millions who experience supernatural situations are crazy or liars !?

A creationist who apparently can't read. What a surprise.
Did I say evolution is a sure thing? No, I said that people who believe in evolution theory - of whom I am one - believe it or a variant of it to be the <b>most likely</b> theory. It may well be wrong, there might be a completely different explanation we haven't uncovered yet. Indeed, we don't know for sure. However, most evidence we have at this time seems to support evolutionary theory.

Now, saying that because we don't know it must've been the great spirit in the sky is just stupidity. Not because it's impossible, or the contrary has been proven, but because virtually no real evidence has been supplied to support the idea.
It's like the idea of the key-stealing leprechauns: you'll never be able to refute it, no matter how hard you try. Still, that doesn't make it any more likely, now does it?

As for:

"And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, the big ghost in the sky must be responsible."

I can respond... And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, there must be a scientific explaination!

So far, science has done a pretty good job explaining things. It gave us cars, computers, airplanes, space ships, nuclear bombs, photography, the internet, electricity, genetics, modern medicine, x-rays, particle accelerators, plastic, and a few million other things.

Religion and the supernatural, on the other hand, gave us... well, nothing. No conclusive evidence, no inventions derived from it, just an assload of dumb-ass theories. Religion told us earth was the centre of the universe and the solar system, religion told us the earth was flat, religion told us that disease was "punishment from the gods", religion told us that drought was caused by a lack of sacrifices, religion told us that earth is only a few thousand years old.

So far, in ALL cases, either science has already won or research is still pending. Not once did religion come out on top. If I'm mistaken, please do point me toward a serious experiment which can be replicated that shows the spirit in the sky is responsible for anything whatsoever.
And no, hicks claiming to have been anally probed by the virgin Maria is not evidence.

[theking]

Originally posted by punkworld


So far, science has done a pretty good job explaining things. It gave us cars, computers, airplanes, space ships, nuclear bombs, photography, the internet, electricity, genetics, modern medicine, x-rays, particle accelerators, plastic, and a few million other things.

Religion and the supernatural, on the other hand, gave us... well, nothing. No conclusive evidence, no inventions derived from it, just an assload of dumb-ass theories. Religion told us earth was the centre of the universe and the solar system, religion told us the earth was flat, religion told us that disease was "punishment from the gods", religion told us that drought was caused by a lack of sacrifices, religion told us that earth is only a few thousand years old.

So far, in ALL cases, either science has already won or research is still pending. Not once did religion come out on top. If I'm mistaken, please do point me toward a serious experiment which can be replicated that shows the spirit in the sky is responsible for anything whatsoever.
And no, hicks claiming to have been anally probed by the virgin Maria is not evidence.

Some evolutionists practice a form of religion (look up the various definitions of religion) and in doing so...those that eliminate in their minds the possibility of a creator...take a giant leap of faith that abiogenesis actually happened. Thus they have a belief...not unlike those that believe abiogenesis did not happen...but instead believe there was a creator.

[Joe Average]

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net




Whatever professor

Surely you could tell us some?

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by fiveyes
One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you; We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."



God listened very patiently and kindly to the man. After the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this? Let's say we have a man-making contest." To which the scientist replied, "Okay, great!" But, God added, "now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam." The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.

God looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt."

lol ..
exactly ...
God created evolution & the stars.

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by bdjuf
there was a scientist who, once, was able to CREATE life (Bacteria) by simulating the earths primitive stages in a sealed environment. He put electric shocks for the lightning, UV rays for sunlight, etc, and after a few days of procedure, he created 2 or 3 bacteria. After that, those bacteria combined themselves into creating a more complex one.

My bioligy teacher taught me this a few years back but I remember it VERY clearly. if anybody has a link to details about this experiment, plz forward it to me

The post after your original quote above is correct in that they were able to create the amino acids or more specifically the initial proteins necessary to build amino acids.

However, approximately a year ago it was announced on CNN that two chemists were able to create the polio virus chemically.
They chose the polio virus because it's DNA sequence is very well known.

I think these two will go down in History as having been the first to "create life". Yes - I know that most academics CURRENTLY do not think viruses are "life". I think that definition is changing as protoproteins and phages become more known.

By the time I had heard it on CNN and began as quick as possible to get the links and information - it had already been taken down. (Go figure in this world of terrorists.).