Gun Control

[katman]

What's your position on gun control?

I found a really funny website from a thread on another board: www.goodbyeguns.org/

The link about gun myths is especially funny because none of the real statistics are there and refuted.

New York City is the best statistical report. Handguns are banned. The only way to get a legal permit to carry is by the govenors signature (or so I understand), or to be employed by a police agency, military or security.

Still yet, the criminals find ways to get guns and kill people. The crime rate in New York is amazing, despite the fact it's illegal to carry a gun.

Since the criminals get the guns anyway, doesn't it make more sense to let the victims carry guns? Wouldn't that make the gun toting criminal think twice? IF they no longer had the upper hand, wouldn't crime have to go down?

In Texas if you try to mug a cowboy...it'd better have coffee in it.

In '94 I belive it was, they banned assault rifles...today there are still over 4 million of them out there.

Prohibition didn't work for alcohol either.

You're 60% more likely to be shot if your are part of a gang.

[Lane]

The *NUMBER ONE* cause of children's
deaths in the home is guns.

is that true?

[katman]

I think I heard that too.

[Odin88]

'When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them'

I am against radical gun control.

[zzgundamnzz]

Even if all guns were illegal the criminals would still have guns. Making guns illegal is just making the normal law abiding citizens into defensless sheep.

[Plan9]

In '94 I belive it was, they banned assault rifles...today there are still over 4 million of them out there.

Dont know the exact law, but Im pretty sure they only banned certain things about these guns. No automatic fire, certain flash suppresors, and other things 'qualify' a gun as an assault rifle. And Im pretty sure pre-ban guns (i.e. automatics that would be illegal to sell new now) can still be bought and sold legally.

By the way, for anyone that hasnt bought a gun...its laughably easy. i enjoy shooting, so last year I bought myself an AK-47, and several days ago I bought a shotgun. Both times, I paid in cash and was in and out of the store with the gun in less than 30 minutes. Im totally against gun control - but even I think that this was all too easy.

[Hairetsu]

3 days till good bye http://www.goodbyeguns.org/

[RedShoe]

11,200+ gun murders in America last year.
63 in Germany
65 in Japan

WE WIN!! WE WIN!!

[Hairetsu]

Originally posted by RedShoe
11,200+ gun murders in America last year.
63 in Germany
65 in Japan

WE WIN!! WE WIN!!

Americas population????? vs Germany/Japan's?????? not to mention illegal immagrants we have. those statistics MEAN NOTHING.

[Triple 6]

Originally posted by Plan9


Dont know the exact law, but Im pretty sure they only banned certain things about these guns. No automatic fire, certain flash suppresors, and other things 'qualify' a gun as an assault rifle. And Im pretty sure pre-ban guns (i.e. automatics that would be illegal to sell new now) can still be bought and sold legally.

By the way, for anyone that hasnt bought a gun...its laughably easy. i enjoy shooting, so last year I bought myself an AK-47, and several days ago I bought a shotgun. Both times, I paid in cash and was in and out of the store with the gun in less than 30 minutes. Im totally against gun control - but even I think that this was all too easy.

here in ny you need an instant background check (fbi) to get rifles

[Triple 6]

ah speaking of guns, we jus got an intratec tech 9 / dc-9 and a m12 cobray.... semi-auto of course... any1 interested b4 i put em up for auction? both guns have extra clips and are pre ban. think the m12 has a spring trigger too. both guns are used, repo by dea

ill take some pics 2day

[Plan9]

Originally posted by Hairetsu

Americas population????? vs Germany/Japan's?????? not to mention illegal immagrants we have. those statistics MEAN NOTHING.

http://www.destatis.de/basis/e/bevoe/bev_tab4.htm
82 million in germany
about 291 million in the united states.

so the US has 3.5 times as many...which, by comparison, would put germany at 223 homicide with the same population.

So you now have:
Germany - 223
United States - 11,200

That better?

[Plan9]

Originally posted by Triple 6


here in ny you need an instant background check (fbi) to get rifles

Im in Wasghington...they did a background check, the owned of the shop called it in, that took less than 5 minutes. Not sure if its the same thing you're talking about though.

[Lane]

Originally posted by Plan9


http://www.destatis.de/basis/e/bevoe/bev_tab4.htm
82 million in germany
about 291 million in the united states.

so the US has 3.5 times as many...which, by comparison, would put germany at 223 homicide with the same population.

So you now have:
Germany - 223
United States - 11,200

That better?

did u expect him to know that, lol
i bet he still thinks those statistics "mean nothing"

[Triple 6]

Originally posted by Plan9


Im in Wasghington...they did a background check, the owned of the shop called it in, that took less than 5 minutes. Not sure if its the same thing you're talking about though.

yup

[Hairetsu]

Originally posted by Plan9


http://www.destatis.de/basis/e/bevoe/bev_tab4.htm
82 million in germany
about 291 million in the united states.

so the US has 3.5 times as many...which, by comparison, would put germany at 223 homicide with the same population.

So you now have:
Germany - 223
United States - 11,200

That better?

no

[ThunderBalls]

Originally posted by katman


New York City is the best statistical report. Handguns are banned. The only way to get a legal permit to carry is by the govenors signature (or so I understand), or to be employed by a police agency, military or security.

Still yet, the criminals find ways to get guns and kill people. The crime rate in New York is amazing, despite the fact it's illegal to carry a gun.

Oh really? Then explain these New York crime stats straight from the DOJ crime stats:

1990: 2,605 murders; 212,458 total violent crimes.

1999: 903 murders; 107,147 total violent crimes.

[Nick The Greek]

Originally posted by Hairetsu

Americas population????? vs Germany/Japan's?????? not to mention illegal immagrants we have. those statistics MEAN NOTHING.

There was a shooting here in Carbondale just last week.

Per capita we have more gun murders than anyone else. Increase their population to ours and they still have a lot less than we do.

It's not the wetbacks that are killing people you stupid ass.

Those stats prove that we are killing each other more so than any other nation in the world.

[Plan9]

Originally posted by Hairetsu



no

Sorry if I make to much sense for ya bud

[sacX]

Originally posted by Hairetsu

Americas population????? vs Germany/Japan's?????? not to mention illegal immagrants we have. those statistics MEAN NOTHING.

you confirmed your own idiocy.