php

[hudson]

Hey...I don't know much about php...but just curious how long it has been around, when it was developed, etc.

Seems like overnight it has taken over as a major web scripting tool.

How does it compare to perl? I've heard it is much more easy to bang things out in php.

[freeadultcontent]

here we go

[Libertine]

http://php.net/manual/en/history.php
Lazy bitch...

[hudson]

Originally posted by punkworld
http://php.net/manual/en/history.php
Lazy bitch...

hehe...yeah...I know...just looking for easy answers...


nevermind...sorry

[pudcat]

Originally posted by hudson
How does it compare to perl? I've heard it is much more easy to bang things out in php.

yeh pretty much... I don't have much experience with perl, though from what I do know perl has a quite a bit more power... so php is good for knocking out simple-medium compelexity projects.

[hudson]

thanks pudcat for the reply ;-)

[SMG]

mommy tell me a story about C++ now

[Tala]

Originally posted by SMG
mommy tell me a story about C++ now

Dude, there are those of us for whom php is relatively new stuff. Not everyone is a programmer/scripter. That's why guys like you get paid.


Although I know now who NOT to hire.

[skazzel]

Perl is a better all around language than PHP, but if you are exclusively doing web stuff then PHP can be a better choice. You are going to be better off with PHP if you are completely new to coding.

[Babaganoosh]

PHP definitely has its place. If I am just doing some dynamic content then I use PHP. For heavy duty scripting I go with Perl.

[SMG]

Originally posted by Tala
Dude, there are those of us for whom php is relatively new stuff. Not everyone is a programmer/scripter. That's why guys like you get paid.


Although I know now who NOT to hire.

I wasn't making fun of him, I was poking at the path this thread took. take a joke

[skazzel]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
PHP definitely has its place. If I am just doing some dynamic content then I use PHP. For heavy duty scripting I go with Perl.

Agreed, though when looking to sell web scripts PHP is your best bet. CGI sucks ass and mod_perl on shared hosts is quite rare.

[hudson]

Originally posted by Tala
Dude, there are those of us for whom php is relatively new stuff. Not everyone is a programmer/scripter. That's why guys like you get paid.


Although I know now who NOT to hire.

hehe...no problems...I'm not looking for you to hire me anyway

[hudson]

Originally posted by SMG
mommy tell me a story about C++ now

hey sweetheart...tell me a story about C++ and you are such a big bad programmer and know all about it...can't wait you dumbass ;-)

[hudson]

Originally posted by SMG


I wasn't making fun of him, I was poking at the path this thread took. take a joke

hudson <- thin skin....I'm trying to break this habit, though

[hudson]

thanks everyone else for giving me a reply

[SMG]

*shakes head in confusion* I never said anything about big bad programmer ... I was talking about the first 4 or so posts in this thread when I posted that...

[Babaganoosh]

Originally posted by skazzel


Agreed, though when looking to sell web scripts PHP is your best bet. CGI sucks ass and mod_perl on shared hosts is quite rare.

PHP is usually CGI too.

And I don't know about PHP being better if you are selling scripts. I have made a hell of a lot of money from selling CGI scripts written in Perl. I'm about done with Perl too. I have been playing with C scripts for about a year and am about ready to kick out a new tgp script with built in traffic script written completely in C...no more MySQL either. Not that there is anything wrong with MySQL, just thought it would be a little more 1337 to have my own DB

[fnet]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

Not that there is anything wrong with MySQL, just thought it would be a little more 1337 to have my own DB

packed files do not a db make

[Babaganoosh]

Originally posted by fnet


packed files do not a db make

Who said anything about packed files?

[wsjb78]

PHP4 can use Java Libraries and I'm looking forward to PHP5

[eroswebmaster]

I've been trying to learn PHP, but really have no programming skills.

Haven't even attempted to learn a language since Atari Basic...I shit you not.

Anyway, do any of you guys know of any good books or sites on basic programminc concepts.

Something that will help me move into PHP a little more smoothly so I actually understand some of what I am trying to learn.

[Voodoo]

LET'S STOP THE FREE FLOW OF INFORMATION RIGHT HERE!

From this point forward, NO MORE FREE INFO... Newbies GO FUCK YOURSELF! (or at least learn how to use Google.com to get your answers!)

[Libertine]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I've been trying to learn PHP, but really have no programming skills.

Haven't even attempted to learn a language since Atari Basic...I shit you not.

Anyway, do any of you guys know of any good books or sites on basic programminc concepts.

Something that will help me move into PHP a little more smoothly so I actually understand some of what I am trying to learn.

http://www.scriptschool.com/php/

[Jer]

[artware]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Anyway, do any of you guys know of any good books or sites on basic programminc concepts.

Something that will help me move into PHP a little more smoothly so I actually understand some of what I am trying to learn.

There are some links to PHP related stuff that might be useful here.

[fnet]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered


Who said anything about packed files?

Nevermind, man. Good luck with your relational database.

[skazzel]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

PHP is usually CGI too.

Most hosts have it compiled in (mod_php) to apache these days, so no CGI overhead. CGI is *terrible* if you plan on doing any kind of serious traffic. I don't care if the CGI program is written in hand-optimized assembly by Jesus himself, it is still going to load the server.

I wouldn't ditch MySQL except in very specific cases (or where most of your potential customers won't have it available). Doing your own database management + CGI = bad. Why? You can't cache anything in memory, like a persistant MySQL server would. You will have to load the whole DB file for every hit, or scan through it if you have some sort of index / fixed length records.

[liquidmoe]

Just because mod_php is compiled in doesnt mean CGI is by-passed. In any case it doesnt matter if you code php or perl, both have their benefits, but if you are a crappy coder you will fuck up in either one. Use OOP, develop some decent DB and HTML libraries that you can re-use on every project and you will be headed in the right direction.

[myneid]

check my article in the klixx that was at the show with aria on the front about the benefits of using php in the adult industry.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally posted by myneid
check my article in the klixx that was at the show with aria on the front about the benefits of using php in the adult industry.

I read it. It (the article) was pretty short but well-written. My only suggestion for the next installments would be to talk about other alternatives or the article is going to come across as a sales pitch for Zend.

[EZRhino]

Talk to these guys. They know whats going on and real easy to talk to about PHP and the future of PHP in web developement.

www.ZEND.com

[Samoan]

I started out learning Perl, but I moved to PHP because I was able to learn that much faster. All the programmers I know, though, recommend that I go back and finish learning Perl.

[skazzel]

Originally posted by liquidmoe
Just because mod_php is compiled in doesnt mean CGI is by-passed.

Yes it does. In fact, that is the entire point.

[skazzel]

Originally posted by Samoan
I started out learning Perl, but I moved to PHP because I was able to learn that much faster. All the programmers I know, though, recommend that I go back and finish learning Perl.

Samoan, if you have a deeper interest in programming than just making web sites, learning perl isn't a bad idea. It incorporates many things you simply won't find in simpler languages like PHP / ASP such as closures. In fact, if you are learning programming and want to persue it as a career I recommend learning as many languages as possible... you need not master all of them, but learning the concepts will bend your mind in useful ways. For starters, look at LISP and Smalltalk.

[Samoan]

Samoan, if you have a deeper interest in programming than just making web sites, learning perl isn't a bad idea. It incorporates many things you simply won't find in simpler languages like PHP / ASP such as closures. In fact, if you are learning programming and want to persue it as a career I recommend learning as many languages as possible... you need not master all of them, but learning the concepts will bend your mind in useful ways. For starters, look at LISP and Smalltalk.

skazzel, I'd love to pursue a career in programming, but based on the market right now, I don't think it's a good idea. I've been told that the tech industry will make a comeback, but I can't put my hopes on it. I need to make a living.

[RedShoe]

[hudson]

Originally posted by RedShoe

hehe...hmmm....let's make that a six pack of beer instead of mother's milk, though

[hudson]

Originally posted by SMG
*shakes head in confusion* I never said anything about big bad programmer ... I was talking about the first 4 or so posts in this thread when I posted that...

hey SMG, sorry about that again...I misread what you posted and thought you were jumping on me instead of making fun of the thread....

[hudson]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered


PHP is usually CGI too.

And I don't know about PHP being better if you are selling scripts. I have made a hell of a lot of money from selling CGI scripts written in Perl. I'm about done with Perl too. I have been playing with C scripts for about a year and am about ready to kick out a new tgp script with built in traffic script written completely in C...no more MySQL either. Not that there is anything wrong with MySQL, just thought it would be a little more 1337 to have my own DB

hmmm....I kind of got side tracked with perl and really respect the understanding you get with C...but an 1337 custom DB....too fucking much

[hudson]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I've been trying to learn PHP, but really have no programming skills.

Haven't even attempted to learn a language since Atari Basic...I shit you not.

Anyway, do any of you guys know of any good books or sites on basic programminc concepts.

Something that will help me move into PHP a little more smoothly so I actually understand some of what I am trying to learn.

best thing to do is get a few books from the library and read. or print out some tutorials from the net, turn off the computer and read through them...I always find it very hard to absorb information with the computer running

[Babaganoosh]

Originally posted by hudson


best thing to do is get a few books from the library and read. or print out some tutorials from the net, turn off the computer and read through them...I always find it very hard to absorb information with the computer running

This may sound insane but I like to read programming books while sitting on the pot. Even though my legs get a little numb and I get that painful red ring on my ass I learn the most on the shitter.

[hudson]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered


This may sound insane but I like to read programming books while sitting on the pot. Even though my legs get a little numb and I get that painful red ring on my ass I learn the most on the shitter.

ahhh...now there you go...tips from the experts