Indian / Russian programmers?

[rudeboi]

Does anybody know a good place to find outsourcing groups?

I need to find somebody initially to build a few php & perl projects for me, and eventually will turn into 2-3 full time people on the software development side, and 5-7 full time people on the monitoring/customer service side.

[Alky]

and you want only indian and russian? your that cheap?

[Johny Traffic]

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[rudeboi]

Originally posted by Alky
and you want only indian and russian? your that cheap?

This is coming out of my own pocket. If I could afford to hire americans, I could fill the positions tommorrow out of my friends.. Eventually I will, if the projects I'm working on make money.

[Project-Shadow]

Russian and indian...
2 words that are worth less than the shit that comes outa my ass :P

[IMP^or^SNiTL.e]

im aussie so this post doesnt help

[Chaldoray]

Im American, You dont want any American programmers? I do php/vb.net, etc. send me a msg on icq 237842929

[brutus]

What's wrong with russian / indian etc. programmers??? I have ordered projects from Romania, Russia, India and of course from USA/Europe. For me the difference has been: USA/Euro people costs a fucking lot and they are not so fast. Ok - they are mainly very pro. However - what I have noticed - programmers from Russia / India etc. are also pro and costs only a fraction...

[ideasign]

We are russian design studio 'ideasign' and we have a lot of people working here, we have good developers and programmers, please contact us : [email protected]

Danil, www.ideasign.ru

[Board Voyeur]

Originally posted by Project-Shadow
Russian and indian...
2 words that are worth less than the shit that comes outa my ass :P

[$hurik]

Originally posted by rudeboi


This is coming out of my own pocket. If I could afford to hire americans, I could fill the positions tommorrow out of my friends.. Eventually I will, if the projects I'm working on make money.

It's not so easy. First you have to find office, then you have to find some1 to protect this office (that how it works it Russia), and only then you can hire programers, and you have to make sure they actually work ; )
Don't know how it works in India though.

But if you need some work done, hit me on ICQ we can probably work smth out for you.

[Dragon Curve]

Yea and the Russian/Indian programmers with no experience or qualifications make stupid ass shit that makes your site insecure.

But hey, if you want to get hacked and lose your data because you hired an incompetent moron to code you a PHP project with more holes than a slice of swiss cheese, go right ahead.

Just don't be shocked when your root pass doesn't seem to work anymore.

[Dannyh]

I have some good experience with Daxx. A dutch company who have their own development offices in Moskou and St.Petersburg. Cheap, quick and good....

See http://www.daxx.nl/eng/index.html or contact Jeroen Rijnen ([email protected])

They developed some Java and php applications for us. They also do business with some major a-brands in the non-adult sector.

[Forest]

I have an excpetional group in india

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[Jimmer]

I would recomend smartbrainsoftware.com. Take a look at thier referances.

[Quotealex]

I also prefer to hire programmers from Eastern Europe, India and Asia because they are affordable, polite and meet deadlines.

[Groove]

Originally posted by Jimmer
I would recomend smartbrainsoftware.com. Take a look at thier referances.

There is nothing but a generic holding page at that URL.

[saver]

indian is pretty cheap
i hired a 3 people team from india last year for 4 months ----only $1700--1900 per month!

but i'm now hiring a Team from China-- a college student team,a little bit higher than the indian Team,band even better

[strobi]

Originally posted by Dannyh
I have some good experience with Daxx. A dutch company who have their own development offices in Moskou and St.Petersburg. Cheap, quick and good....

See http://www.daxx.nl/eng/index.html or contact Jeroen Rijnen ([email protected])

They developed some Java and php applications for us. They also do business with some major a-brands in the non-adult sector.

Top notch.. not rock bottom priced but recommended even for complex and big projects.

[Forest]

Did you guys know that India puts out the BEST minds in programming in the world?

say a segment on 60 minutes about the institute in New Delhi being MORE intensive and higher requierments than MIT

they are all looking to come to the states for High paying jobs

[Jimmer]

Originally posted by Groove


There is nothing but a generic holding page at that URL.

Sorry you are right, I have to contact them.

[ideasign]

hmm, our team agree working for 1700 per moths.
designer, developer and programmer.


Danil, [email protected]
www.ideasign.ru
265443530

[wyvern]

We are an established group and have been developing and writing scripts, programs, and web projects for more than two years.
We can make all kinds of programming.. from simple java-scripts to custom apache modules.
We are working in our own office and we have our managers, so you don't have to literally take care of us.
Also, if you ever needed more programmers than our current staff, then I can get whatever number of new programmers who will work at prices that suit you.
Please contact me for a detailed discussion:
ICQ# 83300875 (nickname: Yerdnat)
e-mail: [email protected]

[harvey]

if you want to go for the sure thing, Adult Worker. It's inexpensive, reliable and a known established name. anyway, remember not to look ONLY for the price or you'll end fucked like most of the people who run after price in this board

[plsureking]

i used to run web operations for ford. we outsourced a lot. here's the problems you'll have outsourcing overseas:

1. language barrier. even the english speaking teams have a hard time understanding what you actually need. and if they under-deliver they will say they misunderstood.

2. non-proprietary. i don't care what type of contract you sign, your code will be sold to someone else. if they have access to your db, your records will be sold also. this cannot be protected overseas.

3. cheap crap. overseas code is very cheap but often is missing elements, was built shoddy, and/or cannot be reverse engineered. they don't charge 2 bucks an hour because of their cost of living. they charge 2 bucks an hour because they will probably only spend an hour writing your code. most likely, your code will be taken from another project they worked on, which means they will change your specs to match existing code.


i'm not saying don't do it. this is a huge debate all over the country. it was a very big debate in detroit, where the auto industry is having a tough time staying afloat. what we discovered is that saving a few bucks will eventually cost in missed specs, stolen code or a lack of liability.

US and west european coders are liable for their work because they can be prosecuted. if you can't afford to hire westerners then try to offer a percentage of profit. a lot of programmers will go for this even if you never make any profit. most programmers are avid gamblers!

okay back to my porn....

[plsureking]

Originally posted by harvey
if you want to go for the sure thing, Adult Worker. It's inexpensive, reliable and a known established name. anyway, remember not to look ONLY for the price or you'll end fucked like most of the people who run after price in this board

"IF YOU DON'T USE OUR SERVICES, YOUR COMPETITORS WILL!"

i hope they do. that's one of the worst concepts i've ever seen. because even if i were to use them, my competitors still would. if they've built one other site, then they've built a site for my competitor. then what would be happening? the same team would be running mine and my competitors sites.

fuckin stupid. sorry...

[saver]

Originally posted by plsureking
i used to run web operations for ford. we outsourced a lot. here's the problems you'll have outsourcing overseas:

1. language barrier. even the english speaking teams have a hard time understanding what you actually need. and if they under-deliver they will say they misunderstood.

2. non-proprietary. i don't care what type of contract you sign, your code will be sold to someone else. if they have access to your db, your records will be sold also. this cannot be protected overseas.

3. cheap crap. overseas code is very cheap but often is missing elements, was built shoddy, and/or cannot be reverse engineered. they don't charge 2 bucks an hour because of their cost of living. they charge 2 bucks an hour because they will probably only spend an hour writing your code. most likely, your code will be taken from another project they worked on, which means they will change your specs to match existing code.


i'm not saying don't do it. this is a huge debate all over the country. it was a very big debate in detroit, where the auto industry is having a tough time staying afloat. what we discovered is that saving a few bucks will eventually cost in missed specs, stolen code or a lack of liability.

US and west european coders are liable for their work because they can be prosecuted. if you can't afford to hire westerners then try to offer a percentage of profit. a lot of programmers will go for this even if you never make any profit. most programmers are avid gamblers!

okay back to my porn....

i'm a gambler!!! will gamble for sharing profits by providing coding service,hehe! who's the first?

[wyvern]

Originally posted by plsureking
i used to run web operations for ford. we outsourced a lot. here's the problems you'll have outsourcing overseas:

1. language barrier. even the english speaking teams have a hard time understanding what you actually need. and if they under-deliver they will say they misunderstood.

2. non-proprietary. i don't care what type of contract you sign, your code will be sold to someone else. if they have access to your db, your records will be sold also. this cannot be protected overseas.

3. cheap crap. overseas code is very cheap but often is missing elements, was built shoddy, and/or cannot be reverse engineered. they don't charge 2 bucks an hour because of their cost of living. they charge 2 bucks an hour because they will probably only spend an hour writing your code. most likely, your code will be taken from another project they worked on, which means they will change your specs to match existing code.


i'm not saying don't do it. this is a huge debate all over the country. it was a very big debate in detroit, where the auto industry is having a tough time staying afloat. what we discovered is that saving a few bucks will eventually cost in missed specs, stolen code or a lack of liability.

US and west european coders are liable for their work because they can be prosecuted. if you can't afford to hire westerners then try to offer a percentage of profit. a lot of programmers will go for this even if you never make any profit. most programmers are avid gamblers!

okay back to my porn....

All the "problems" that you described are a result of dealing with unprofessional groups/programmers. You will have the same problems if you worked with novice coders from any part of the world.
The language barrier is not that big compared with the difficulties that arise (and the nerves wasted to settle those difficulties) when the programmer, or the manager of his group, does not understand your needs and wishes as a webmaster (and especially as an adult webmaster).
A programmer who is earning his living by coding would not go around selling your code and databases just because that is not the way he makes his money - he makes it by coding (BTW, if you are going to give the programmer a percentage of the profit, then what I said about the programmer minding only his business (coding) and not sticking his nose into your business (selling) stops being true).
Your last point about "cheap crap" also applies only to novice programers who don't have the experience to write something worthy in a short time or who just want to get an easy buck and run away. Groups and companies that plan to stay in the market do value their reputation and customers.

[Incognito]

Try agava.com
They are one of the best ones.
80 programmers or so sitting near Moscow. Extremely professional and english speaking team of course.

One of the oldest and most reputable offshore programming as it's called here teams.

But they dont take small tasks.
And the price will of course be times cheaper than what You are used to.

[Doctor Dre]

2 $ an hour ? lol

[Fred Zeppelin]

hmmm,
How about a one-legged midget ?