DutchBilling has Ceased Processing

[Paul Markham]

http://www.pimpcafe.com/article2/art...p?article=1277

Also this was interesting.

The reason of closure is the affiliation between the type of content provided on the websites where DutchBilling is billing for and the brand VISA and/or MasterCard. Both card associations don't want to have any affiliation with this type of content.

Are they saying that even if it is legal in Holland it aint acceptable to Visa/MC?

[BVF]

Originally posted by charly
Are they saying that even if it is legal in Holland it aint acceptable to Visa/MC?

yep

[BRISK]

I'm not surprised that Visa/MC wouldn't want to be involved with beast and scat.

[[Labret]]

You'll be singing a different tune when they decide they dont want to be associated with internet porn altogether.

Im sure they love the fact that they can be associated with gay fisting, watersports, puke play, blood play, blah blah blah.

Yay, lets applaude Visa for being the guardians of morality. Thank you for protecting us Visa.

[OneHungLo]

Originally posted by [Labret]
You'll be singing a different tune when they decide they dont want to be associated with internet porn altogether.

Im sure they love the fact that they can be associated with gay fisting, watersports, puke play, blood play, blah blah blah.

Yay, lets applaude Visa for being the guardians of morality. Thank you for protecting us Visa.

Yup thats right after they knock off all the 3rd party processors...hope everyone has saved all their pennies they made over the years...i know i did

[RSCLuke]

Looks like in a month or so, we'll have a handfull of processors to choose from.
Just hope Epoch and CCBILL don't fold. - that just might be the end of Adult biz as we know it.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by RSCLuke
Looks like in a month or so, we'll have a handfull of processors to choose from.
Just hope Epoch and CCBILL don't fold. - that just might be the end of Adult biz as we know it.

We have less than a handful now.

[BRISK]

Originally posted by [Labret]
You'll be singing a different tune when they decide they dont want to be associated with internet porn altogether.

That would surprise me because I don't think it will happen, but Visa/MC choosing not to process for beast and scat doesn't surprise me.

[BRISK]

Originally posted by RSCLuke
Just hope Epoch and CCBILL don't fold. - that just might be the end of Adult biz as we know it.

ummm....not even close

[OneHungLo]

Originally posted by RSCLuke
Looks like in a month or so, we'll have a handfull of processors to choose from.
Just hope Epoch and CCBILL don't fold. - that just might be the end of Adult biz as we know it.

Nope i dont think it will be the end quite yet...thats why im getting my own merchant account cuz visa will be dropping that axe soon enuff on all those big guys...

it's just a matter of time.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by [Labret]
You'll be singing a different tune when they decide they dont want to be associated with internet porn altogether.

Im sure they love the fact that they can be associated with gay fisting, watersports, puke play, blood play, blah blah blah.

Yay, lets applaude Visa for being the guardians of morality. Thank you for protecting us Visa.

And so many refuse to see it. Still, if they keep on down this path evetually they will have very annoyed consumers too. To start dictating what their customers can and can't spend their money on can only manage to piss them off after a period of time. VISA et al are popular because you can use them anywhere instead of money. Start to take that away and...

That days a long way off yet and maybe won't happen if VISA/MC really do know where to draw that line. Problem is at the moment it seems they don't.

[chodadog]

Bad news.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by [Labret]
You'll be singing a different tune when they decide they dont want to be associated with internet porn altogether.

Im sure they love the fact that they can be associated with gay fisting, watersports, puke play, blood play, blah blah blah.

Yay, lets applaude Visa for being the guardians of morality. Thank you for protecting us Visa.

100% rigjht.

Visa/Mastercard are cornering porn at cruising speed, and we are looking at it with a thumbs up...

Like Jay Leno says: iiiiiidiots!

[BRISK]

Originally posted by directfiesta

100% rigjht.

Visa/Mastercard are cornering porn at cruising speed, and we are looking at it with a thumbs up...

Like Jay Leno says: iiiiiidiots!

Who's "looking at it with a thumbs up"?

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by BRISK


Who's "looking at it with a thumbs up"?

A lot of adult webmasters here ...

Example:

- they process beast, they should be shutdown
- I don't care if it is legal in theuir country, I find it disgusting
- I would never sell that; at least my old ages men gangbanging a barely 18 years old slut is quite acceptable ... buy my standards
- Visa will get rid of the smallers sites; that will be good for us


and so on.....

Look at the threads just on Extreme Associates...

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by BRISK


Who's "looking at it with a thumbs up"?

Hope you don't want me to list the nicks of everyone .... I don't have time. I must do my Mastercard pages to be approved ( Ibill). I spend now about 30 % of my time on this credit card shit...

[TheSaint]

According to the article, webmasters will get every cent coming, reserves and all.

It seems these guys at least were light years ahead of Glofuck in integrity at least.

[cherrylula]

I wonder how many bad things you can purchase with visa, that visa doesn't want to be associated with.

I hope the next person who goes on a killng spree uses their visa card to buy the gun. Maybe they will even catch him with the receipt in his wallet.

[sweetcuties]

It seems like it's international based processors that are having most of the problems.... but I agree with a few that posted earlier, at ANY time they can say fuck this, we're out. The ironic thing is I can go to my local porn store (always do) and buy dvd's using my visa card, no problems. Isn't this ironic??

[ServerGenius]

Do I think all this Visa/MC shit is bad? Yes! Is it hurting our
business? Hell Yes! Will it be the end of the Online Porn Industry
if CC's dissapear as a payment method? No fucking way! The
demand for online porn remain....and if people have no option
to pay with their CC's they WILL accept a new alternative billing
method.

CC's are easy....people prefer them because they can....if the
time comes they can't anymore alternative billing methods will
be adopted by the consumers....because at the end of the day
they still want to beat off to our goodies.

DynaMite

[BRISK]

Originally posted by sweetcuties
It seems like it's international based processors that are having most of the problems.... but I agree with a few that posted earlier, at ANY time they can say fuck this, we're out. The ironic thing is I can go to my local porn store (always do) and buy dvd's using my visa card, no problems. Isn't this ironic??

Your local porn store would get your signature on the receipt though. That signature makes all the difference.

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


We have less than a handful now.

Jettis
CCbill
Epoch
Probilling
Verotell

Pff, I just made it

Andre

[ServerGenius]

Porn, Drugs, Alcohol, Rock and Roll, Gambling and War will never die

DynaMite

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Do I think all this Visa/MC shit is bad? Yes! Is it hurting our
business? Hell Yes! Will it be the end of the Online Porn Industry
if CC's dissapear as a payment method? No fucking way! The
demand for online porn remain....and if people have no option
to pay with their CC's they WILL accept a new alternative billing
method.

CC's are easy....people prefer them because they can....if the
time comes they can't anymore alternative billing methods will
be adopted by the consumers....because at the end of the day
they still want to beat off to our goodies.

DynaMite

Agree 100%. Problem is the biggest pain in the ass is this continuing clampdown. At the moment you really do need the CC's because if you don't the competition nabs the punter. This means taking it in the ass every time VISA or MC say so. It would almost be a blessing once the dust has settled if they finally did stop processing completely.

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by Tipsy


Agree 100%. Problem is the biggest pain in the ass is this continuing clampdown. At the moment you really do need the CC's because if you don't the competition nabs the punter. This means taking it in the ass every time VISa or MC say so. It would almost be a blessing once the dust have settled if the finally did stop processing completely.

Oh certainly Sir....our industry will be in some more heavy weather
and it will cost a lot of money and trouble to stick around....but
the ones who do will provail

DynaMite

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by BRISK


Your local porn store would get your signature on the receipt though. That signature makes all the difference.

So you are telling us that by signing, the un-moral aspect of the beastiality disapears.... and Visa/MC don't mind been associated with it then...

Sounds like a fairy tale...

[Quotealex]

Originally posted by sweetcuties
The ironic thing is I can go to my local porn store (always do) and buy dvd's using my visa card, no problems. Isn't this ironic??

Not really. You wont get rebilled and chances are you wont chargeback for it neither.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by BRISK


Your local porn store would get your signature on the receipt though. That signature makes all the difference.

Not really. That would suggest that the problem only lies with the fact that there's no sig which simply isn't true. Far too many businesses and companies take payment with no sig for that to have any meaning. VISA/MC's beef is purely with porn. They spout all the BS about high risk but it's not even that clear cut - it's high risk AND porn they have the real problem with.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Tipsy


Not really. That would suggest that the problem only lies with the fact that there's no sig which simply isn't true. Far too many businesses and companies take payment with no sig for that to have any meaning. VISA/MC's beef is purely with porn. They spout all the BS about high risk but it's not even that clear cut - it's high risk AND porn they have the real problem with.

Exactly...

I bought 2 servers ( actual boxes) on an online auction. They called to get my credit card #, and just passed it ( about 2,000.00). Why isn't that high risk? It is as much as selling porn vids or memberships...

Visa/Mc are attacking the tip of the iceberg, the product that is the least defendable and as they succeed, they will continue till the whole iceberg melts...

Do you see them closing Paysystems, CCnow, Firepay, and so on... No, just the porn.

[BRISK]

Originally posted by Tipsy


Not really. That would suggest that the problem only lies with the fact that there's no sig which simply isn't true. Far too many businesses and companies take payment with no sig for that to have any meaning. VISA/MC's beef is purely with porn. They spout all the BS about high risk but it's not even that clear cut - it's high risk AND porn they have the real problem with.

If Visa just wanted to stop processing for porn, they would have by now. Visa's #1 problem with porn is because it's high risk and is full of fraud. I also believe that they're not comfortable processing for sites with child porn, beastiality, and scat, but that doesn't really surprise me too much.

I don't think Visa cares all that much about general porn. I don't think they're sitting there on their moral high horses plotting ways to bring down the whole porn industry which it has been processing for decades.

[directfiesta]

decades???

when did you start on line... I did in 1997, and no I couldn't process on line aside from Syspro...


PS: my list would start with your nick .. but you are OK, you do GENERAL porn...lolLOL

[BRISK]

Originally posted by directfiesta
decades???

when did you start on line... I did in 1997, and no I couldn't process on line aside from Syspro...


PS: my list would stasrt with your nick .. but you are OK, you do GENERAL porn...lolLOL

I said Visa has been processing porn sales for decades. Porn did exist before the internet. In the 70's there were magazines, in the 80s there were VHS videos, and in the 90's there was DVDs and the internet.

The difference now is that with online sales, Visa doesn't get that magic signature on the receipt that makes all the difference when it comes to chargebacks.

[SkyWalker]

I want to have a monopoly.

[Matt_WildCash]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Exactly...

I bought 2 servers ( actual boxes) on an online auction. They called to get my credit card #, and just passed it ( about 2,000.00). Why isn't that high risk? It is as much as selling porn vids or memberships...

Visa/Mc are attacking the tip of the iceberg, the product that is the least defendable and as they succeed, they will continue till the whole iceberg melts...

Do you see them closing Paysystems, CCnow, Firepay, and so on... No, just the porn.

1. If Visa so choose they can do exactly what American express did and cease to process any adult content. Its there choice and they CAN do it. Tomorrow if they wanted. There no laws that say they have to faze it out slowly.

2. It gives there customers a good solid reason to have a credit card, (Some people will have cards as a main reason to buy porn (they may claim otherwise to there wifes), it has them using there cards and making Visa money and there banks money.

3. I don't think Visa will pull out after this much time, but its VERY scarying there banning beast and other VERY extreme stuff. Its censorship and thats not good, if I open an extreme hardcore site I don't want visa saying "nope thats TOO extreme were not processing that". Fuck that!!! But we'll have to take it up the ass from now on with these rules gotta play by there rules, but I really don't see them going anywhere soon.

There just cleaning up the biz of all the rape /beast shit and putting a stop to the bad rebilling and shady practices.

[BVF]

I don't know what to tell you but when I was in Florida at the Visa roundtable discussion, I saw Ron Caldwell say emphatically that Visa has no plans on getting out of adult...

I'm more apt to believe a CEO of the top billing company who deals with those visa people all the time than some GFY self appointed Oracles.

[directfiesta]

Temperature fell here , the sky is getting darker and the wind is pretty violent... but I don't think there will be a storm.
The Weather man says the same thing: no storm. Ouf, we are OK...

[mrthumbs]

Charly.. dont know if you remember but be careful with that
other Dutch processer we talked about a few months ago over icq

[DTK]

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Porn, Drugs, Alcohol, Rock and Roll, Gambling and War will never die

DynaMite

Well said. You forgot taxes LOL

[creamycherries]

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Do I think all this Visa/MC shit is bad? Yes! Is it hurting our
business? Hell Yes! Will it be the end of the Online Porn Industry
if CC's dissapear as a payment method? No fucking way! The
demand for online porn remain....and if people have no option
to pay with their CC's they WILL accept a new alternative billing
method.

CC's are easy....people prefer them because they can....if the
time comes they can't anymore alternative billing methods will
be adopted by the consumers....because at the end of the day
they still want to beat off to our goodies.

DynaMite

Amen! I'll drink to that!

[NETbilling]

Originally posted by OneHungLo


Nope i dont think it will be the end quite yet...thats why im getting my own merchant account cuz visa will be dropping that axe soon enuff on all those big guys...

it's just a matter of time.

Hi OneHungLo,

Contact us if you have not already. We will set you up with everything you need.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
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Thank you, Mitch Farber

[NETbilling]

Originally posted by BVF
I don't know what to tell you but when I was in Florida at the Visa roundtable discussion, I saw Ron Caldwell say emphatically that Visa has no plans on getting out of adult...

I'm more apt to believe a CEO of the top billing company who deals with those visa people all the time than some GFY self appointed Oracles.

Having no plans does not mean they will not do it. Amex told us they had no plans either a few years ago until they dropped the axe. Everyone should take precautions.

Mitch

[neewwman]

Originally posted by TheSaint
According to the article, webmasters will get every cent coming, reserves and all.

It seems these guys at least were light years ahead of Glofuck in integrity at least.

I wouldn't hold my breath!

Dutchbilling has owed me several hundred dollars for months and they won't even tell me why they won't pay.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by [Labret]
You'll be singing a different tune when they decide they dont want to be associated with internet porn altogether.

Im sure they love the fact that they can be associated with gay fisting, watersports, puke play, blood play, blah blah blah.

Yay, lets applaude Visa for being the guardians of morality. Thank you for protecting us Visa.

exactly

[Fletch XXX]

As I said before, process of elimination.

Where would be a better place to start cleaning up the internet than by shutting down the sites that the majority wont miss?

Next time it might be the 'type of content on YOUR site'

Process of elimination.

[Kimmykim]

Visa is a company. Visa is not the law, they do not legislate, they do not regulate.

Just as you decide what sponsor to use or what affiliates to take traffic from, Visa decides what they consider acceptable as a company and base their decisions on those parameters.

If the cb and credit ratios for certain types of sites are problematic, or the associations for Visa as a company for those types of sites are unsavory to the association, the member banks, or the management, then why in the hell should they process for them?

Visa doesn't owe anyone in adult a damn thing. They are a payment method and nothing more than that. They aren't censors, they aren't legislators, they are a payment processing method.

If you dont like it, find another way to take payments. If your customers want to see what you have bad enough, they will pay a different way.

[chupacabra]

Next time it might be the 'type of content on YOUR site'

this sums it up. to any here who seem intent on braying that VISA is 'cleaning up the industry' in terms of acceptable content, you people must be clueless... this is probably the most dangerous happening in the adult/online venue to date..

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by chupacabra


this sums it up. to any here who seem intent on braying that VISA is 'cleaning up the industry' in terms of acceptable content, you people must be clueless... this is probably the most dangerous happening in the adult/online venue to date..

Visa is a payment method, no more, no less.

Instead of sitting around crying about it, find a new way to take in payments if they won't process for you.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by Tipsy


And so many refuse to see it. Still, if they keep on down this path evetually they will have very annoyed consumers too. To start dictating what their customers can and can't spend their money on can only manage to piss them off after a period of time. VISA et al are popular because you can use them anywhere instead of money. Start to take that away and...

That days a long way off yet and maybe won't happen if VISA/MC really do know where to draw that line. Problem is at the moment it seems they don't.

At last some sense.

Did it occut to anyone that this industry is consumer driven?

There are other ways of getting money from someone who is begging to buy. How many other cards, are there that will do adult, sitting in the side linse just waiting for Visa/MC to say "No to all adult" I would start looking at these people and be thinking about buying shares in them.

Their are also dialers and MSM billing. Don't give in yet I will tell you when the sky is falling.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Visa is a company. ... They aren't censors, they aren't legislators, they are a payment processing method.

This is why they are banning legal terms such as " teen" ?

Looks to me like censorship... just like when on TV you hear " bleep"....

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
Charly.. dont know if you remember but be careful with that
other Dutch processer we talked about a few months ago over icq

Am watching the situation very closely, their bank is asking for merchants to re-apply.