Probilling

[SENSEX]

for those using Probilling, what are your thoughts? Pro's & Cons.
I was going to use them, but they seem to take along time to answer emails (4days)

[thewebgarage]

They have been pretty good for me. I'm guessing they are busy with all the new business lately.

[hershie]

Been using them to process content sales for 2 months and so far no issues.

[s0laris2]

lets see:

1: I moved over 3 months ago. Have phoned twice a week and NEVER been able to get someone there who can change the address..

2: Emails almost NEVER get replied to.

3: They do pay, that is a plus

4: They do not require the 750 visa fee, so IMHO they will not be around much longer. I think Visa is picking these billers off one by one.

5: I stopped using them and am waiting for the rest of the checks to slowly stop coming. (The are using fedex now to fedex the checks and of course the address is wrong so I get phoned by fedex each time!)

[ibs]

I have been using them for several months and I get my money on time and they answer my emails with in 24 hours except during internext when I emailed everyone there because of the rumors and some answered the rest answered later

I do not know if they will have problems with visa they seem to be very picky in how they approve sellers using their services

I got burned by globill for a lot of money and paypal froze my accounts because of one complaining competitor even though the complaint was false (I did comply with paypal's tos changes) and they did reinstate my account.

I like probilling but I am going to diversify my access to cc billing solutions to include everyone in existance and I am going to have pages standing by to replace pages with billing companies that go out of business.

I am talking to my bank about a payment solution that provides a way for the customer to enter the bank and make the payment direct to my account using cash check or credit card no merchant account required. (So far I collected over $4,000 USD using this method.)

I like http://probilling.com but I will not reccomend them or any cc billing solution to anyone.

[Webby]

ibs:

I like probilling but I am going to diversify my access to cc billing solutions to include everyone in existance and I am going to have pages standing by to replace pages with billing companies that go out of business.

Totally agree!!

The word "proactive" comes to mind - on the webmaster side, not on the side of VISA/processors.

Another one is balance processors to avoid any one processor handling a large volume of recurring billing.

[thor54]

Hey SENSEX

Please forward any concerns directly to me and I'll be happy to help you out.

s0laris2
Can you also send your requests right to me and I'll take care of you right away.

[hitman699]

If your content is TEEN or anything they may not like. beware, after a few weeks you'll recieve an email telling you they don't like you domain name and are cut off...but ofcourse they'll tell you they'll be happy to process for any of your other sites.

[DTK]

Originally posted by s0laris2
4: They do not require the 750 visa fee, so IMHO they will not be around much longer. I think Visa is picking these billers off one by one. [/B]

Thor, please address this issue directly. There is a common thread of companies not requiring the 750 getting zapped. How is it different for Probilling?

[Dax]

I got some solid answers from them during internext.. but Im still not convinced... =\

[SENSEX]

Originally posted by DTK


Thor, please address this issue directly. There is a common thread of companies not requiring the 750 getting zapped. How is it different for Probilling?

I would like some clarity as well. Correct me if im wrong, but from what I can see, the ones getting "zapped" are U.S. based companies that danced around the Visa fee. ie: Globill & EGS pay. Seems like no Euro proccessor is getting zapped, (verotel, 2000charge, & U.K. based but working from Calgary, Canada,Probilling)

And if Visa demands it at a later date, how is Probilling going to deal with it? Charge the fee, or flee the country?

[vapewiz]

Originally posted by SENSEX


I would like some clarity as well. Correct me if im wrong, but from what I can see, the ones getting "zapped" are U.S. based companies that danced around the Visa fee. ie: Globill & EGS pay. Seems like no Euro proccessor is getting zapped, (verotel, 2000charge, & U.K. based but working from Calgary, Canada,Probilling)

And if Visa demands it at a later date, how is Probilling going to deal with it? Charge the fee, or flee the country?

Maybe time to change your sig?

[ibs]

With any of these solutions how can we trust what they say?

I am not talking about any one of them but all of them.

No I am not into Zen but I am in to reality (instead of surfing porn I make porn) and the reality is how can any of us believe that any one of them would say well it looks pretty bleak. I can not really say if we will be here tomorrow or not.

or how is this

Attention all adult webmasters who use us to collect money we are about to screw you for all the money of yours we can !

and

if one never says then how can we expect one would ?

I would like a job with one so I could know what the other side deals with ?

My philosophy is Life is a gamble never forget in god we trust all you other motha fuckers pay CA$H

[SENSEX]

Originally posted by cutetwink


Maybe time to change your sig?

Why?? Globill is number 1 in my books...

[vapewiz]

Originally posted by SENSEX


Why?? Globill is number 1 in my books...

[PbG]

let us not forget dutchbilling . . . they were not US based. Nor was AC/EGS Pay. They were in the UK.

[vapewiz]

Originally posted by PbG
let us not forget dutchbilling . . . they were not US based. Nor was AC/EGS Pay. They were in the UK.

Dutchbilling got put down due to processing bestiality and rape sites as far as i know.

[DTK]

Originally posted by Dax
I got some solid answers from them during internext.. but Im still not convinced... =\

Dax, can you please expand on what you were told?

[Dax]

Too long to type..

but giving me all types of reason why they are still here and globill went down.. something to the effect of globill having one HUGE account and them having all 'small' accounts..etc...

[DTK]

Dax - It seems that one of the biggest reasons Visa laid the hammer on those companies is that they tried to evade Visa's rules. My question is more for Probilling to answer, though I'd appreciate hearing anything they told you.

The question is: has ProBilling attempted anything to evade Visa?

If they have, then they sent a "fuck you card" to the 800 pound gorilla and are thus fucked.

Probilling representatives, you need to address this!

[SunTzu]

Originally posted by PbG
let us not forget dutchbilling . . . they were not US based. Nor was AC/EGS Pay. They were in the UK.

Not true, AC Pay was US based with a UK office. Probilling is based in Canada, processing in the UK. That's the difference. So far the ONLY processors to go belly up either were US-based and tried pretending to be UK based, or were processing beast/kid stuff.

[ronin]

never used them..

[solonline]

Originally posted by SunTzu


Not true, AC Pay was US based with a UK office. Probilling is based in Canada, processing in the UK. That's the difference. So far the ONLY processors to go belly up either were US-based and tried pretending to be UK based, or were processing beast/kid stuff.

thing is, the UK has some of the most backward porn laws in the world.They are always reports of people being busted for living of "illict earnings" and im not talking CP, most stuff they get busted for is hardcore/fetish.
So to even attempt to process through is a danger, thats why we do all our shoots in Denmark, and have our set up there.
We tried with a number of banks to get merchant status in the UK, all turned us down as soon as they knew we were adult.

[scooby doo as scooby does]

Originally posted by solonline


thing is, the UK has some of the most backward porn laws in the world.They are always reports of people being busted for living of "illict earnings" and im not talking CP, most stuff they get busted for is hardcore/fetish.
So to even attempt to process through is a danger, thats why we do all our shoots in Denmark, and have our set up there.
We tried with a number of banks to get merchant status in the UK, all turned us down as soon as they knew we were adult.

That's an out of date summary. With the exception of the banking statement, although even that's more to do with lack of accounting history. Take a look at www.lana-cox.com, a well known UK ex-playboy model & page 3 girl. Now does some pretty hardcore stuff. She has her own merchant account in the UK. Because she has an accounting history in the business. Some UK banks will take porn accounts, but only established ones with history.

UK porn laws are based on the definition of 'obscene'. With the coming of the internet and all the freely available 'more extreme' porn, the interpretation of that law has undergone a massive change. The only recent convictions are for child porn and bestiality, the number of prosecutions for other types of porn has dropped to near zero in the last five years. Although this statement by the Obscene Publications Unit says the very minimum they can prosecute for is 'urination or defecation into another's orifices' means hardcore watersports could be included. I think that's pretty much in line with the US.

Very good article of the changing definition of illegal porn in the UK here;
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sex/s...818530,00.html

I certainly have had no problems at all with hardcore material.

P.S. apologies for off topic post.
P.S.S. I am not a lawyer! Just my 2 cents.

[solonline]

Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does


That's an out of date summary. With the exception of the banking statement, although even that's more to do with lack of accounting history. Take a look at www.lana-cox.com, a well known UK ex-playboy model & page 3 girl. Now does some pretty hardcore stuff. She has her own merchant account in the UK. Because she has an accounting history in the business. Some UK banks will take porn accounts, but only established ones with history.

UK porn laws are based on the definition of 'obscene'. With the coming of the internet and all the freely available 'more extreme' porn, the interpretation of that law has undergone a massive change. The only recent convictions are for child porn and bestiality, the number of prosecutions for other types of porn has dropped to near zero in the last five years. Although this statement by the Obscene Publications Unit says the very minimum they can prosecute for is 'urination or defecation into another's orifices' means hardcore watersports could be included. I think that's pretty much in line with the US.

Very good article of the changing definition of illegal porn in the UK here;
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sex/s...818530,00.html

I certainly have had no problems at all with hardcore material.

P.S. apologies for off topic post.
P.S.S. I am not a lawyer! Just my 2 cents.

Hi, while I agree they are not as agressive as they were some years back, fact remains that it is arbitary in the way they deem what is obscene and what is not. If you watch adult tv (from the UK) they only show simulated sex, with no full exposure of sex acts. The law is undefined, and depends really on how y ou go about your business. Rest assured though I personally know 3 companies busted in the last 12months who were producing for online use main stream hardcore from within the UK, with a registerd ltd company in the uk that did get busted.

My

[Master_Yoba]

Go CCBill

[s0laris2]

bump

waiting for an answer from probilling

[DTK]

Originally posted by s0laris2
bump

waiting for an answer from probilling

Yes.

Probilling staff, you have been asked direct questions regarding your viability. Now is not the time to fall silent.

[doober]

bump....and the floor belongs to probilling....

[DTK]

The silence is deafening, isn't it?? oh well....

[DemonWolfe]

Since Colin H from Probilling has been active in this thread:
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...66#post2156466

I thought I would post a link for him so that he could post a reply to this thread.


I'm sure he will appreciate it.

[christianrod30]

Hi! Since Globill fucked my ass, I am waiting for Probilling answer for more than a week. I am currently using Verotel Services. I would like to use Probilling too, but it seems they do not want foreigner and serious webmasters.

Regards

[s0laris2]

Actually. I officially stopped accepting sales for probilling and using them as a backup because of the fact I am getting no answers..

Their silence in this thread when earlier they replied is very uncomfortable.

I hope to cash the remainder of the checks ok! :-P

[lock]

After signing with probilling it looks nothing more than a glorified AVS without content. The password htacess is what ever you set up for yourself and as far as adding users maintaining members etc it is whatever you have already set up for yourself. Most webmasters will have to add users in notepad as probilling has zero admin features. Globill offered a comprehensive admin area with the ability to refer webmasters as well as general affiliate program for sign ups and recurring. Probilling for me has been a great disapointment. Webmasters want to promote my site as it does converrt like crazy better than 200:1 but it seems they already dont want me using probilling so i must look again.

[Colin H]

Lock,

I, or any of our merchant support reps would be happy to walk you through your proBilling account to show you where to find the features you mention in your post above. You can contact us by email, phone, or by posting in our community forum.

We can show you where and how to :
-Sign up for a partner account to refer webmasters to proBilling
-Set up multiple affiliate programs, submit text links, banners and generate links to direct your affiliates to sign up for single programs, multiple programs, multiple sites, or all programs for all your sites.
-Add demo user accounts for your website, and manage their expiration dates.
-Use our flexible password management to integrate with most existing systems by updating users in real time via FTP, super secure PERL script, or by passing all non sensitive variables to a URL for password management, dbase population or authentication software management.

s0laris2,

As Thor posted above, shortly after your support request, contact us and we would be happy to work with you to resolve what ever issues you may be experiencing. Please read my comments above for a list of methods for contacting proBilling support. Please feel free to email me directly as well. GFY, as entertaining as it is, is a public forum and is not a supported method of proBilling account support.

[Cogitator]

Lock is full of shit. Colin's being nice by not saying that. I've had no problem with them. If they've been unresponsive, it's because they were at InterNext (yea, mon!)

[DemonWolfe]

All I can say is that I put them as a processor on one of my paysites and it was approved by them (and htaccess setup on my server) before I was even done fine tuning all the setting for my account.


They seem to be on the ball as far as customer service goes. (Much more so than any other 3rd party biller I've worked with in the past), but the Visa issue is a real concern.


It really doesn't matter what anyone says Visa can shut down any 3rd party biller if they really want to and since Visa never reveals their motivations or tactics to the public, none of us ever truely knows what is going on behind the scenes.