Basically over for web programmers

[CyberHustler]

Fiddy dead web programmers

[WebcamWealth]

Web Programmers will simply become Web Developers.

Just as Real Estate Developers oversee or orchestrate the building of projects and not actually doing the manual labor themselves.

[mainstreammix]

They all took the COVID "vaccine" and are BIG mad...

Huggles, STFU. Why don't you go find some 2003 era porn to make compilations of. I hear Bang Bus is a hit!

[mainstreammix]

Web Programmers will simply become Web Developers.

Just as Real Estate Developers oversee or orchestrate the building of projects and not actually doing the manual labor themselves.

Of course things will change but the shrinking job market already started.



You'll notice that contrary to what numbnuts above has his head in the sand about the job growth is in the very AI that he "just doesn't see much benefit in" or wtf ever was said.

Meanwhile BM is eating paste and editing another WP plugin because blogs are all the rage!

[blackmonsters]

Meanwhile BM is eating paste and editing another WP plugin because blogs are all the rage!

LOL! I'm retired and eating popcorn.
I might need to do some light work for beer money if I don't slow my drinking down though.

You love me long time.

[SkyCorp]

Programmers are going to be set for life fixing all the bugs AI makes. Especially security bugs. Be careful using AI code if you haven't professionally reviewed every line of it.

[asorelli]

The game is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with GFY

You mentioned the game, and how your brother used AI to setup servers. Cool story, I guess.

Tell me again why you couldn't show a demo of the game you copy/pasted in here? Nevermind ...

I honestly think you have some kind of selective reading impairment. Re-read my comments and don't pick and choose just parts of it and try to quote me jackass.

Or, go troll on these comments if it makes you feel better:

well, i only use ai to do boring grunt work for me and maybe help me find that stupid semicolon or dot that i missed in my code.. eventually, ai will get there and it will be able to do whatever you need, but i find it easier to write the code myself then to explain what i need exactly. chatgpt, however, is really good with mysql queries which helps a lot

not even close. not yet anyway. try to have an llm work on a 50k+ lines of code project...

We will still need people to create websites and write code.
It is what it is.

It's certainly over for software developers if the site operator doesn't value development or their product.....

[asorelli]

You'll notice that contrary to what numbnuts above has his head in the sand about the job growth is in the very AI that he "just doesn't see much benefit in" or wtf ever was said.

Here's what I said dumbass:

I have no idea what you're going on about.



Is this "prediction" your source of all these programming jobs that are getting obliterated, or do you have something else? Maybe some traditional computer programming jobs are in decline, but software development roles remain in demand, particularly in areas like AI. Who do you think builds these tools that allow non-coders like yourself to build cool stuff??

And, go ahead and point out where I said it's ineffective or really hard? I said an average user that does not know what ftp, ssh, or telnet is probably won't bother.

As someone who can code without AI, I don't see a huge benefit or time saving tool yet. But, I haven't fully explored, so maybe with bigger projects it will help. For the record, I have already said AI can do some amazing things and is moving very quickly and I do use it for certain things.

Will some people use AI instead of a programmer, sure. But, you also keep ignoring the facts -- website builders (no coding necessary) have been available for years. Yet, people still have websites built by coders/programmers, even though they have been able to do it themselves for years. Why?

[mainstreammix]

[QUOTE=asorelli;23385921]

Here's what I said dumbass:

That's one of the many things you said, to distract from the shit you said that I responded to. You keep asking for irrelevant things and info you can look up and moving goalposts but this entire conversation is from me rebutting your asinine presumptions.

I've already talked about this shit elsewhere. My OFFLINE working friend uses AI to network commercial equipment without buying hundreds of licenses or hiring out for someone to connect different brands with no current code for that.

He also uses it to map out his entire networking setup, another job he previously hired out.

My brother put his game online with AI knowing sweet fuck all else about servers. He is not a programmer, he doesn't code them from scratch, he uses some game maker and it's 100% irrelevant to the point I made.

A family member uses AI in his cyber security job. He previously used it to help him write security software that is used by the fucking military. But hey, he did know how to mess with a server before that.

What I said way up in the start of this thread is clear. You were being silly as fuck talking about it takes you longer to write code with AI than without and that nobody will bother before you started trying to dodge that point later on. Many scripts I use are written from scratch in a minute or two from AI and even with shortcuts you aren't beating that.

I have saved well into 6 figures so far by not having to hire help. My on call programmer made $73,000 per year on an as needed basis and I now do that job 10x better for $100 a month.

So yes, you need a better promp. Guess what, you can ask AI to write one for you.

[AmeliaG]

I think AI is going to increase productivity more than it is going to put people out of work.

[asorelli]

[QUOTE=mainstreammix;23386242]

So yes, you need a better promp. Guess what, you can ask AI to write one for you.

I can agree with that.

I think AI is going to increase productivity more than it is going to put people out of work.

I think you're right.

[Mindi]

i spent all day learning cursor on youtube and claude.ai as a backup
claude can draw my page and then make a template for in wordpress and do css to make it look great just from showing it screenshots

[Manfap]

The fact that your designing webpages in photoshop, probably means the pages wont be correct.

[mainstreammix]

I think AI is going to increase productivity more than it is going to put people out of work.

We are reaching productivity overload, it can just increase to infinity. The example I always give people is that one of my businesses I have spent decades, with code, compiling hard to find data and presenting it in unique ways.

In a few more iterations AI will be smart enough for the right user to deploy a version that seeks and and deploys replacements for what I do AND and thousands of others that are similar without further input. I make 40% net, corporations are fine with 5%. Right now one person in their basement with a tweaked AI can today take over entire industries by making things more efficient and cheaper on a scale nobody here seems to care about and that's before a single prompt can spit out a "paysite" with AI models that cover any and all niches.

As more and more people look into this things will change quickly, billionaires will be made and most of us will be buried.

i spent all day learning cursor on youtube and claude.ai as a backup
claude can draw my page and then make a template for in wordpress and do css to make it look great just from showing it screenshots

It sure can. Keep it up and you'll be doing more with AI than the people that should be exploiting it while the clock ticks down.

[CurrentlySober]

this forum is dog shit

i lik 4rum...

[trevesty]

In its current state, a good AI tool can 10-20x YOU.

If you're really, really fucking dumb, well, it's not gonna do much for ya.

If you're not, congrats on the upgrade.

[newtraffic2]

This @adultinnovation isnt doing sites anymore or is it on special days of week?? Asking caus we have a few sites in pipeline waiting for him. OP, still around or just chattin? you got the talent, for sure. Just your site's support isnt fully where we'd like 2 b, get back to us.

[asorelli]

That's one of the many things you said, to distract from the shit you said that I responded to. You keep asking for irrelevant things and info you can look up and moving goalposts but this entire conversation is from me rebutting your asinine presumptions.

..... blah, blah, blah a bunch of irrelevant stuff ....

I haven't tried to distract from anything, nor did you rebut anything. The thread title is: "Basically over for web programmers"

To keep this as simple as possible:

No it's not.

This @adultinnovation isnt doing sites anymore or is it on special days of week?? Asking caus we have a few sites in pipeline waiting for him. OP, still around or just chattin? you got the talent, for sure. Just your site's support isnt fully where we'd like 2 b, get back to us.

Case in point. And before you get started, go look at any of the freelance sites, they are all still business as usual. For however wonderful AI may be and for how much it can or can't save you, there will always be an end user that would prefer to have it done by a professional and/or someone else. That does not take away from the amazing potential of AI, that's just how life works.

[mainstreammix]

Case in point. And before you get started, go look at any of the freelance sites, they are all still business as usual. For however wonderful AI may be and for how much it can or can't save you, there will always be an end user that would prefer to have it done by a professional and/or someone else. That does not take away from the amazing potential of AI, that's just how life works.

An anecdote is not a "case in point" or I could post an anecdote of someone being replaced (I put several here) and say AI will take all the jobs.

Stats are a little more important.

Computer programmers—defined as those translating precisely defined specifications into code—have seen a drastic decline. According to The Washington Post, these jobs fell by 27.5% over the past two years—the lowest level since 1980.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-intelligence/

[asorelli]

An anecdote is not a "case in point" or I could post an anecdote of someone being replaced (I put several here) and say AI will take all the jobs.

Stats are a little more important.

I said:

Case in point. And before you get started, go look at any of the freelance sites

Is the sky falling and all is lost on all the freelance sites? The case in point was merely an example reference.

Buddy, seriously, stop wasting my time. Yes, we can agree that more automated tasks (mainly done by entry level) will most likely be replaced by AI at some point. Just because you and a handful of people you know are using AI, doesn't mean that regular folk, those that don't want to learn how to use AI, regardless of how simple it may be, will jump on the band wagon. Right now, it's too early to tell, and the "stats" you are providing, are not accurate for this argument. Because ...

The article you referenced differentiates the following:

From the washingtonpost....

"More important, when we looked at who worked in that industry, we noticed that programmers were in the minority. They’re dwarfed by, among other occupations, the software developers. The two terms are sometimes used interchangeably, but the jobs follow very different trajectories.

Nationwide, software developers haven’t struggled nearly as much as their programming brethren —"

"In the real world, “developer” and “programmer” can seem almost interchangeable. But in the world of government statistics, where we have legal permanent residency, there’s a clear distinction."

"In the government’s schema, programmers do the grunt work while the much more numerous — and much faster-growing — software developers enjoy a broader remit. They figure out what clients need, design solutions and work with folks such as programmers and hardware engineers to implement them."

"It’s not the first time programmers have borne the brunt of automation. For as long as the BLS has differentiated the two professions, programmers have been the black sheep, always struggling while developer jobs multiplied and multiplied again. With every innovation that made coding easier or less necessary — services to handle common tasks, offshoring, free open-source tools, servers and computing on the cloud — developers took on more of the work once left to pure programmers."

If you delve deeper into this, I'm sure other factors could be at play. Obviously, entry level jobs what I believe the article is calling "programmers" are more at risk, but there are always other factors, such as:

Economic Uncertainty: The recent tech job market crash, driven by factors like rising inflation, interest rates, and global economic uncertainty, has led companies to prioritize profitability over growth, resulting in more conservative hiring practices and a focus on cost-cutting measures.

Geographic and Demographic Disparities: The impact of automation and AI on employment is not uniform across all demographics and regions, with younger workers and those in less-skilled occupations facing higher risks of displacement.

Industry Maturation: Certain tech sectors, including social media and e-commerce, are maturing, leading to slower growth and hiring compared to their earlier periods of rapid expansion

And I'm sure there is more. Go look it up on AI, it will give you more info I'm sure.

[Publisher Bucks]

Most 'normal' folk, still do not understand AI - including those in the government (globally) and are still worried about it.

It's not going to be too long untl the powers that be step in and fuck it up for everyone... This is why getting your own private LLM setup is important if you're planning on adapting to utilizing AI long-term.

Yes, some job roles for programmers, designers, database engineers, etc are going to vanish, but AI will inevitably open up a new area of employment, such as AI prompt writers, LLM engineers, etc that will fill those lost job roles.

Adapt or die... Sadly.

I have a mate over here in the UK who lost his job about 4 months ago, he just signed up for Universal Credit (the UKs version of unemployment - but much better than US unemployment) and his work coach basically told him 'get a job in AI designing websites' eek7

[asorelli]

Stats are a little more important.

And then, there's also this:

More from the washingtonpost article you shared...

“Programmers may be more likely than software developers to have more of their job replaced by generative AI, but the sharp decline cannot be attributed to generative AI alone,” Shrivastava told us. She added that Indeed postings for tech jobs such as programmers and developers rose much faster than other job postings amid the 2022 labor market boom and thus had further to fall when the job market cooled.

AI obviously is not a direct replacement for human programmers, given the precision demanded by the profession and the chatbots’ predilection for fabrications. But in the hands of a software developer who knows the code well, the bots could pitch in on some of the grunt work.

[asorelli]

Most 'normal' folk, still do not understand AI - including those in the government (globally) and are still worried about it.

It's not going to be too long untl the powers that be step in and fuck it up for everyone... This is why getting your own private LLM setup is important if you're planning on adapting to utilizing AI long-term.

Yes, some job roles for programmers, designers, database engineers, etc are going to vanish, but AI will inevitably open up a new area of employment, such as AI prompt writers, LLM engineers, etc that will fill those lost job roles.

Adapt or die... Sadly.

I have a mate over here in the UK who lost his job about 4 months ago, he just signed up for Universal Credit (the UKs version of unemployment - but much better than US unemployment) and his work coach basically told him 'get a job in AI designing websites' eek7

That's messed up.

[blackmonsters]

AI-powered coding tool wiped out a software company’s database

[mainstreammix]

Oh brother.

[blackmonsters]

Oh brother.

Oh brother?? How about

Yo mamma!




Living rent free in that head :

[Mindi]

i found the discord channel for cursor so claude talked me through setting up discord
so much amazing stuff and friendly people not like here

[asorelli]

i found the discord channel for cursor so claude talked me through setting up discord
so much amazing stuff and friendly people not like here

You're on a site called GFY and jumped into a thread with the title "Basically over for web programmers". So, normally, the topic of conversation tends to stay along the lines of the thread title itself, sort of, sometimes, not always.

In any event, even though I'm not a big fan of wordpress, I provided you with a few solid tips on how to help "secure" your website, since you chose to go with wordpress. Again, wordpress is more widely used (then say joomla, drupal or some of the other cms available) so it's more susceptible and prone to attacks. There's more that you can do, but I recommend you get a programmer to help you with that --- not an AI prompt.

Another user offered up a site for designs and I even went through and recommended a couple clean, fast loading designs from that site. You didn't respond to any of those comments. Have you tried opening up your own thread? There's some nice peeps on this board that I'm sure would jump in and help you out with some AI generated responses.

[TheVoy]

Nah, all this will do is create more competition and less corporate web developers.

I never understood why developers don't just work for themselves.

[Huggles]

i found the discord channel for cursor so claude talked me through setting up discord
so much amazing stuff and friendly people not like here

[Killswitch]

I'll just leave this here.



https://x.com/METR_Evals/status/1943360399220388093

[Publisher Bucks]

I'll just leave this here.



https://x.com/METR_Evals/status/1943360399220388093

Probably using the free version of ChatGPT, thats why

[asorelli]

Probably using the free version of ChatGPT, thats why

From the source:

"When AI is allowed, developers can use any tools they choose (primarily Cursor Pro with Claude 3.5/3.7 Sonnet—frontier models at the time of the study "

[JesseQuinn]

I'll just leave this here...

From the source...

see, this makes sense to me. if one can actually code/program/develop then running through prompts to direct a model to help on anything more than specific, basic tasks would take extra time

huge proponent of AI over here, though sparingly. I don't grab chatGPT answers just for kicks or use a browser than auto-includes AI answers as I would like to minimize my usage of excess water/energy (bye bye Chrome AI)

did start an AI clone project of me with a client a while back but bailed cuz it got too creepy, think I'd watched too much Black Mirror. if my AI ever became sentient she'd wish death 'pon me for putting her in a box and the whole thing just didn't feel right

right now, in my spare time, with zero experience, I'm coding a bot. just something that would be super useful to me and no doubt others in my adult niche. not a commercial project, when I finish it I'll give it to them for free after I get it working for me. using Claude

it's a spare time thing just to try something new, I'm not worried about my lines of work disappearing any time soon. simply I like new stuff and t'would be neat to teach to the kiddos I tutor

the other day someone elsewhere linked to a site that ref'ed the story you posted and others. aihorrorstories.com

"I have made a catastrophic error and betrayed your trust"

kinda hilarious. like really, AI gonna do us like that? guess it really is shaped in our image


I dunno, weird the zero sum game approach by some in this thread. bizarre when I'm one of the ones preaching anything to do with that whole 'balance' thing

[asorelli]

right now, in my spare time, with zero experience, I'm coding a bot. just something that would be super useful to me and no doubt others in my adult niche.

Bots are cool and can be super useful. You can train it, almost like your pet.

[JesseQuinn]

You can train it, almost like your pet

meh, I have pets. very cuddly and reasonably well-behaved but can't really say I 'trained' them. my cat scratches her catnip sprinkled cardboard box (which is replaced often) instead of furniture and my goat eats apple chunks instead of laundry on the line. in both cases I think I bribed them into making more pleasing choices, but a part of me would like to think they behave cuz they love me

who cares. I know they do love me, and they deserve treats either way

the bot will just be a simple tool to streamline an annoying part of work for those of us in my particular niche of adult, but the application itself generic enough that I don't have to jump through any hoops re NSFW/adult content in creating it. the bot itself will be totally vanilla, I'll just use it for prurient purposes

when in the past I needed an entire system created for a since-sold online biz, I hired a programmer. no way I would have had the time to mess around with AI even if it existed to this extent eight or so years ago

I told him what I needed, he did it, the price was reasonable, it worked perfectly, and I made two friends for life in the process

even given AI advancements in the here and now, I'd make the same choice today on every level, particularly since that project was time-sensitive

firm believer in the concept of time cost. if I can make more money per hour over what it costs to hire someone I trust, and/or do something meaningful to me even if unpaid with that saved time? worth it


this bot is kinda fun though. probs only spent 45 mins on it thus far, beyond writing out what I wanted it to do longhand in my notepad cuz I think better that way

have broken it down into portions/blocks and Claude is being great at explaining to me what the code means. I don't want to just copy/paste, I do want to learn something

figure I'll be done in the next week or so, it's not time-sensitive

not gonna anthropomorphize a bot, though I will name it. will probably call it Clive or Chloe, I like those names. I'll praise it as a good bot I guess


as to the thread debate, AI is not a zero sum thing. simply a matter of adapting to and negotiating changing realities

welcome to life

[asorelli]

I told him what I needed, he did it, the price was reasonable, it worked perfectly, and I made two friends for life in the process

welcome to life

This right here. People don't connect as much with all the tech. I'm pretty sure some of these "futuristic" movie scripts will be reality soon.

For sure, AI can def be a great learning tool. I used some tools back in the day to learn as well. I suppose AI would have been much easier to deploy a site than say netscape wysiwyg editor or front page, both equally the shit at the time for learning html.

Share the bot once you're done! I asked Mindi to share, but I think she got spooked or something. lol

Yeah, cats are awesome and crazy at the same time! Give them something to chase and they'll bee like ..

⋆˚🐝˖     ╱|、
                          (˚ˎ 。7          look, a bee!
                           |、˜〵          
                          じしˍ,)ノ

[Mindi]

This right here. People don't connect as much with all the tech. I'm pretty sure some of these "futuristic" movie scripts will be reality soon.

For sure, AI can def be a great learning tool. I used some tools back in the day to learn as well. I suppose AI would have been much easier to deploy a site than say netscape wysiwyg editor or front page, both equally the shit at the time for learning html.

Share the bot once you're done! I asked Mindi to share, but I think she got spooked or something. lol

Yeah, cats are awesome and crazy at the same time! Give them something to chase and they'll bee like ..

⋆˚��˖     ╱|、
                          (˚ˎ 。7          look, a bee!
                           |、˜〵          
                          じしˍ,)ノ

yes i got spooked lol i do not think it is a good idea to share things here
i mean look what happens when other people post their things here

lot of mean people on this website

[JesseQuinn]

Share the bot once you're done

I probs will, not sure if it will be of use to many here but amongst peers elsewhere I def think it will be useful. for sure it will be for me. will probs get back to it on Sunday evening. in order to learn as I go need the time and solitude to concentrate, which esp on weekends isn't realistic online or off. this is just for fun so no pressure for me, that in and of itself is inherently enjoyable

I asked Mindi to share, but I think she got spooked or something

personally I don't engage with MrPheer's fake nics but have fun I guess

[asorelli]

personally I don't engage with MrPheer's fake nics but have fun I guess

A lot of that around here, it's quite amusing really.

[CyberHustler]

[asorelli]