iBill Done with 3rd Party Processing

[Hooper]

Am i mis-reading this?

http://www.ibill.com/support/masterc...tAgreement.cfm

Boy i'm glad we use paycom and ccbill.

Pssst.. now that you're having a heart attack... check out our party page and lets get drunk together.

http://www.quickbuck.com/party/

[Sly_RJ]

Heh. Not funny.

[jeroman]

?????
What in the world do you mean

[Wiseman]

READ IT! IT Pretty much says it in there!!

[funkmaster]

(anyone actually read that file ... LOL)

[webair]

read the 1st paragraph i believe hoop is right:

In order to continue to utilize the Service it is necessary for Client to open its own merchant account. Member Bank is a member of both VISA U.S.A. Incorporated (?VISA?) and MasterCard International (?MasterCard?) (each a ?Card Association?).

unless im missing something?

[Hooper]

This paragraph made me think that perhaps they were no longer going to do 3rd party.

In order to continue to utilize the Service it is necessary for Client to open its own merchant account.

Am I misreading that?

[BRISK]

it is necessary for Client to open its own merchant account

ummm....isn't that what people pay iBill for? so they don't have to get their own merchant account?

[jennycards]

iBill is actually offering both 3rd party billing AND billing services for people having their own merchant account.

Nothing new about that. And nothing that should make you any extra worry.

[Hooper]

I sale short merchant account numbers.

[Wiseman]

In order to continue to utilize the Service it is necessary for Client to open its own merchant account


You coulda read it like this I guess..........

tnuocca tnahcrem nwo sti nepo ot tneilc rof yrassecen si ti ecivres eht ezilitu ot eunitnoc ot redro nI

And Then I would undertsand why you mis read it..

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by jennycards
iBill is actually offering both 3rd party billing AND billing services for people having their own merchant account.

Nothing new about that. And nothing that should make you any extra worry.

this is an appendum for the IBILL COMPLETE which is their 3rd party solution though.

[Shoplifter]

I like the bit about supplying the voided check so they can debit "penalties" from your account.

I haven't read through all this yet, does anyone know what the story really is?

[BRISK]

Originally posted by jennycards
iBill is actually offering both 3rd party billing AND billing services for people having their own merchant account.

Nothing new about that. And nothing that should make you any extra worry.

If there is nothing new about this, then why would they say:

In order to continue to utilize the Service it is necessary for Client to open its own merchant account.

If you already had a merchant account and were using iBill for billing then obviously they wouldn't tell you that you need to get a merchant account to continue the service. You would already have a merchant account.

[12clicks]

smart people have been saying for at least a year to only use CCbill, Epoch, or Jettis.

of course, others have been saying something else for just as long.

[jennycards]

Originally posted by m0rph3us


this is an appendum for the IBILL COMPLETE which is their 3rd party solution though.

Oops

[justsexxx]

Sorry, but on the page(be4 the download) you read


CLIENT MERCHANT ACCOUNT ADDENDUM TO SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR IBILL COMPLETE

So that is when you take a merchant account provider by IBILL9like jettis offers as well, and netbilling)

Or am I misreading it now?

Andre

[faxxaff]

why use ibill anyhow? all sites that I promote as a revsharer sell very bad. ccbill sites do much better! Once in awhile I sign up myself and find out that the sale is never credited to my account. Looks like their tracking and fraud screening is terrible. same like egspay.

If I sign up for an egs/ac-pay site and use a third world country email address, I can access the site for 1 to 2 months and after that I get a full refund for all payments. "Sorry you have a czech, russian or philippine email address, we don't like to take your money" .... hahaha, it was never as easy to join sites for free !!!!

[Shoplifter]

Hooper, how did you actually come across this page?

I am going through their website and I can't find any way there to get to it.

[BradShaw]

Anyone else get this email?




Date: July 23, 2003

To: All iBill Clients

RE: MasterCard Compliance Contract Agreement

As communicated to you via e-mail dated July 16, 2003, iBill, as well as all other processors, will be required to initiate changes in the way aggregated clients (iBill Complete clients) accept and process MasterCard payments. iBill has negotiated on behalf of our clients a solution that provides the least possible disruption to current operating procedures, while offering several enhancements and maintaining the current iBill service offerings.

The iBill solution incorporates several features:

Improved Funding - You will now enjoy daily revenue settlement payouts.
Merchant Of Record - This requirement results in the client becoming the merchant of record to accept MasterCard.
Exclusive Customer Service - iBill will continue to provide unsurpassed billing customer service to all consumers purchasing goods and services from you, our client.
Chargeback Management - You will have access to a dedicated business group at iBill that will negotiate eligible VISA and MasterCard chargeback disputes on your behalf.
Fraud Reduction - You will benefit from iBill's extensive fraud and verification service.
Control Revenue Sharing Payouts - iBill tracks all sales and identifies both RevShare Client and the referring site (RevSharer) and provides CMI reporting for both.
The purpose of this communication is to provide you with a revised contract agreement. This agreement is attached to this e-mail and can also be found on our website at the following address: http://www.ibill.com/support/masterc...tAgreement.cfm

When completed, this agreement should be faxed to iBill at 954-363-4409 (Attn: Underwriting). After faxing, please mail a hard copy of the signed agreement to iBill: 2200 SW 10th Street, Deerfield Beach, FL 33442 (Attn: Underwriting). Please note a voided US bank business check MUST be faxed back along with the contract. This is a requirement and will be necessary to complete your agreement processing.

We require that this agreement be completed and returned within three business days to iBill. Failure to return the contract agreement by August 1, 2003 may jeopardize your ability to accept MasterCard after August 21, 2003.

iBill is committed to providing a partnership with our clients as we help them remain in compliance with all card association requirements. Should you have any questions regarding this issue or the contract agreement, please call us at 866-379-6486 (toll free) or 954 363-4439. You can e-mail your questions to [email protected]

As always, thank you for your business.

iBill

[Hooper]

sometimes i just stumble across things.

it's amazing what happens when you're not busy trying to increase your post count ;-)

[Hooper]

in the last 10 minutes i've also single handedly found the golden goose prior art to defeat the Acacia DMT patent and sold out for millions.

Jeez, what am i gonna do with the next 10 minutes ;-)

Oh wait.. I'll work on my post count

[quiet]

Originally posted by BradShaw
Anyone else get this email?




Date: July 23, 2003

To: All iBill Clients

RE: MasterCard Compliance Contract Agreement

As communicated to you via e-mail dated July 16, 2003, iBill, as well as all other processors, will be required to initiate changes in the way aggregated clients (iBill Complete clients) accept and process MasterCard payments. iBill has negotiated on behalf of our clients a solution that provides the least possible disruption to current operating procedures, while offering several enhancements and maintaining the current iBill service offerings.

The iBill solution incorporates several features:

Improved Funding - You will now enjoy daily revenue settlement payouts.
Merchant Of Record - This requirement results in the client becoming the merchant of record to accept MasterCard.
Exclusive Customer Service - iBill will continue to provide unsurpassed billing customer service to all consumers purchasing goods and services from you, our client.
Chargeback Management - You will have access to a dedicated business group at iBill that will negotiate eligible VISA and MasterCard chargeback disputes on your behalf.
Fraud Reduction - You will benefit from iBill's extensive fraud and verification service.
Control Revenue Sharing Payouts - iBill tracks all sales and identifies both RevShare Client and the referring site (RevSharer) and provides CMI reporting for both.
The purpose of this communication is to provide you with a revised contract agreement. This agreement is attached to this e-mail and can also be found on our website at the following address: http://www.ibill.com/support/masterc...tAgreement.cfm

When completed, this agreement should be faxed to iBill at 954-363-4409 (Attn: Underwriting). After faxing, please mail a hard copy of the signed agreement to iBill: 2200 SW 10th Street, Deerfield Beach, FL 33442 (Attn: Underwriting). Please note a voided US bank business check MUST be faxed back along with the contract. This is a requirement and will be necessary to complete your agreement processing.

We require that this agreement be completed and returned within three business days to iBill. Failure to return the contract agreement by August 1, 2003 may jeopardize your ability to accept MasterCard after August 21, 2003.

iBill is committed to providing a partnership with our clients as we help them remain in compliance with all card association requirements. Should you have any questions regarding this issue or the contract agreement, please call us at 866-379-6486 (toll free) or 954 363-4439. You can e-mail your questions to [email protected]

As always, thank you for your business.

iBill

nope

[Snake Doctor]

I think we're going to need alot of this

[KRL]

Originally posted by Hooper
I sale short merchant account numbers.

[Shoplifter]

Are only USA merchants getting this? For EU clients the business about a voided US Bank check being supplied by Aug 1 is just impossible.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by quiet


nope

I wonder why not, it seems that the deadline is Friday????

[scoreman]

iBill's position on this is that they are moving mainstream only to merchant accts and that any emails on this received by the adult sector were sent in error.

I don't know what to think at this point myself.

Off to the dead concert...check back later to see how this unfolds.

[quiet]

Originally posted by scoreman
iBill's position on this is that they are moving mainstream only to merchant accts and that any emails on this received by the adult sector were sent in error.

I don't know what to think at this point myself.

Off to the dead concert...check back later to see how this unfolds.

hmm

[John3]

why would anyone stay on that sinking ship???

[Hooper]

Because people are SHEEP.

(speaking of which, i just clicked on 40 of those fuckers before i got tired. when is that banner gonna be revealed???)

[quiet]

sounds like more manufactured drama. this doesn't have anything to do with adult (at least for now).

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by quiet
sounds like more manufactured drama. this doesn't have anything to do with adult (at least for now).

What makes you say that?

[quiet]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


What makes you say that?

my 'premium' ibill rep.

[Kimmykim]

LOL

[Shoplifter]

And yet another day where the anal probe misses it's mark by mere inches.

Off to the beach.

[tony286]

Called ibill thats for nonadult only and that makes sense because if you have your own merchant account you dont have to do the mall thing.

[Dax]

Originally posted by scoreman
iBill's position on this is that they are moving mainstream only to merchant accts and that any emails on this received by the adult sector were sent in error.

I don't know what to think at this point myself.

Off to the dead concert...check back later to see how this unfolds.

Wow! For the #1 Ibill defender.. to say " i don't know what to think of at this point myself" is very very impressive! Wow..

I hope people don't get fucked with ibill again..

[iBill Communications]

This is a contract addendum that pertains to mainstream business only. If it was received by a client in the adult business, it was received in error or that client also handles mainstream content and/or products.

Consequently, this addendum and communication DOES NOT pertain to adult content providers. As communicated, iBill has an approved solution that will allow for operation under our merchant account.

[oldnewbie]

And the sky is once again in an upright, locked position.

[scoreman]

Originally posted by Shoplifter
And yet another day where the anal probe misses it's mark by mere inches.

I know, right? Whatever happened to the good ol days when processing issues didn't occupy the majority of your day?Nowadays, its like bend over and grab your ankles every time I go check the boards.

This iBill letter made more sense when I was told that iBill worked a deal with a bank that opened up more opportunity for securing merchant accounts for their clientele. Unfortunately for the adult sector, this bank could not offer the same deal to high risk clients.

[scoreman]

..

[Tornado]

Originally posted by scoreman
iBill's position on this is that they are moving mainstream only to merchant accts and that any emails on this received by the adult sector were sent in error.

How can they possibly manage a portfolio of Adult only and stay under the Visa chargeback %?

[scoreman]

Originally posted by Tornado



How can they possibly manage a portfolio of Adult only and stay under the Visa chargeback %?

If thats an issue (which i dont think it is as many many adult clients have lower chargebacks and higher volume than the mainstream clientele) than this issue would also affect paycom and ccbill since they process almost exclusively adult.