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  • lakerslive
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2012
    • 929

    #1

    I noticed about developers

    They charge you cheap and get job done fast first couple projects

    then as time goes by, it gets more expensive for the smallest changes and takes longer.

    Is it just me?
  • Tube Ace
    So Fucking Banned
    • Nov 2008
    • 4941

    #2
    They may have been desperate for cash the first job.

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    • lakerslive
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2012
      • 929

      #3
      Originally posted by Tube Ace
      They may have been desperate for cash the first job.
      hey tube ace, so how do you know your developer isnt giving you bs coding if you dont know coding?

      Do you hire another coder or security expert to go over code?

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      • Klen
        • Aug 2006
        • 32235

        #4
        That is how bussiness model it is - you get cheap base, you pay more money for upgrades.

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        • Manfap
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2013
          • 2626

          #5
          If they're doing it cheap for you they're doing it cheap for others, there then comes a time where you probably find yourself with maybe too much work so raise prices and work through the backlog.

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          • gar
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2021
            • 462

            #6
            How do you know it's a smallest changes if you don't know code?

            Changing one line of code doesn't mean it's small.
            TubeOrigin

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            • MakeMeGrrrrowl
              Grrrrrrrrr
              • Oct 2002
              • 4986

              #7
              Originally posted by lakerslive
              They charge you cheap and get job done fast first couple projects

              then as time goes by, it gets more expensive for the smallest changes and takes longer.

              Is it just me?
              Programmers are the flakiest fucks in the industry.

              Most of them suck and will steal your money and give you nothing in return.

              When you find an amazing one, put them on salary and don't let them go.

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              • blackmonsters
                Making PHP work
                • Nov 2002
                • 20964

                #8
                Originally posted by lakerslive
                They charge you cheap and get job done fast first couple projects

                then as time goes by, it gets more expensive for the smallest changes and takes longer.

                Is it just me?
                Pick one or more from list below :

                1. After working for you, their bills didn't get paid. So either tell you bye, or charge you more.

                2. They quoted their bottom price and you haggled it down further.

                3. You changed the payment agreement in some way(amount/day/rate/method/taxes etc..)

                4. They gave you lower priority because you did number 1, 2 or 3, or combination from above.

                5. Times have changed, coding is more complex. (Responsive design is now required for example)

                6. Inflation

                7. Fuck you, you think we gonna work forever without a raise.


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                • lakerslive
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 929

                  #9
                  Originally posted by blackmonsters
                  Pick one or more from list below :

                  1. After working for you, their bills didn't get paid. So either tell you bye, or charge you more.

                  2. They quoted their bottom price and you haggled it down further.

                  3. You changed the payment agreement in some way(amount/day/rate/method/taxes etc..)

                  4. They gave you lower priority because you did number 1, 2 or 3, or combination from above.

                  5. Times have changed, coding is more complex. (Responsive design is now required for example)

                  6. Inflation

                  7. Fuck you, you think we gonna work forever without a raise.


                  actually, im paying this guy good on what he is asking for, I tipped him and gave extra money and letting him dictate the hours. So totally different from most of your options

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                  • blackmonsters
                    Making PHP work
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 20964

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                    Programmers are the flakiest fucks in the industry.

                    Most of them suck and will steal your money and give you nothing in return.

                    When you find an amazing one, put them on salary and don't let them go.
                    Do they do flaky stuff like go to Puerto Rico in the middle of a project and then don't answer skype for a year?

                    Asking for a friend.

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                    • blackmonsters
                      Making PHP work
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 20964

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lakerslive
                      actually, im paying this guy good on what he is asking for, I tipped him and gave extra money and letting him dictate the hours.
                      Translation : "I got the lowest bid. I kept adding shit and changing shit and it took longer; but I volunteered to pay more so it's OK that I actually fucked him hourly and ruined his mental health. He told me he had to get some fucking sleep."

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                      • lakerslive
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 929

                        #12
                        Originally posted by blackmonsters
                        Translation : "I got the lowest bid. I kept adding shit and changing shit and it took longer; but I volunteered to pay more so it's OK that I actually fucked him hourly and ruined his mental health. He told me he had to get some fucking sleep."

                        Im happy this thread is like therapy for you

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                        • sarettah
                          see you later, I'm gone
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 14297

                          #13
                          Originally posted by lakerslive
                          They charge you cheap and get job done fast first couple projects

                          then as time goes by, it gets more expensive for the smallest changes and takes longer.

                          Is it just me?
                          I have no idea about other developers, just myself.

                          As far as pricing goes, I charge by the hour, not by the estimate. I do not raise my prices very often, in fact I have clients that I am charging the same hourly rate that I was charging 10 years ago. I like to reward loyalty.

                          How quickly a project/task gets completed depends on several things. First my work load. If I have nothing else on my plate at the moment and it is a simple task I might get it done over lunch. If I have a full plate then I base when it gets done on the priority of the project/task.

                          Emergencies always go first. Then it goes to planned projects where I have given the client a date. Then it goes to adhoc issues and tasks.

                          I also do get to take time off, regardless of my client's viewpoint that I am spending too much time on gfy or I shouldn't take that trip right now. I am not an employee. I run my own shop and I set the rules and priorities and run my business as I see fit.

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                          • blackmonsters
                            Making PHP work
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 20964

                            #14
                            Originally posted by lakerslive
                            Im happy this thread is like therapy for you
                            You are in denial.

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                            • The Porn Nerd
                              Living The Dream
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 19787

                              #15
                              Originally posted by sarettah
                              I have no idea about other developers, just myself.

                              As far as pricing goes, I charge by the hour, not by the estimate. I do not raise my prices very often, in fact I have clients that I am charging the same hourly rate that I was charging 10 years ago. I like to reward loyalty.

                              How quickly a project/task gets completed depends on several things. First my work load. If I have nothing else on my plate at the moment and it is a simple task I might get it done over lunch. If I have a full plate then I base when it gets done on the priority of the project/task.

                              Emergencies always go first. Then it goes to planned projects where I have given the client a date. Then it goes to adhoc issues and tasks.

                              I also do get to take time off, regardless of my client's viewpoint that I am spending too much time on gfy or I shouldn't take that trip right now. I am not an employee. I run my own shop and I set the rules and priorities and run my business as I see fit.

                              .

                              How DARE you act so professional! And on GFY no less!
                              Son you disappoint. :D


                              Originally posted by blackmonsters
                              You are in denial.

                              You are making a lot of assumptions here without knowing the facts.

                              Therefore: yo mamma!
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                              • blackmonsters
                                Making PHP work
                                • Nov 2002
                                • 20964

                                #16
                                Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                Therefore: yo mamma!



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                                • The Porn Nerd
                                  Living The Dream
                                  • Jun 2009
                                  • 19787

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by blackmonsters



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                                  • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                    Grrrrrrrrr
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 4986

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                    Do they do flaky stuff like go to Puerto Rico in the middle of a project and then don't answer skype for a year?

                                    Asking for a friend.

                                    lol - that was definitely flaky - but you can't say you didn't get paid!

                                    No one will ever say that I don't pay - and pay well (usually more than is asked for), on time, and often BEFORE money is due =)

                                    You are not a flakey programmer in my opinion. A little crabby but definitely not flakey.

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                                    • sarettah
                                      see you later, I'm gone
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 14297

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                      lol - that was definitely flaky - but you can't say you didn't get paid!

                                      No one will ever say that I don't pay - and pay well (usually more than is asked for), on time, and often BEFORE money is due =)

                                      You are not a flakey programmer in my opinion. A little crabby but definitely not flakey.
                                      Hell, you can pay me for jobs and then not contact me for year, I don't mind at all.

                                      You get back and say, "Is it done?" and I reply "I'm still waiting on an answer to my last email."

                                      Sounds like a plan to me ;p

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                                      • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                        Grrrrrrrrr
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 4986

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by sarettah
                                        Hell, you can pay me for jobs and then not contact me for year, I don't mind at all.

                                        You get back and say, "Is it done?" and I reply "I'm still waiting on an answer to my last email."

                                        Sounds like a plan to me ;p

                                        .
                                        You are a good egg. In your own league. =)

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                                        • The Porn Nerd
                                          Living The Dream
                                          • Jun 2009
                                          • 19787

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                          You are a good egg. In your own league. =)
                                          A league of his own?
                                          There's no crying in programming!!

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                                          • Sly
                                            Let's do some business!
                                            • Sep 2004
                                            • 31376

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                            A league of his own?
                                            There's no crying in programming!!

                                            Your old pop-culture jokes always make me laugh…

                                            And then I remember how old we are getting.

                                            And then I laugh some more.

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                                            • bean-aid
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Jun 2011
                                              • 16493

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by lakerslive
                                              actually, im paying this guy good on what he is asking for, I tipped him and gave extra money and letting him dictate the hours. So totally different from most of your options
                                              Ugghh... freelancer.com then. And to boot all the good freelancers on there won't do adult

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                                              • Webster01
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2013
                                                • 378

                                                #24
                                                https://clutch.co/web-developers

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                                                • plsureking
                                                  bored
                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                  • 4904

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Webster01
                                                  if you plan to offshore, you better know more than them.



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                                                  • blackmonsters
                                                    Making PHP work
                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                    • 20964

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                    but you can't say you didn't get paid!
                                                    Quoted for truth!


                                                    Every time too.

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                                                    • Webster01
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Apr 2013
                                                      • 378

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by plsureking
                                                      if you plan to offshore, you better know more than them.



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                                                      Yeah, but since you don´t respond in Skype, I had to look for alternatives, Pimp...



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                                                      • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                        Grrrrrrrrr
                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                        • 4986

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                        Quoted for truth!


                                                        Every time too.

                                                        Sometimes you're soft.

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                                                        • The Porn Nerd
                                                          Living The Dream
                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                          • 19787

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                          Sometimes you're soft.
                                                          This is not good coming from a chick.

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                                                          • _Richard_
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                            • 30991

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by plsureking
                                                            if you plan to offshore, you better know more than them.



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                                                            so true

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                                                            • Klen
                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                              • 32235

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by gar
                                                              How do you know it's a smallest changes if you don't know code?

                                                              Changing one line of code doesn't mean it's small.
                                                              Yep, and it's not about "just changing one line of code" but knowing which line exactly need to be changed. Otherwise they are welcome to try by themself

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                                                              • plsureking
                                                                bored
                                                                • Aug 2003
                                                                • 4904

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Webster01
                                                                Yeah, but since you don´t respond in Skype, I had to look for alternatives, Pimp...



                                                                i am heartbroken

                                                                skype is for suckers and scammers. i rarely have skype open. if that is your preferred business communication tool, i didn't miss anything.



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                                                                • Klen
                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                  • 32235

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                  i am heartbroken

                                                                  skype is for suckers and scammers. i rarely have skype open. if that is your preferred business communication tool, i didn't miss anything.



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                                                                  Suck to be you i guess

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                                                                  • Webster01
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Apr 2013
                                                                    • 378

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                    i rarely have skype open. if that is your preferred business communication tool, i didn't miss anything.
                                                                    xD

                                                                    I noticed that, since I never got a reply.
                                                                    Then remove your Skype contact from your website if you don´t respond, you weasel......

                                                                    Nevermind

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                                                                    • plsureking
                                                                      bored
                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                      • 4904

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Webster01
                                                                      xD

                                                                      I noticed that, since I never got a reply.
                                                                      Then remove your Skype contact from your website if you don´t respond, you weasel......

                                                                      Nevermind
                                                                      maybe i don't want to work with you

                                                                      if i am a "weasel" for not answering skype, then i avoided a headache.

                                                                      take your crazy offshore

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                                                                      • Webster01
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Apr 2013
                                                                        • 378

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                        maybe i don't want to work with you

                                                                        if i am a "weasel" for not answering skype, then i avoided a headache.
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                                                                        Then just say it... So unfriendly...

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                                                                        • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                          Grrrrrrrrr
                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 4986

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by plsureking

                                                                          skype is for suckers and scammers. i rarely have skype open. if that is your preferred business communication tool, i didn't miss anything.
                                                                          What is your preferred business communication tool?

                                                                          Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                          maybe i don't want to work with you
                                                                          I think it's better to say that upfront rather than just not answering.

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                                                                          • The Porn Nerd
                                                                            Living The Dream
                                                                            • Jun 2009
                                                                            • 19787

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                            maybe i don't want to work with you

                                                                            if i am a "weasel" for not answering skype, then i avoided a headache.

                                                                            take your crazy offshore

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                                                                            Switch the Skype link to an OnlyFans link and be done with it. LOL
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                                                                            • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 4986

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                              This is not good coming from a chick.

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                                                                              I have a vibrator and men have mouths...fuck a limp dick. I'm still gonna get mine. You better get yours! =)

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                                                                              • plsureking
                                                                                bored
                                                                                • Aug 2003
                                                                                • 4904

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                Switch the Skype link to an OnlyFans link and be done with it. LOL


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                                                                                • plsureking
                                                                                  bored
                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                  • 4904

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                  What is your preferred business communication tool?

                                                                                  I think it's better to say that upfront rather than just not answering.
                                                                                  email is the business standard and good enough for me. 100% of my clients email me.

                                                                                  i get on skype when someone needs to live chat - which is rare in adult. its popular in the mainstream world because no one wants a 'paper' trail and a lot of people out in mainstream are scamming. i want everything written down in email.

                                                                                  my contact form - which is right next to my skype id - works fine but was ignored. how can i work with someone like that?

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                                                                                  • plsureking
                                                                                    bored
                                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                                    • 4904

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Webster01


                                                                                    Then just say it... So unfriendly...
                                                                                    dude you skyped me at 544am this morning (6 hours ago).

                                                                                    you are butthurt cuz you didn't get a reply yet?

                                                                                    yea u are fucking toxic

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                                                                                    (yea i dunno wtf she is saying either )

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                                                                                    • Webster01
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Apr 2013
                                                                                      • 378

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Last time I was in skype was on Monday, so whoever contacted you, it wasn´t me ;)

                                                                                      I never have been toxic....

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                                                                                      • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                        Living The Dream
                                                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                                                        • 19787

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                        I have a vibrator and men have mouths...fuck a limp dick. I'm still gonna get mine. You better get yours! =)
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                                                                                        • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                          Grrrrrrrrr
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 4986

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by plsureking

                                                                                          my contact form - which is right next to my skype id - works fine but was ignored. how can i work with someone like that?

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                                                                                          That actually made me laugh. Dear, why not just remove the skype ID and then only give it to people via email if they need to live chat.

                                                                                          I'd probably pick the quicker communication as well if given the option. At least what you THINK would be quicker.

                                                                                          I prefer phones and unfortunately, a lot of people working over the net ie programmers, designers etc usually don't.

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                                                                                          • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                            Grrrrrrrrr
                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                            • 4986

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Webster01
                                                                                            Last time I was in skype was on Monday, so whoever contacted you, it wasn´t me ;)

                                                                                            I never have been toxic....
                                                                                            Maybe this is a case of mistaken skype identity.

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                                                                                            • sarettah
                                                                                              see you later, I'm gone
                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                              • 14297

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                              I prefer phones and unfortunately, a lot of people working over the net ie programmers, designers etc usually don't.
                                                                                              The problem with doing it by phone is that then the Developer has to turn around and write up a summary of the call to keep track of what was discussed.

                                                                                              By all rights, they should then send that back to the client to get confirmation as to what all was agreed upon.

                                                                                              And this goes back and forth like that until both are in agreement.

                                                                                              If the client can take the time to write an email explaining what they want that saves some time on the front end.

                                                                                              Plus, doing calls with you lead to something other than a well defined project. There may be some satisfaction but there is no project definition in the end ;p

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                                                                                              • fuzebox
                                                                                                making it rain
                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                • 22351

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by sarettah
                                                                                                The problem with doing it by phone is that then the Developer has to turn around and write up a summary of the call to keep track of what was discussed.

                                                                                                By all rights, they should then send that back to the client to get confirmation as to what all was agreed upon.

                                                                                                And this goes back and forth like that until both are in agreement.

                                                                                                If the client can take the time to write an email explaining what they want that saves some time on the front end.

                                                                                                Plus, doing calls with you lead to something other than a well defined project. There may be some satisfaction but there is no project definition in the end ;p


                                                                                                A phone call is 100% the worst way to discuss a project with a developer.

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                                                                                                • Webster01
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Apr 2013
                                                                                                  • 378

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                                  Maybe this is a case of mistaken skype identity.
                                                                                                  Yes, for sure, I added him to Skype and sent a message in January to request rates.....
                                                                                                  Over a half year ago.
                                                                                                  Asking if he´s available and explained a little bit.
                                                                                                  Just as initial contact.

                                                                                                  I found someone else a while later....

                                                                                                  And of course, a real task list with all info I always send via mail,
                                                                                                  so the developer has a real overview of every detail what needs to be done.

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                                                                                                  • Klen
                                                                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                                                                    • 32235

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Well, in plsureking defense, skype do have tendency to be unreliable and not passing messages, which is one of more reason why skype sucks . And another thing, even if other party do receive message, he can be simply overwhelmed and skype does not really solve good when you are bombarded with messages.

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