Webmasters who commit fraud.

[EscortBiz]

50 Rounds

[Paul Markham]

NAME AND SHAME THE GUY.

NOW YOU CAUGHT HIM HE WILL MOVE ONTO SOMEONE ELSE.

[Why]

Originally posted by KRL


Great Pic! If anyone's ever shot one of these babies, and heard the sound it makes when you fire off a round, you'd not want to be on the receiving end of things.

sounds similar to the sound almost all guns make, i can think of about 5 guns off hand id face the ar to avoid

[AaronM]

Originally posted by playa



brugh i am not gonna try to find that long ass thread but i will summerize what YOU said.

It was another FAKE contest ran by me to get another XBOX.


its not even serious to me hense the Smile i put on my post, i was trying to be funny, now your taking really offense to it,

Now your saying its was a REAL contest?

but i'll let it slide and apology since i could understand why your pissed right now,

btw i answer all my ICQ's when i get them at least

Of course it was a real fucking contest.

How fucking stupid are you? I remember the thread in question...It was a joke. Now claim your god damn prizes and shut the fuck up.

[boneprone]

I once put catshit in an almond rocca can and gave it to my teacher as a gift.

[easyfun]

Out the fucker before he screws others

[AaronM]

Originally posted by easyfun
Out the fucker before he screws others

I am not going to out anybody. We have a privacy policy that we need to stick to. If I violate that then the fucker can actually sue us.

How ironic.

[easyfun]

I caught one on my programme a few weeks back -
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=138516

He was trying it on with several programmes -

[Triple 6]

yea watch out, aaron can put the hurt down. --- look at em frag up that algae.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by Triple 6
yea watch out, aaron can put the hurt down. --- look at em frag up that algae.

You were saying something?

[baddog]

Originally posted by AaronM


You were saying something?

can't you almost hear the crikets chirping?

[Triple 6]

Originally posted by AaronM


You were saying something?

lol. put the pic back up. No need to be embarrassed

[prostock]

AaronM

as much as i want to tell you go fucking deal with it i cant ,
any one cheating needs to be dealed with
but lets face it drop the oh i am a bad ass and have a gun ,
people like you not learn , that shit not worry most , you need to go where it counts and that is there check book, they cheated yall of cash so now go after there cash and nail there ass for it ,

ya that smart , go around and say this and that with a gun and you will see the end one that is fucked and trust me it wil not be him , it wil be you

again sad to see fucks doing this but again part of the game we all have to live with , it is just a sad part !

[DJRCyberAVS]

Originally posted by AaronM


I am not going to out anybody. We have a privacy policy that we need to stick to. If I violate that then the fucker can actually sue us.

How ironic.

Aaron, do you not have something in your small print of your terms and conditions where the privacy policy is revoked if fraud has occured?

[AaronM]

Originally posted by prostock
AaronM

as much as i want to tell you go fucking deal with it i cant ,
any one cheating needs to be dealed with
but lets face it drop the oh i am a bad ass and have a gun ,
people like you not learn , that shit not worry most , you need to go where it counts and that is there check book, they cheated yall of cash so now go after there cash and nail there ass for it ,

ya that smart , go around and say this and that with a gun and you will see the end one that is fucked and trust me it wil not be him , it wil be you

again sad to see fucks doing this but again part of the game we all have to live with , it is just a sad part !

Look man. I posted pics of me shooting in another thread. I never implied that I was gonna shoot people who commit fraud. Others re-posted those pics here. I have nothing to prove to you or anybody else.

Pull your head out of your ass and see the entire picture.

[Rui]

Aaron what are the chances you and Tam pay me a plane ticket so i can go to Internext ? (I promise i will will wear a shirt advertising pibcash ;) ) ?

plss

[SCJason]

Originally posted by boneprone
I once put catshit in an almond rocca can and gave it to my teacher as a gift.

I used to really like almond rocas too.........Thanks !

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


Oh no way Aaron. Everybody on this board says that webmasters aren't cheaters.

'
Yea no shit in my poll most think its cross sales and deceptive marketing. LMAO
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=152555


Most of our chargebacks are do to stolen cards and fraudulant webmasters. soon we will have a place to report them and we will weed them out one by one.

[Pornkings]

I'm going to give you guys an example of what is being done out there and its very hard to catch the fraudulant webmasters unless you watch your stats closely.
I don't want to reveal how we catch them here but programs need to have a meeting and work together to put a stop to it.
maybe make a board where we can all post the cheaters and then each sponsor can check and monitor that acount if they are in there system.

from what I here thru the grape vine is these guys put up fake pay sites. the surfer goes and tries to join, they put all ther info in and when its done they are not excepted because there card was bad etc.

then they have all the info with the CC and then they run it thru everyones system. so the surfer gets the bill and charges back.

these guys can run one card thru 10 programs and make like $300 of each one. we credit them and payout and don't realize it till the next month when all there cards start chargeing back

by the time you catch them they have a new front and go thru another 10 programs. etc.
just imagine how many programs are out there and how many surfers they can scam. we need to put an end to it and work together.

and normally they don't just have one acount with you they have multiple acounts and only get like 1-4 sales thru each one daily.
so its hard to catch they don't hit you with all at once under one acount. etc

[Cassie]

Originally posted by Pornkings
I'm going to give you guys an example of what is being done out there and its very hard to catch the fraudulant webmasters unless you watch your stats closely.
I don't want to reveal how we catch them here but programs need to have a meeting and work together to put a stop to it.
maybe make a board where we can all post the cheaters and then each sponsor can check and monitor that acount if they are in there system.

from what I here thru the grape vine is these guys put up fake pay sites. the surfer goes and tries to join, they put all ther info in and when its done they are not excepted because there card was bad etc.

then they have all the info with the CC and then they run it thru everyones system. so the surfer gets the bill and charges back.

these guys can run one card thru 10 programs and make like $300 of each one. we credit them and payout and don't realize it till the next month when all there cards start chargeing back

by the time you catch them they have a new front and go thru another 10 programs. etc.
just imagine how many programs are out there and how many surfers they can scam. we need to put an end to it and work together.

and normally they don't just have one acount with you they have multiple acounts and only get like 1-4 sales thru each one daily.
so its hard to catch they don't hit you with all at once under one acount. etc

what do you propose can be done to rectify this matter?

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Cassie


what do you propose can be done to rectify this matter?

communication between programs.

also if people know or hear of someone doing it, it needs to be posted on the board.

watch sites out there if something looks fishy it probably is.

kinda hard to catch them before they hit your system up because we would have to join sites to see which ones are fake fronts.

the best thing for us to do is stick together and communicate more to put a stop to it. every program has there own way of flaging fraudulant acounts. now we need to help each other.

some programs might not have the advanced stats to do this but at least we can do the work for some and help eachother. using a board or something for programs.
and there are many types of programs out there not just PPS
if there is a program there is webmasters who have figured out a way to scam it. like anything else

[johnny5]

dont automatically activate webmasters. go through them personally for activation. dont allow multiple accounts.

shit you could even pay us a bit more per signup, but hit us with chargebacks and take the money back. then those "decieving' webmasters will have to change their practices.... let alone that the cheaters will have to just plain stop.

[johnny5]

you need to also put something in your terms that the privacy policy is void to all cheaters, then programs can mail each other cheaters names, then the new programs can let them join at their own discretion.

[Cassie]

Originally posted by Pornkings


communication between programs.

also if people know or hear of someone doing it, it needs to be posted on the board.

watch sites out there if something looks fishy it probably is.

kinda hard to catch them before they hit your system up because we would have to join sites to see which ones are fake fronts.

the best thing for us to do is stick together and communicate more to put a stop to it. every program has there own way of flaging fraudulant acounts. now we need to help each other.

some programs might not have the advanced stats to do this but at least we can do the work for some and help eachother. using a board or something for programs.
and there are many types of programs out there not just PPS
if there is a program there is webmasters who have figured out a way to scam it. like anything else

that's not a bad idea however, other webmasters may not want to make available that their site is an easy target for fraud. by posting that information, even on a board for other webmasters to read, may give accessible information to a regular surfer or others who make a living at fraud.

a few years ago i use to post a dead beat page on a couple of paysites i have. the posted would be the persons name, what they used to sign up with (not an account number or anything like that; just cc or ck) and city and state. once this page was up, the fraud lightened up substantially and to this day, i get people calling wanting to pay off their debt. i actually got the idea from one of the bigger affiliate sites and a phone sex site that handeled massive fraud transactions.

like i said it's not a bad idea, however giving that info to other, unethical webmasters and possible surfers may turn a good idea bad. you're on the right track with that idea...it just needs to be tuned in a way that will protect us honest webmasters.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by johnny5
dont automatically activate webmasters. go through them personally for activation. dont allow multiple accounts.

shit you could even pay us a bit more per signup, but hit us with chargebacks and take the money back. then those "decieving' webmasters will have to change their practices.... let alone that the cheaters will have to just plain stop.

Sounds good but you run into many other problems by not activating everyone. they give you a domain to go buy so its hard to see who is scamming up front.

the chargebacks normally don't happen till a month or 2 later.
by then they have already made there money and moved on to the next program. then they hit you up at a later date under another name.

most of the time when someone is cheating us the number and email are bogus but its hard to catch till you flag them.

we can call the number first but that would be many many phone calls etc.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Cassie


that's not a bad idea however, other webmasters may not want to make available that their site is an easy target for fraud. by posting that information, even on a board for other webmasters to read, may give accessible information to a regular surfer or others who make a living at fraud.

a few years ago i use to post a dead beat page on a couple of paysites i have. the posted would be the persons name, what they used to sign up with (not an account number or anything like that; just cc or ck) and city and state. once this page was up, the fraud lightened up substantially and to this day, i get people calling wanting to pay off their debt. i actually got the idea from one of the bigger affiliate sites and a phone sex site that handeled massive fraud transactions.

like i said it's not a bad idea, however giving that info to other, unethical webmasters and possible surfers may turn a good idea bad. you're on the right track with that idea...it just needs to be tuned in a way that will protect us honest webmasters.

I totally agree we touched on it in the epoch meeting and I'm sure we will figure out a way to do it. without affecting the good guys.

it would just be a place to give other programs a heads up. it would be up to them wether to shut them off or not.
at least this would give us a head start on flaging a fraudulant webmaster to monitor there acount.

our stats and our acountants do a great job on flaging these webmasters maybe thats why we are way under 1% who knows but we all need to work together

[Cassie]

Originally posted by Pornkings


I totally agree we touched on it in the epoch meeting and I'm sure we will figure out a way to do it. without affecting the good guys.

it would just be a place to give other programs a heads up. it would be up to them wether to shut them off or not.
at least this would give us a head start on flaging a fraudulant webmaster to monitor there acount.

our stats and our acountants do a great job on flaging these webmasters maybe thats why we are way under 1% who knows but we all need to work together

working together i totally agree on. however, it's knowing who you can trust in this biz that will make it tough and even those you can trust can turn on you faster then a rabid dog.

think of the sheer privacy a surfer would have!

im not sure if anyone touched this idea, but coming up with an adult credit card would be the ultimate way to go. im pretty sure banks wont touch this idea but it would severely decrease fraud and cb's for the only reason the card would be used is to purchase porn and from a basic accounting standard, im sure it would be easier to see where your major source of earnings is derived (for cc companies). again, that is just an idea i am sure no one will back.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Cassie


working together i totally agree on. however, it's knowing who you can trust in this biz that will make it tough and even those you can trust can turn on you faster then a rabid dog.

im not sure if anyone touched this idea, but coming up with an adult credit card would be the ultimate way to go. im pretty sure banks wont touch this idea but it would severely decrease fraud and cb's for the only reason the card would be used is to purchase porn and from a basic accounting standard, im sure it would be easier to see where your major source of earnings is derived (for cc companies). again, that is just an idea i am sure no one will back.

that idea has been done kinda with pre-paid cards the problem is getting those cards to surfers.

its all an impluse buy like most things and the reason it works is because everyone has a visa or mastercard in ther pocket.

not to many people are going to get an adult card

[johnny5]

i think i may have thought of a way to red flag alot of accounts for fraud but im afraid to say it in here cuz then the frauders will see lol...

[angeleyes]

Aaron, Icq me when you get a minute.

[easyfun]

I do not know if this was Pornkings described was done on my programme - But for certain, this webmaster had ALL the details needed to create several sales -

I caught him very quickly - I was suspicious at first because the site the traffic was coming from had no visible means of it's own traffic - So I went through all log files and checked each sign up time against log activity.

Came up with a bookmark direct to the sign up page everytime.

This thief was doing the same to about 20 other sites the same time -

[DJRCyberAVS]

Originally posted by easyfun

I caught him very quickly - I was suspicious at first because the site the traffic was coming from had no visible means of it's own traffic - So I went through all log files and checked each sign up time against log activity.

Sounds familar..... wasn't from Lithuania was he? The big one which I remember was also pretty easy to spot , and he wanted his cash wired to him straight away after signing up... hmm, I think not.

[easyfun]

Not that I know of - This guy had a usa address - Probably just for collecting cash!

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by easyfun
Not that I know of - This guy had a usa address - Probably just for collecting cash!

alot of the fraudualnt acounts I've noticed lately are address's from
philadelphia,Vancouver,Montreal and Po boxes from NY.

Just an FYI

[johnny5]

do these cheaters buy multiple memberships every single day?

[boneprone]

Originally posted by prostock
AaronM

as much as i want to tell you go fucking deal with it i cant ,
any one cheating needs to be dealed with
but lets face it drop the oh i am a bad ass and have a gun ,
people like you not learn , that shit not worry most , you need to go where it counts and that is there check book, they cheated yall of cash so now go after there cash and nail there ass for it ,

ya that smart , go around and say this and that with a gun and you will see the end one that is fucked and trust me it wil not be him , it wil be you

again sad to see fucks doing this but again part of the game we all have to live with , it is just a sad part !

I must be drunk.
Im having a hard time understanding your writing flow.
Maybe you need some commas or somethin.

I have a headache now.

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by johnny5
do these cheaters buy multiple memberships every single day?

yes but they use stolen cards or cards pulled off fake paysites. etc.

so you need to know what to look for in your stats to catch them.

the chargeback come in later by that time they have already been paid out or moved on.

best thing to do is if you suspect an acount or webmaster is fraudulant hold there check to see what there chargebacks are and or shut them off. its up to each program to determine what to do.

If we worked together we would be able to control it much better and put a stop to it.

because it affects us all in the long run

[Hustlin Entertainment]

Originally posted by boneprone
Watch your back jack its the BP4L family you are messin with.



<img src="http://ampcontent.com/Pics/Shooting3.jpg">

Like Ive told oh so many before, I dont care if you cheat or if you're a cheater, but if you cheat me thats another thing. Thats when you take this cheating into the realm of gambling. And I love to gamble.

Especially when its your life im gambling with.

Knowing Aaron, this cheater he's talking about just walked into the wrong group of people and he's gunna find out the hard way.

i got bigger guns

[DirtyJack]

Hey Roger ...

Timbo & I were discussing the idea of a shared fraud database some more.. I see there were some concerns with it being mis-used & whatnot but I have some ideas that ought to limit that.

We've been hit with our share of frauder's as well and would love to help eliminate the problem. I've done all the programming for APM & we're up for setting something up for all sponsors to use, perhaps we should discuss it further in private.

hit me up
jeff at adultpaymaster dot com

[chass]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx
Send him a nice card