epoch

[afrocreep]

whats thoughts on epoch/paycom or whatever the fuck .. i'm considering signing up.. do they have setup or monthly fees? i'm probably gonna go with globill but i wanna find out about epoch first.

i'm still setting up my site but i wanna setup billing and membership. plan on lauching soon

[nobull]

Pay the 750 visa fee and go with them...if you do not have the extra cash then just save it up and launch your site the right way

[afrocreep]

fuk'n $750.. i could use that to buy more content (which i need to do) and upgrade my hosting.

DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEe..


do i eventually get that $750 back? i added some epoch chick to my icq but she's not online.. blah. as if i wanna call them.

[Hooper]

this is the barrier to entry that i was talking about.

needs to me more like 20k instead of 750, that way dingleberries like this guy wouldnt have to think.

[drops]

Originally posted by Hooper
this is the barrier to entry that i was talking about.

needs to me more like 20k instead of 750, that way dingleberries like this guy wouldnt have to think.

[afrocreep]

[nobull]

Originally posted by Hooper
this is the barrier to entry that i was talking about.

needs to me more like 20k instead of 750, that way dingleberries like this guy wouldnt have to think.

do you really think that someone that launches a site having a problem with the 750 visa fee is even really going to "enter" this biz?

[BlackCrayon]

Originally posted by Hooper
this is the barrier to entry that i was talking about.

needs to me more like 20k instead of 750, that way dingleberries like this guy wouldnt have to think.

heh, 20K is a bit much, have you all forgotten what it was like to start out? but yeah 750 isn't shit...

[afrocreep]

well no matter what i'm getting in one way or another, but from a business perspective i aim to keep my startup costs minimal. I feel i've done a rather good job at that so far. Dishing out money i don't have to doesn't necessary help anything but the person's pockets your filling. I have no problem paying the $750 if that is what i absolutly have to do, but doing it without justifying it first isn't a wise move. I have no intentions of eating out a mcdonalds dumpster anytime soon because i made stupid choices.

[drops]

Epoch will be one of the smartest moves you'll ever make..

[nobull]

Originally posted by afrocreep
well no matter what i'm getting in one way or another, but from a business perspective i aim to keep my startup costs minimal. I feel i've done a rather good job at that so far. Dishing out money i don't have to doesn't necessary help anything but the person's pockets your filling. I have no problem paying the $750 if that is what i absolutly have to do, but doing it without justifying it first isn't a wise move. I have no intentions of eating out a mcdonalds dumpster anytime soon because i made stupid choices.

thats great...but your response to my telling you that they charge 750 was way out of line. do this, surf around a little and look at the sites *making* money, they are all processing with epoch, jettis, acpay or ccbill. i just spent over 5000 on our processing, thats getting signed up with all of them, the cascading software and the server just to run the thing. If your going to have a shot at maing money your are going to have to spend alot. I think that even 20k is a low number to start a solid program with a few sites...just look around at all the sites that come and go. If your worried about tossing your money away maybe you should have done a little more research before you even started your site.

[GoGoBar]

If spending 750 is a big deal and you MUST get a paysite going, then spend it only once and spend it right. Spend it at ccbill.

[afrocreep]

Originally posted by nobull


thats great...but your response to my telling you that they charge 750 was way out of line. do this, surf around a little and look at the sites *making* money, they are all processing with epoch, jettis, acpay or ccbill. i just spent over 5000 on our processing, thats getting signed up with all of them, the cascading software and the server just to run the thing. If your going to have a shot at maing money your are going to have to spend alot. I think that even 20k is a low number to start a solid program with a few sites...just look around at all the sites that come and go. If your worried about tossing your money away maybe you should have done a little more research before you even started your site.

why didn't you post that the first time.. See i had to write all that shit just to FINALLY get that crap.

And i have done a little research of my own, why do you think the title of the thread is epoch and not ccbill or ibill? I am gathering others thoughts on this subject and also have read about epoch with mastercard legal issues something like 1.5 million bones or something, however i have seen many leading sites continueing to use them.

[Kel]

Look into Jettis.

Great technical support, solid processing, & the ability to cross-sell.

My experiences have been nothing short of great with them.

Good luck.

-Kel

[afrocreep]

ya i ran around in circles with jettis.. i am guessing they don't let you signup on their website cuz i couldn't find that part just keep going to information on crap i'd already seen

[ZoiNk]

You are in Canada, as a canadian person/company, your main option is glo-bill.... I personally wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket, just have a bad feeling about them. I see them going the way of websitebilling. Have you talked to CCRA reguarding having to charge GST to members and remit that to the government? Incorperating in other countries to process with companies other then glo-bill? Lots to research there... and in the end you will be pulling your hair out.
ZoiNk

[Snake Doctor]

Post a link to this paysite of yours, I'll bookmark it and come back to take it off your hands in 2 months when you're selling it.

[Digipimp]

Save your money and make your site paysite quality if that's what you like and then throw it up on every major AVS under their platinum or premium programs and leave your mainpage IE your domain name an open page. Build up a bit and save some cash and expirement with things and then when you are ready throw the site on the main page and grab yourself a billing company and take off.

[ozzymandius]

If you're Canadian, go with Glo-Bill.

If you are not Canadian, go with Glo-Bill.

Everyone has an opinion and I respect them. But imho, it's kind of a farce that Epoch, iBill, Jettis are the ones that have been fined by Mastercard and are struggling just to keep their merchant accounts, and people think they are safer there. Those are more like the companies that are following in the footsteps of websitebilling who incidentally also got fined (by Visa).

Still, I would not put all my eggs in one basket and would use Verotel or Probilling as backup since you are Canadian. If you were not a Canuck then CCBill would be a good back up as they have not been fined yet, as far as I know. They seem to run a tight ship so far.

[afrocreep]

well as for taxes, what i learnerd from another business i have, is that i don't really need to charge/collect GSt unless i plan on making more than $30K, which for this year i do not, secondly i can only charge GST on other canadians which would be a good practice, but i think the best way to do that without scaring away customers is incur the cost of the GST since i don't think i'll have as many canadian members as i will americans and since its in american dollars hopefully even though the exchange rate sucks i will still gain from that.

is there a reason why i need to use globill because i am in canada? will the others not mail cheques to canada?

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Hooper
this is the barrier to entry that i was talking about.

needs to me more like 20k instead of 750, that way dingleberries like this guy wouldnt have to think.

The barriers to staying in just keeps climbing too. Seems like there is more shit every day.

As usual the resellers and the small guys will end up taking one in the ass for it.

[ozzymandius]

Originally posted by afrocreep

is there a reason why i need to use globill because i am in canada? will the others not mail cheques to canada?

The others are under Visa USA which does not allow processors to acquire websites outside the USA. Globill, probiling, Verotel are in europe or other Visa regions.

[afrocreep]

thanks for the info everyone. guess i'm stuck with glo-bill for now. a few people have highly recommended them and they look alright so i should be fine for now with them.

[XYCash]

Originally posted by afrocreep
thanks for the info everyone. guess i'm stuck with glo-bill for now. a few people have highly recommended them and they look alright so i should be fine for now with them.

There's rumours that the shit is gonna hit the fan there soon. You might want to try to get a back up processor.