Business Conversion Rates Poll

[INever]

Back when dinoaurs roamed free, people would brag about their conversion rates. Then complain about them.

What are your current conversion rates?

I put in a poll to make it anonymous.

Poll option disappears with edit so here it is in this thread.

[Paul Markham]

With so much free porn conversions are bound to be dire.

[JamesDrews]

With so much free porn conversions are bound to be dire.

Not true.

I still have SWEET ratios with paysites

[XMaster]

Back when dinoaurs roamed free, people would brag about their conversion rates. Then complain about them.

What are your current conversion rates?

I put in a poll to make it anonymous.

Poll option disappears with edit so here it is in this thread.

We definitely need more lambo threads.

[Paul Markham]

Not true.

I still have SWEET ratios with paysites

Are they as good as they were in 2007 and are you getting the same amount of traffic?

[INever]

I used to convert off Craigslist personals ads. Those days are gone. Customer is smarter and also dumber. How can that be?

When I started I could only get (gallery) traffic by doing 12 and 16 pic galleries when I would have been happy showing just 3 preview pics. This industry killed itself by flooding the market with free, way before tubes ever came out.

[The Porn Nerd]

A GOOD paysite can still convert at 1:200 or better. A so-so paysite can still convert at around 1:1000. A shitty paysite worse than 1:3000.

[fuzebox]

Conversion ratios are absolutely meaningless to anyone other than yourself on consistent methods.

[PR_Glen]

Are they as good as they were in 2007 and are you getting the same amount of traffic?

You are asking the wrong questions. Is he making money? We both know he is and he is not alone.

also 'conversion rates' is kind of a baseless term these days anyway. some sites convert with your traffic, some don't. Some can push the same site with as much traffic and can't convert it at all. given the amount of traffic sources and variations these days and the amount of sites getting an overall conversion ratio would be like someone asking you whats it like outside? and responding with the avg temperature on earth as your answer.

In general the people who focus and filter their traffic the best convert extremely well compared to someone who doesn't. If your overhead costs and time is substantially less than what you are making over an extended period of time? you are heading in the right direction. If not? you need to retool your strategy.

[The Porn Nerd]

You are asking the wrong questions. Is he making money? We both know he is and he is not alone.

also 'conversion rates' is kind of a baseless term these days anyway. some sites convert with your traffic, some don't. Some can push the same site with as much traffic and can't convert it at all. given the amount of traffic sources and variations these days and the amount of sites getting an overall conversion ratio would be like someone asking you whats it like outside? and responding with the avg temperature on earth as your answer.

In general the people who focus and filter their traffic the best convert extremely well compared to someone who doesn't. If your overhead costs and time is substantially less than what you are making over an extended period of time? you are heading in the right direction. If not? you need to retool your strategy.

The BEST question to ask! Are you making money (profit)?

Comparing how much profit/conversion rates compared with ten years ago is a pointless exercise. Most paysite owners today haven't been in business 10 years (it's 9 for me).

All I know is I make more PROFIT every year I am in business so that's all I really care about.

[Paul&John]

... would be like someone asking you whats it like outside? and responding with the avg temperature on earth as your answer.

[Paul Markham]

A GOOD paysite can still convert at 1:200 or better. A so-so paysite can still convert at around 1:1000. A shitty paysite worse than 1:3000.

But does a good paysite get as much traffic as it did prior to tubes?

[Paul Markham]

You are asking the wrong questions. Is he making money? We both know he is and he is not alone.

also 'conversion rates' is kind of a baseless term these days anyway. some sites convert with your traffic, some don't. Some can push the same site with as much traffic and can't convert it at all. given the amount of traffic sources and variations these days and the amount of sites getting an overall conversion ratio would be like someone asking you whats it like outside? and responding with the avg temperature on earth as your answer.

In general the people who focus and filter their traffic the best convert extremely well compared to someone who doesn't. If your overhead costs and time is substantially less than what you are making over an extended period of time? you are heading in the right direction. If not? you need to retool your strategy.

The only question is, are they making more money prior to the deluge of free porn?

People who focus and filter traffic to get the best traffic. Are reducing the amount of traffic they get.

Everyone agrees that Tubes devastated the industry. But they were just an extension of TGPs. This industry closed its eyes to the hard facts the more free porn they gave away the worse conversion rates became. Because new users were coming online faster than deteriorating conversions. Now those new users are gone and new users don't even have a credit card, so get into the habit of accessing porn for free. Which this industry continues to supply them.

[INever]

Just able to login now, on desktop, mobile broken...as Paul or his friends might say.
Bloody brilliant.

Anyway, thanks for participation so far.

Moar.

[pornguy]

Its not just the conversions that are important.

If you convert at 1:50 but get 38hits a day well then its not so great.

But if you convert at 1:145 and get 10k hits well that's a touch better.

[The Porn Nerd]

But does a good paysite get as much traffic as it did prior to tubes?

Well again, so what? In terms of "more traffic before" etc. Of course things were easier pre-tubes (or so I hear, having started in 2009 post-tubes).

We are talking NOW, 2018. If I compare my stats to a few years ago some traffic sources are higher, some lower, some change and have died, new ones spring up...it's very fluid.

I focus on the NOW and the FUTURE.

[Paul Markham]

Its not just the conversions that are important.

If you convert at 1:50 but get 38hits a day well then its not so great.

But if you convert at 1:145 and get 10k hits well that's a touch better.

Traffic is important. Today with so much good stuff given away for free traffic may be king. The problem today is getting it to your tours, then converting it.

[Paul Markham]

Well again, so what? In terms of "more traffic before" etc. Of course things were easier pre-tubes (or so I hear, having started in 2009 post-tubes).

We are talking NOW, 2018. If I compare my stats to a few years ago some traffic sources are higher, some lower, some change and have died, new ones spring up...it's very fluid.

I focus on the NOW and the FUTURE.

My gripe is that Tubes were inevitable the way this industry went about getting traffic. without any real thought of what it was costing people gave away far too much. If you are focussing on now and the future, figure out how you maintain traffic then conversions. The new users have been fed free porn for 4-5 years and unlikely to get a credit card out.

[INever]

Thanks for the results so far.

Maybe next time can ask 'what's your best source for converting traffic'....search results, social media, tubesite links, other links/banners, blogs, review sites, old school galleries, offline(?)....